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15 Year Old Boy Stabbed To Death By Arab Migrant

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Captain Picard

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http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...e-was-protecting-young-girl-from-sex-assault/

Lithuanian boy living/attending school in Sweden gives Syrian migrant kid a "what for" for sexually harassing fellow female student in December.

Migrant boy (presumably) stews about it all the way until the first day of the next term, where he then stabs the Lithuanian kid in the back, piercing his heart.

Swedish media makes no attempt to contact family of the murdered boy, but trips over themselves in a rush to interview the father of the killer. Media also didn't bother to interview the girl who was the target of harassment.

Killer's father claims that the dead boy wasn't defending the girl, but simply bullying his son, goes on to say, “The school did nothing to help him and establish his honour. Instead, my son had to meet this 15 year old every day. It made him very upset”.

Establish his honour, huh? Clearly that justifies everything, Lithuanian boy had it coming. Such cultural enrichment!
 
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He said of the ‘refugees’ living in the town: “A Lithuanian girl was attacked a few months ago. They tried to rape her. The police did nothing then… last year the refugees attacked another Lithuanian, who was taking her puppy for a walk”.
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Oh you Middle Easterners. Keep this up and you'll go to the naughty corner.

Europe's going to hell, and the migrants are still harbored and protected.
 
Captain Picard said:
http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...e-was-protecting-young-girl-from-sex-assault/

Lithuanian boy living/attending school in Sweden gives Syrian migrant kid a "what for" for sexually harassing fellow female student in December.

Migrant boy (presumably) stews about it all the way until the first day of the next term, where he then stabs the Lithuanian kid in the back, piercing his heart.

Swedish media makes no attempt to contact family of the murdered boy, but trips over themselves in a rush to interview the father of the killer. Media also didn't bother to interview the girl who was the target of harassment.

Killer's father claims that the dead boy wasn't defending the girl, but simply bullying his son, goes on to say, “The school did nothing to help him and establish his honour. Instead, my son had to meet this 15 year old every day. It made him very upset”.

Establish his honour, huh? Clearly that justifies everything, Lithuanian boy had it coming. Such cultural enrichment!
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Guess we know Nebor's alt account now.
 
Big Cheese said:
Are you sure he wasn't just a bully who got what he deserved? Cause brietbart is a propaganda news source constantly looking for ways to incite racial hatred, they have a habit of selective bias and twisting truths and facts to satisfy their points of view.
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Its possible.

http://www.vocativ.com/news/270687/...hool-stabbing-is-anti-immigrant-rallying-cry/

The liberal news in this case seems a little less biased and more straightforward.

But no, a bully does not deserve murder.
If that were true we'd have to slaughter much of the world.
 
Big Cheese said:
Are you sure he wasn't just a bully who got what he deserved? Cause brietbart is a propaganda news source constantly looking for ways to incite racial hatred, they have a habit of selective bias and twisting truths and facts to satisfy their points of view.
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Why on earth didn't the media interview the father of the slain boy? Why didn't they talk to the girl to get her two cents?

On top of that, in civilized society, do bullies deserve to be stabbed to death? You can bet your ass if there were physical abuse of the Syrian kid, that would have been expounded upon endlessly, trumpeted to the hills, called from the mountaintops. Seems that other people from the school who had any comments said the victim (the Lithuanian boy, just in case that wasn't clear to you) was a pretty stand-up guy.
 
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Captain Picard said:
Why on earth didn't the media interview the father of the slain boy? Why didn't they talk to the girl to get her two cents?

On top of that, in civilized society, do bullies deserve to be stabbed to death? You can bet your ass if there were physical abuse of the Syrian kid, that would have been expounded upon endlessly, trumpeted to the hills, called from the mountaintops. Seems that other people from the school who had any comments said the victim (the Lithuanian boy, just in case that wasn't clear to you) was a pretty stand-up guy.
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Parents of bullies always claim their child was the sweetest little angel in the world.

And yes, if you stab all bullies to death then the world will be a much happier place for everyone.

And no, if a Syrian kid was abused nobody would give a shit. You seem to be buying into this whole anti-white liberal media conspiracy. Refugees are harassed and beaten by right wing thugs on a daily basis, you don't see it as a headline
 
Thread title should be:

15-year-old bully killed by victim

Somehow, though, I don't think this would successfully stir up the anti-immigrant hatred intended by Breitbart.
 
HamburgerBoy said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burr–Hamilton_duel
http://escholarship.org/uc/item/9xq9b2r6

Protecting one's honor was actually an import part of most civilized societies, arguably even a necessary step.
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I would say these two examples are of cultures lower on the civility scale than of most modern cultures.

I'm also not saying that modern culture is really all that civil to begin with - it's just higher than the examples.

My point is that in our modern day western culture there are usually always more civil alternatives to dispute/problem resolution.

I'm Chinese and the Japanese traditional ego-extension of parents onto their children and using guilt hits home, since it also happens in China, although not to such a degree AFAIK. It's completely *unnecessary* and shows a startlingly narrow worldview of anyone who holds such views.
 
A little lower, but it's hardly barbarism. Honor and shame are inextricable, and without the latter you just have a bunch of slightly more evolved monkeys running around, consuming and destroying without conscience. It's true that sexual shaming leading to the murder of children is bad, but even that has its roots in creating a stable society where both parents are expected to stay monogamous and raise their children to adulthood, which was a big step ahead of tribal societies where one man controlled his harem and never cared to improve his family beyond the borders of his land.

The reason you have spree killings at schools and workplaces is because there aren't always more civil alternatives. Maybe this particular kid was an ass, maybe he really did make an inappropriate move on someone's sister, but being forced into a society where you are unwanted isn't ever going to look pretty. Considering that we're talking about gossip-happy teens and a socialist Scandinavian country, I wouldn't be compelled to assume the stabber was definitely guilty of a moral crime.
 
HamburgerBoy said:
A little lower, but it's hardly barbarism. Honor and shame are inextricable, and without the latter you just have a bunch of slightly more evolved monkeys running around, consuming and destroying without conscience. It's true that sexual shaming leading to the murder of children is bad, but even that has its roots in creating a stable society where both parents are expected to stay monogamous and raise their children to adulthood, which was a big step ahead of tribal societies where one man controlled his harem and never cared to improve his family beyond the borders of his land.

The reason you have spree killings at schools and workplaces is because there aren't always more civil alternatives. Maybe this particular kid was an ass, maybe he really did make an inappropriate move on someone's sister, but being forced into a society where you are unwanted isn't ever going to look pretty. Considering that we're talking about gossip-happy teens and a socialist Scandinavian country, I wouldn't be compelled to assume the stabber was definitely guilty of a moral crime.
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There are sometimes no civil alternatives to killing sprees?

I just walk away and focus on other things. There's literally a whole planet earth out there. That's rationality talking, not shame. Now, when I was much younger and being bullied, I admit I had lots of violent thoughts. But if I examine myself at that time, I have to admit that, while the bullies "deserved it", my narrow world view was the main catalyst for those violent desires. It made me *feel* like I had no other civil alternatives, when in reality there were innumerable civil alternatives, had I just had more knowledge and perhaps creativity.

I didn't know what I didn't know.

If the same thing were to happen to me now, I'd just shrug and do other stuff and probably completely forget about the event in an hour.

I'm certainly no stranger to parents trying to use shame to control me. And yes, I sometimes do feel shamed. Doesn't mean I cave into it. If shame doesn't work, does that mean I'm a monkey? Certainly not. It means I can step back, examine the situation, and then decide using rationality whether the shame I feel is justified or not.
 
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When we're talking about hormonal teenage males required by law to inhabit an area filled with people hostile to them several hours a day five days a week, it's pretty reasonable for people to not see alternatives. Sure, a lot of people suck it up, others don't keep it bottled up and go through regular, cycles of suspension, some might just drop out and/or become drug addicts, but when there's active and violent bullying involved, I don't blame anyone for taking matters into their own hands.
 
HamburgerBoy said:
When we're talking about hormonal teenage males required by law to inhabit an area filled with people hostile to them several hours a day five days a week, it's pretty reasonable for people to not see alternatives. Sure, a lot of people suck it up, others don't keep it bottled up and go through regular, cycles of suspension, some might just drop out and/or become drug addicts, but when there's active and violent bullying involved, I don't blame anyone for taking matters into their own hands.
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Umm, thats called high school.
 
HamburgerBoy said:
When we're talking about hormonal teenage males required by law to inhabit an area filled with people hostile to them several hours a day five days a week, it's pretty reasonable for people to not see alternatives. Sure, a lot of people suck it up, others don't keep it bottled up and go through regular, cycles of suspension, some might just drop out and/or become drug addicts, but when there's active and violent bullying involved, I don't blame anyone for taking matters into their own hands.
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what the fuck...

D:

that's just insane.
 
HamburgerBoy said:
If someone were to assault you on the street and beat you, do you think it would be insane to kill the assaulter in self-defense? If not, then why is it any different in a high school?
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that's not what happened though is it. and really has nothing to do with the story.
 
waggy said:
that's not what happened though is it. and really has nothing to do with the story.
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We probably won't know exactly what happened in this case. It's relevant because the OP is coming from a viewpoint that a teen "defending his honor" is some kind of exclusively Islamic concept, when in reality kids fight over this stuff all the time, and occasionally kill each other when there's enough pressure/when one of them is unhinged enough.
 
HamburgerBoy said:
We probably won't know exactly what happened in this case. It's relevant because the OP is coming from a viewpoint that a teen "defending his honor" is some kind of exclusively Islamic concept, when in reality kids fight over this stuff all the time, and occasionally kill each other when there's enough pressure/when one of them is unhinged enough.
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This is true and I agree.

But I do not see an outpouring of sympathy for school shooters on these forums when they happen in the states. Typically those shooters have similar reasons to this knife attack.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting#School_bullying

Once humiliated, victims never want to be a victim again and try to regain their image by joining groups. Often, they are rejected by their peers and follow through by restoring justice in what they see as an unjust situation. Their plan for restoration many times results in violence as shown by the school shooters. 75% of school shooters claimed or left behind evidence of them being victims of bullying, including Nathan Ferris, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, Edmar Aparecido Freitas, Brian Head, Seung-Hui Cho, Wellington Menezes Oliveira, Jeff Weise, and Adam Lanza.[22] A growing number of studies show that students with disabilities, in general, are much more likely to be victims of bullying than students without disabilities[23]
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