15 British Sailors Seized By Iran

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Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: knightc2
That alone would have been enough evidence to go to war against Iraq.
Well at least according to you and your ilk, the Neocons. Might as well fsck ouselves by attacking Iraq because they have an evil Dictator. Who's next?

 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Martin
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Martin
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The sailors have admitted to being in Iranian waters.

...according to their Iranian captors.

The waters themselves are very disputed territory, so only the Iranians believe that it's their territory.

These soldiers were kidnapped for political purposes.

Apparently the soldiers agree with the Iranians.
Like I said, according to their Iranian captors.

If you were being held by the Iranian IRGC, I wonder what you'd agree to...

I hope you're not trying to imply that there might be something wrong with confessions obtained under torture, or with people being held in shadowy military installations for indefinite periods of time...
I didn't realize the British were at war with Iran... so, what's your point again?

And I didn't realize you were at war with Germany and Canada... cause that didn't stop the US from kidnapping and torturing Canadians and Germans, amongst others.
We ARE at war with terrorists - regardless of the geographic location of each rock they choose to hide under. Nice try though.

We're talking Nation states here, military personnel, and overt acts of war.

And now all we see in this thread are more excuses for the sickness I mentioned earlier.

swell.

What is sickening is the people who hear some soldiers were taken and without knowing any details at all or who is telling what lies, immediately reach over for the nuclear warheads with every hope to see the Iranian people obliterated. People like that are the lowest form of pond scum. These are the real terrorists among the human race. People who laugh at the possibility of the deaths of millions of innocent individuals because they have a boat load of sh!t they need to blow out their ass. You hyper-patriotic assholes are the identical assholes you hate on the other side. You are their mirror image. The hate you have for them is the hate you have for yourselves. Whatever it is they deserve, you do too. You aren't patriots, you're emasculated little pricks, prancing and strutting around in your phony didoes.
I guess you missed the part where I stated honestly that I do not want war with Iran. that said, I don't want to see my fellow countrymen turn their backs on our allies, or make excuses for our enemies, either.

Neither response is a good one, and both of them make me sick.

My statement, where it does not apply to you, does not apply to you. But even here you continue in similar vein. How is it turning your backs on your allies if they, for example violate the territorial waters of another country and deny it. How is it making excuses for out enemies if you point out what they claim. Are you one of those patriots who believes in the notion, your country and its allies, right or wrong. I am talking about wanting to know what is true before you start killing people. The reflexive, we are always right and good, is the cause of the death of millions. The terrorists are right and good and that is why they kill us. Do you have that in common with them, or have you really deeply tried to understand what is good. Everybody on earth thinks that what he thinks is the absolute truth and no two people think alike. The truly certain are insane. The certain will slaughter millions in the illusory belief that they can sleep safe. They can never sleep safe because the monster is within them projected out there on the world. What you do not do enough of is question.
 

DrCrap

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Offcourse this just my opinion, and probably most of you won't agree with it, but I really think its about time Iran gets pounded hard, untill its fanatic leaders are put away one way or the other. I don't hate the Iranian people, but I do belive their leaders are the worst the world has seen since adolf hitler, they are totally insane, and they have quite a lot of power at their disposal, which makes them very dangerous as well.
It is my own personal belive that even though most american aren't smart enough to realize the greatness of the threat from Iran, at least your leaders are, and I think, Iran will be dealt with fairly soon.
You might say, yeah sure, you're Israeli you would like us to take care of Iran for you wouldn't you? I say hell yeah, but what you fail to understand is that its not only for my sake, its mostly for you. Israel is fairly capable of defending itself, and though we probably won't be able to make a very efficient surgical strikes on Iran, we can make them disapear (i.e. vaporize), Israel though its one of the smallest countries in the world, its the 4th or 5th largest nuclear power in terms of available warheads. So why is it for your sake? Well, guess what, the U.S can deffend itself pretty good as well, but it has one major weakness, a soft belly - terrorism. Once Iranian's have nuclear bombs knowledge, you can be sure that the next plane that crashes into a building will be filled with small nukes inside, making it a very big joy for the rest of the town as well. If you think its unrealistic, if you think I'm wrong, you mught be one of those not capable to understand that, but luckily for you, your leaders are well aware of the threat, and are going to take care of it for you, and yes, by the way for us (Israel) as well.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: beyoku
Then again, knowing from our lies and history...........The entire event could be made up? :/

What do you mean, the official account of the Gulf of Tonkin incident is entirely accurate, don't be silly. :moon:

Even assuming the allies are making stuff up to pick a fight with Iran, Iran's next simple move is to return the sailors.
 

Aimster

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what makes Iran's leaders comparable to Adolf Hitler?
What have they done?

Have you ever looked at the actions of the U.S towards Iran? It is far more barbaric than what Iran has ever done.

Iran does have stockpiles of chemical weapons. They have never gave them to anyone outside of Iran. If it wanted to destroy the people of Israel it could very well do so. The chances of their nuclear weapon ever hitting a major Israeli city are slim to none. Even if Iran detonates a nuke inside Israel it will hardly destroy even half of the city.
 

knightc2

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: knightc2
That alone would have been enough evidence to go to war against Iraq.
Well at least according to you and your ilk, the Neocons. Might as well fsck ouselves by attacking Iraq because they have an evil Dictator. Who's next?

I am not a Neocon. I am for preserving the American way of life and the lives or our citizens. How exactly did we fsck ourselves? They hated us before, they hate us now and they'll hate us tomorrow. They'll hate us until we are destoryed and then they'll find someone else to hate. Start harboring terrorists and I guess you'll be the next country on the list. As long as these leaders continue to oppose our way of life and vocally support our annihilation then they'll be next. Doesn't anyone listen to what these leaders say? They have expressed the desire to kill Americans and eliminate Israel. Is this OK? Why should we stand for this?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: knightc2
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: knightc2
That alone would have been enough evidence to go to war against Iraq.
Well at least according to you and your ilk, the Neocons. Might as well fsck ouselves by attacking Iraq because they have an evil Dictator. Who's next?

I am not a Neocon. I am for preserving the American way of life and the lives or our citizens. How exactly did we fsck ourselves? They hated us before, they hate us now and they'll hate us tomorrow. They'll hate us until we are destoryed and then they'll find someone else to hate. Start harboring terrorists and I guess you'll be the next country on the list. As long as these leaders continue to oppose our way of life and vocally support our annihilation then they'll be next. Doesn't anyone listen to what these leaders say? They have expressed the desire to kill Americans and eliminate Israel. Is this OK? Why should we stand for this?
Your right we shouldn't, we should Nuke them till they glow!!!! Wow thanks for changing my mind!!!:thumbsup::roll:



 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: knightc2
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: knightc2
That alone would have been enough evidence to go to war against Iraq.
Well at least according to you and your ilk, the Neocons. Might as well fsck ouselves by attacking Iraq because they have an evil Dictator. Who's next?

I am not a Neocon. I am for preserving the American way of life and the lives or our citizens. How exactly did we fsck ourselves? They hated us before, they hate us now and they'll hate us tomorrow. They'll hate us until we are destoryed and then they'll find someone else to hate. Start harboring terrorists and I guess you'll be the next country on the list. As long as these leaders continue to oppose our way of life and vocally support our annihilation then they'll be next. Doesn't anyone listen to what these leaders say? They have expressed the desire to kill Americans and eliminate Israel. Is this OK? Why should we stand for this?

Iran never said that the citizens of Israel or the United States need to be killed.

Have you even looked at what the U.S did to Iran during their war with the Arabs?

You cannot prove Iran is a terrorist state, because whatever you point out I will point out the actions of the U.S which are far worse.

So if you want to continue to call Iran a terrorist state then you need to come out and say the U.S is a terrorist state.
 

knightc2

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Originally posted by: Aimster
what makes Iran's leaders comparable to Adolf Hitler?
What have they done?

Have you ever looked at the actions of the U.S towards Iran? It is far more barbaric than what Iran has ever done.

Iran does have stockpiles of chemical weapons. They have never gave them to anyone outside of Iran. If it wanted to destroy the people of Israel it could very well do so. The chances of their nuclear weapon ever hitting a major Israeli city are slim to none. Even if Iran detonates a nuke inside Israel it will hardly destroy even half of the city.

Iran has deliberately violated UN rules. They continue to supply weapons to terrorists that kill US soldiers in Iraq and they have openly called for the destruction of Israel and the US. What more does Iran have to do? Iran does have the ability to attack Israel. Will they? That remains to be seen, but according to their statements it seems they certainly would like to.
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: knightc2
Originally posted by: Aimster
what makes Iran's leaders comparable to Adolf Hitler?
What have they done?

Have you ever looked at the actions of the U.S towards Iran? It is far more barbaric than what Iran has ever done.

Iran does have stockpiles of chemical weapons. They have never gave them to anyone outside of Iran. If it wanted to destroy the people of Israel it could very well do so. The chances of their nuclear weapon ever hitting a major Israeli city are slim to none. Even if Iran detonates a nuke inside Israel it will hardly destroy even half of the city.

Iran has deliberately violated UN rules. They continue to supply weapons to terrorists that kill US soldiers in Iraq and they have openly called for the destruction of Israel and the US. What more does Iran have to do? Iran does have the ability to attack Israel. Will they? That remains to be seen, but according to their statements it seems they certainly would like to.

uhm...

1) U.S gave weapons to Iraq. Iraq was on the list of nations that support terrorism.
What weapons did the U.S give Iraq? Chemical weapons. Just to make it easier for Iraq to deliver the weapons the U.S sold crop dusting helicopters to Iraq.

2) They said the regime of Israel needs to be wiped off the map. Big deal. U.S and Israel call for regime change in Iran all the time.
Iran protects Jews inside Iran and gives money to American citizens entering Iran.

& if you were the Iranian regime, would you stage mass demonstrations throwing flowers at a country who sold your neighbor chemical weapons to destroy your people?
 

knightc2

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Yes the US did give weapons to Iraq to fight against Iran. This was a long time ago. We were not in the midst of a global war against terrorism back then either.

Do you honestly think that a 'regime change' is all Iran wants in Israel? There is a religious hatred here that dates back thousands of years.

The Iranian leader is insane. He is way out of touch with reality and anybody can see that. The Iranian government is actively opposing the US in Iraq. We are at war and Iran is contributing to the death of US soldiers in Iraq. Is this ok?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: knightc2
Yes the US did give weapons to Iraq to fight against Iran. This was a long time ago. We were not in the midst of a global war against terrorism back then either.

Do you honestly think that a 'regime change' is all Iran wants in Israel? There is a religious hatred here that dates back thousands of years.

The Iranian leader is insane. He is way out of touch with reality and anybody can see that. The Iranian government is actively opposing the US in Iraq. We are at war and Iran is contributing to the death of US soldiers in Iraq. Is this ok?
Dude if you really want to put a hurt on the Iranians let them try and control Iraq. With their third world Army and the Arabs hatred of them cultivated over a couple of thousand years they'd fare much worse than we are doing right now.
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: knightc2
Yes the US did give weapons to Iraq to fight against Iran. This was a long time ago. We were not in the midst of a global war against terrorism back then either.

Do you honestly think that a 'regime change' is all Iran wants in Israel? There is a religious hatred here that dates back thousands of years.

The Iranian leader is insane. He is way out of touch with reality and anybody can see that. The Iranian government is actively opposing the US in Iraq. We are at war and Iran is contributing to the death of US soldiers in Iraq. Is this ok?

Prove Iran wants the people of Israel to die. You cannot. They have the means to do it but have never done it. Yet you claim they want to?

I'm sorry but it wasn't that long ago. It was done by the same govt today and the people responsible for such actions were rewarded with honor. Iran was never a terrorist state in the 1980s. How was Iran a terrorist state? Because they were trying to be Islamic?

So the U.S fights terrorist states by giving other terrorist states chemical weapons to use on the destruction of an entire nation? Bravo. The U.S list of nations that support terror is complete B.S.

Israel has hundreds of thousands of Iranian Jews and million of Muslims. Iran is not going to go around killing any of those people.

There is ZERO evidence Iran has had anything to do with the insurgency inside Iraq.
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: palehorse74
It's a sad state of affairs when you live to see your fellow countrymen say that they couldn't really care less about some of our closest allies - some stopping just short of cheering our enemies on - others practically offering to suck our enemies off.

it's sickening.

I agree, I read over this thread and I could not believe what some of these people were saying.

If push comes to shove, it must be us who stops them with force.
 

Atheus

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Prove Iran wants the people of Israel to die. You cannot.

Ahmadinejad did say he wanted Israel 'wiped off the map' (exact words) and he has also denied the holocaust. Maybe the Iranian people don't want this thing, but parts of the leadership blatantly and proudly do.

They have the means to do it but have never done it.

Debatable. They know they would have superior EU/US powers to contend with if they tried, not to mention Israeli nuclear weapons.

Iran was never a terrorist state in the 1980s.

There was that embassy siege thing - in which, by the way, Ahmadinejad himself is suspected of being involved.

There is ZERO evidence Iran has had anything to do with the insurgency inside Iraq.

And there was that anti-ship missile launched at an coalition vessel a while ago, that came from Iran...

Doesn't mean they are a terrorist state (whatever that is) but certainly does not endear them to most westerners.
 

knightc2

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"Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury."

"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land. As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map."

"Israel is a rotten, dried tree that will be annihilated in one storm."

"Israel is a tyrannical regime that will one day will be destroyed."

Yours Truly,

M. Ahmadinejad


"I think the evidence is strong that the Iranian government is making these IEDs, and the Iranian government is sending them across the border and they are killing U.S. troops once they get there," says Richard Clarke, former White House counterterrorism chief and an ABC News consultant. "I think it's very hard to escape the conclusion that, in all probability, the Iranian government is knowingly killing U.S. troops."

"...high-grade military explosives and specialized timers are among the "boutique military equipment" moving from Iran into Iraq. Some of the equipment is of the same type that Hezbollah, an Iranian-backed Shiite militia, used against Israeli forces in Lebanon during the summer..." CNN.com

 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: palehorse74
It's a sad state of affairs when you live to see your fellow countrymen say that they couldn't really care less about some of our closest allies - some stopping just short of cheering our enemies on - others practically offering to suck our enemies off.

it's sickening.

I agree, I read over this thread and I could not believe what some of these people were saying.

If push comes to shove, it must be us who stops them with force.

Have you formed your militia yet? Have you stockpiled the fully automatic weapons and body armor? I'm just curious at what stage your plan to stop the "dirty libs" by force is currently in?
 

sierrita

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: palehorse74
It's a sad state of affairs when you live to see your fellow countrymen say that they couldn't really care less about some of our closest allies - some stopping just short of cheering our enemies on - others practically offering to suck our enemies off.

it's sickening.

I agree, I read over this thread and I could not believe what some of these people were saying.

If push comes to shove, it must be us who stops them with force.

To the Douche-Mobile!
 

Moonbeam

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I just have to post it and they come:

"What is sickening is the people who hear some soldiers were taken and without knowing any details at all or who is telling what lies, immediately reach over for the nuclear warheads with every hope to see the Iranian people obliterated. People like that are the lowest form of pond scum. These are the real terrorists among the human race. People who laugh at the possibility of the deaths of millions of innocent individuals because they have a boat load of sh!t they need to blow out their ass. You hyper-patriotic assholes are the identical assholes you hate on the other side. You are their mirror image. The hate you have for them is the hate you have for yourselves. Whatever it is they deserve, you do too. You aren't patriots, you're emasculated little pricks, prancing and strutting around in your phony didoes."

Originally posted by: knightc2
WTF? I don't get it. Regardless of whether Iran 'took' 15 British soldiers or not there are many more compelling reasons to go to war with them. I am not saying that war is the answer at this point, but the mere fact that their leader is a nut job with impending nuclear capability that has vowed the destruction of Israel and the United States could be considered a pretty good reason. Not to mention they are supplying terrorists with weapons so they can go into Iraq and kill our US soldiers. I have never had a problem going to war in Iraq. The problem I have is the way it is being carried out. None of our leaders have the sack to go in and do what really has to be done and get this thing over with. Go big or stay home should be their motto. Politics and political correctness continue to hamper everything we do in the country.

Keep in mind that the extremists we are dealing with would not think twice about slitting your throat given the chance. They hate us and our way of life and until we either roll over and give them what they want or destroy them things will not change. I for one will not be one that gives in to extremist terrorists that pledge our destruction. Remember that more people died in 911 than in the attack on Pearl Harbor. This was a deliberate act of war. These attacks will continue unless we stop them. For the record I do not like president Bush but I wish more people would understand what is at stake here and stand up for your own country. The extremists will stop at nothing to us and destroy our way of life and have vowed countless times to do so. People seem to forget this and somehow we are the bad guys???

When you're so full of sh!t you want to kill you need to take a dump. Your colon is pressing on your brain.
 

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The thing is, Iran is going to get pounded, that's probably almost a fact. It remains though to be seen how.
Israel has been very hesitant to use its force during their last campaign in Lebanon, which led to them paying a fairly high price in terms of casualties and damages. It is commonly acceptable to assume Israel has enough nukes to make most of Iran uninhabitable for the next 50 years or so, while this is a possibility, I don't see Israel taking such a severe measure just yet. If you factor in the fact that Israel is fairly limited on delivering a limited strategic blow (i.e. just damage strategic facilities rather than total destruction) over such a distance, you can rule out Israeli preemptive strike. They are just going to sit this one, and observe closely, they'll only step in when they'll think we're messing it up.
The other alternative which looks like is the one that's going to happen any day now or up to a couple of months from now, is a U.S + coalition (namely England) strike on all Iranians facilities, one of the main goals will be eliminating ASAP Iran's capabilities of long range missiles launch, if they are able to launch anything towards Israel and hit it, you can say Hello nukes, goodbye Iran.

All of the above is a fairly optimistic scenario, Iran is probably fairly powerful, I am afraid that a full scale war with that country is not going to be a walk in the park.
Maybe because of its power, Iran should be more careful, because no matter how strong they are, the forces they are facing are much stronger, and they should go visit Hiroshima or Nagasaki to learn what happens when a bigger power than you is fed up with your sh!t.
 

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Originally posted by: AntareStar
The thing is, Iran is going to get pounded, that's probably almost a fact. It remains though to be seen how.
Israel has been very hesitant to use its force during their last campaign in Lebanon, which led to them paying a fairly high price in terms of casualties and damages. It is commonly acceptable to assume Israel has enough nukes to make most of Iran uninhabitable for the next 50 years or so, while this is a possibility, I don't see Israel taking such a severe measure just yet. If you factor in the fact that Israel is fairly limited on delivering a limited strategic blow (i.e. just damage strategic facilities rather than total destruction) over such a distance, you can rule out Israeli preemptive strike. They are just going to sit this one, and observe closely, they'll only step in when they'll think we're messing it up.
The other alternative which looks like is the one that's going to happen any day now or up to a couple of months from now, is a U.S + coalition (namely England) strike on all Iranians facilities, one of the main goals will be eliminating ASAP Iran's capabilities of long range missiles launch, if they are able to launch anything towards Israel and hit it, you can say Hello nukes, goodbye Iran.

All of the above is a fairly optimistic scenario, Iran is probably fairly powerful, I am afraid that a full scale war with that country is not going to be a walk in the park.
Maybe because of its power, Iran should be more careful, because no matter how strong they are, the forces they are facing are much stronger, and they should go visit Hiroshima or Nagasaki to learn what happens when a bigger power than you is fed up with your sh!t.

You and Jethro got the truck gassed up and the rifles loaded?

Because right now, you two are the only guys beating the war drum.
 

judasmachine

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Seriously here, if Iran executes these sailors and marines, and Britain ends up embroiled in a war with Iran, are we going to jump in, and where does that leave Afghanistan and Iraq, and the state of our military, and there equipment?
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: judasmachine
Seriously here, if Iran executes these sailors and marines, and Britain ends up embroiled in a war with Iran, are we going to jump in, and where does that leave Afghanistan and Iraq, and the state of our military, and there equipment?

It's a tough world we live in, but we'll just have to nuke their kids.

And then somebody will have to nuke ours, and maybe in 10,000 years, out of the radiation and mutations, a more intelligent species will arise.