idiotekniQues
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- Jan 4, 2007
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how bout if you think you think you deserve the right to have a gun, you have taken on the responsibility to make sure it stays in your posession?
or is that too much of an infringement on your rights?
considering yourr esponse, you seem to think it is, which makes you a big part of the problem, and yhou should never own a gun. time to deal with reality and find pro-gun people that think like you, and eliminate their ability to own them.
mrSHEiK124
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Yeah, and if the 15-year-old wasn't ILLEGALLY armed, the situation would've been averted entirely. By the way, I hate pulling the race card, but it says that the kid's cousin's name was Tameka. I don't know any white girls named Tameka. BTW, your cousin is dead because he pulled a weapon on the wrong fooking person, he should've thought twice before deciding to commit armed robbery. Assclown was already in trouble for other robberies, it really is beyond me how anyone could knowingly defend him now that he's dead.
exdeath
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- Jan 29, 2004
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Not much I can say that hasn't already been said.
I think if the police aren't going to guarantee protection of this mans life and property now, he should be allowed a belt fed machine gun to hold off the mobs that will be trying to get revenge by either burning his house down or killing him.
Nobody should ever be forced to retreat from their own home. Especially by stupid people. I have ZERO sympathy for st00pid people, and that includes myself from time to time.
I think if the police aren't going to guarantee protection of this mans life and property now, he should be allowed a belt fed machine gun to hold off the mobs that will be trying to get revenge by either burning his house down or killing him.
Nobody should ever be forced to retreat from their own home. Especially by stupid people. I have ZERO sympathy for st00pid people, and that includes myself from time to time.
Submitting this to DarwinAwards.com right now, maybe this kid can get honoured in this year's Stupid Criminals section. I wonder if I can send Damon a thank-you card care of the local precinct for taking one more waste of skin off this planet?
Sadly, as exdeath said, this guy is probably going to have to relocate to avoid harassment/injury/death.
- M4H
Sadly, as exdeath said, this guy is probably going to have to relocate to avoid harassment/injury/death.
- M4H
Why is it the commie-lefto geeks always sweep in defending the criminals in the gun debate rather than looking to do something constructive like enforce existing laws? In the case of your argument, it's somehow a gun-owner's fault if someone ILLEGALLY breaks into their home/vehicle and steals their property?
By your logic, if someone steals or borrows your car then proceeds to get drunk and kill a pedestrian we should throw you, the owner of the car, in jail with the person who stole/borrowed it and killed someone. Your "arrest the gun owner" idea reeks of the same level of idiocy.
kranky
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I don't see anything wrong with the family mourning the kid's death or putting up a memorial. Losing a family member is a traumatic thing.
What is completely indefensible is claiming the homeowner did anything wrong, or trying to excuse the dead teen's actions. What would impress me is if at the boy's funeral (which I'm sure will be jam-packed with his peers) someone would stand up and say how the boy's death was his own fault and anyone sitting there who thinks otherwise is deluded.
What is completely indefensible is claiming the homeowner did anything wrong, or trying to excuse the dead teen's actions. What would impress me is if at the boy's funeral (which I'm sure will be jam-packed with his peers) someone would stand up and say how the boy's death was his own fault and anyone sitting there who thinks otherwise is deluded.
:roll::: Places hand in "L" shape on forehead, laughs loudly ::
I'm a "commie-lefto geek" by your definition, and I say that the kid got what he deserved.
Why are you so stupid, and overgeneralizing, as to write that?
By the way, I'm not a lefty, I'm more of a separatist. But that won't stop ya, will it.
Whoozyerdaddy
Lifer
- Jun 27, 2005
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Dubbya Tee Eff...
The guy was unlucky enough to pull a gun on an armed citizen. That's what happens when you don't pick on helpless people, they fight back. How can anyone blame the death of this kid on the citizen? If the kid had just walked by the house he would still be alive.
He made his choice... Darwin won.
Question for the gun experts here - if you are concealed-carrying your gun and a robber pulls a gun on you, would you even have enough time to draw your own weapon and fire a shot without the robber shooting you first, assuming the robber's gun was loaded and he actually intended to use it?
Connoisseur
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- Sep 14, 2002
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My original argument of gun ownership (which Kelvrick provided statistics for, albeit a bit old and providing numbers that aren't overwhelmingly in my favor) was that a lot of these guns are stolen from registered owners. Considering that a lot of the people claim to buy guns to defend themselves, it becomes a vicious cycle. Gun supporters trumpet the cause of protection when so many shootings occur with stolen registered guns. Granted criminals can find guns if they look hard enough, but restricting or at least better tracking legal gun sales reduces the amount of weapons that can potentially be used to commit a crime.
Also, to be fair, my opinion is that the Constitution, while forward thinking in many aspects, was made for a different time; if you recall, it was drafted shortly after a major war where the country was young and still not well protected. Every civilian was given the 'right to bare arms" in case a local militia was needed to go to war against a foreign aggressor at a moment's notice. Something (like the right to bear arms) that doesn't affect the democratic process or our primary freedoms (speech, thought, press, protest, equality etc.) should be scrutinized and revised. I am thoroughly amazed "gun ownership" is a right when something much more necessary (such as an ability to own a vehicle for transportation) is considered a privilege.
Sorry about the rant.
::EDIT:: I also agree that gun owners should take partial responsibility for a weapon that was stolen from them an used to commit a crime. If you own something so dangerous as a gun, you better protect it damn well. It's not like stealing a knife or any other object that can "potentially" be used as a weapon. A gun is a tool specifically made for killing things. It's a huge responsibility for anyone to have; if they fail that responsibility, either purposely or inadvertently, they should be held accountable.
thecoolnessrune
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- Jun 8, 2005
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I think that's the main point. Most robbers use the gun as a scare tactic to get the victim to just give the goods up complacently. I don't think most of them even expect the dude to pull a gun on them and when they do, they are so dumbfounded that they don't even react till it's too late.
Kaido
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- Feb 14, 2004
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That's an interesting point of view. I hadn't thought about a robbery that way before. I see 3 problems here:
1. The kid tried to rob an innocent person
2. The kid had an illegal weapon
3. The kid pulled a gun during the robbery
I think one of the major problems in America is lack of responsibility. The kid was old enough to know what he was doing, old enough to acquire an illegal firearm, old enough to go looking for trouble - at night, and yet his friends and family are mad at the man the kid tried to victimize and seek punishment. I'm not clear on what their thinking is. I can understand being mad over his death, but if the story is in fact what is printed, then the man's actions were purely self-defense. They tried to rob him at gunpoint - at night - on his front porch. He fought back. It's a tragedy that the robber was killed, moreso that he was a young man in school, but I don't understand why her cousin would question why the police didn't "punish" the victim of the robbery. Exactly what punishment is she seeking? What exactly did he do wrong? Did he have an illegal weapon? Did he try to rob someone in their own home at night? He was probably relaxing on his porch and got jumped. This poor guy is going to catch a lot of flak from this, I feel bad for him.
Sometimes I wonder if the media just sits around and thinks of the most controversial approach to present news material, which in this case was angling it from the robber's supporters point of view. It has certainly created a great deal of debate.
Whoozyerdaddy
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