15 British Sailors Seized By Iran

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BarneyFife

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I wonder what the ignorants on this board would say if Iranians were poking around the US coast and they were picked up by the US navy?
 

ntdz

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This REALLY pisses me off. Who the hell do they think they are that they can kidnap British marines? Are they out of their mind? There will be severe consequences for this if they don't release them soon.
 

cliftonite

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Originally posted by: ntdz
This REALLY pisses me off. Who the hell do they think they are that they can kidnap British marines? Are they out of their mind? There will be severe consequences for this if they don't release them soon.

And if the British marines were in Iranian territory?
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: ntdz
This REALLY pisses me off. Who the hell do they think they are that they can kidnap British marines? Are they out of their mind? There will be severe consequences for this if they don't release them soon.

Not if the Dems have their way, they're telling us the Brits deserve it.
 

Atheus

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: ntdz
This REALLY pisses me off. Who the hell do they think they are that they can kidnap British marines? Are they out of their mind? There will be severe consequences for this if they don't release them soon.

Not if the Dems have their way, they're telling us the Brits deserve it.

Except that the US democrats have nothing to do with how we react to this, it's Blair in control... damn we're still doomed.
 

dahunan

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Gee.. what did Hero Bush do when the Chinese knocked our plane out of the sky and beat up our pilot and stole equipment off of the plane?
 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: cliftonite
Originally posted by: ntdz
This REALLY pisses me off. Who the hell do they think they are that they can kidnap British marines? Are they out of their mind? There will be severe consequences for this if they don't release them soon.

And if the British marines were in Iranian territory?

Still pisses me off, how about informing them they're in the waters and tell them to leave, not kidnap them. (but I don't believe for a second they were in Iranian waters -- the British have said they weren't even close).
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: cliftonite
Originally posted by: ntdz
This REALLY pisses me off. Who the hell do they think they are that they can kidnap British marines? Are they out of their mind? There will be severe consequences for this if they don't release them soon.

And if the British marines were in Iranian territory?

Exactly.
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: cliftonite
Originally posted by: ntdz
This REALLY pisses me off. Who the hell do they think they are that they can kidnap British marines? Are they out of their mind? There will be severe consequences for this if they don't release them soon.

And if the British marines were in Iranian territory?

Still pisses me off, how about informing them they're in the waters and tell them to leave, not kidnap them. (but I don't believe for a second they were in Iranian waters -- the British have said they weren't even close).

I agree with you 100%

They obviously deserve a warning.. honestly.. We will never know the official story.. but what Iran did defintely makes them easily look even worse to the whole western world

Why would they do it?
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: cliftonite
Originally posted by: ntdz
This REALLY pisses me off. Who the hell do they think they are that they can kidnap British marines? Are they out of their mind? There will be severe consequences for this if they don't release them soon.

And if the British marines were in Iranian territory?

Still pisses me off, how about informing them they're in the waters and tell them to leave, not kidnap them. (but I don't believe for a second they were in Iranian waters -- the British have said they weren't even close).

I agree with you 100%

They obviously deserve a warning.. honestly.. We will never know the official story.. but what Iran did defintely makes them easily look even worse to the whole western world

Why would they do it?

To send a message.
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: cliftonite
Originally posted by: ntdz
This REALLY pisses me off. Who the hell do they think they are that they can kidnap British marines? Are they out of their mind? There will be severe consequences for this if they don't release them soon.

And if the British marines were in Iranian territory?

Still pisses me off, how about informing them they're in the waters and tell them to leave, not kidnap them. (but I don't believe for a second they were in Iranian waters -- the British have said they weren't even close).

I agree with you 100%

They obviously deserve a warning.. honestly.. We will never know the official story.. but what Iran did defintely makes them easily look even worse to the whole western world

Why would they do it?

To send a message.


I can see that.. but I think it is one they will regret. One of the problems is.. they export how much NG AND Petrol? << that keeps the world economy going...
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: dahunan
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: cliftonite
Originally posted by: ntdz
This REALLY pisses me off. Who the hell do they think they are that they can kidnap British marines? Are they out of their mind? There will be severe consequences for this if they don't release them soon.

And if the British marines were in Iranian territory?

Still pisses me off, how about informing them they're in the waters and tell them to leave, not kidnap them. (but I don't believe for a second they were in Iranian waters -- the British have said they weren't even close).

I agree with you 100%

They obviously deserve a warning.. honestly.. We will never know the official story.. but what Iran did defintely makes them easily look even worse to the whole western world

Why would they do it?

To send a message.


I can see that.. but I think it is one they will regret. One of the problems is.. they export how much NG AND Petrol? << that keeps the world economy going...

They might regret doing it, but sometimes a Nation has to protect its' sovereign territory(assuming it was Iranian waters). Allowing incursions by openly hostile force into one's territory shows weakness.

There's also International Law to consider. Canada, for example, has always claimed the Northern Passage as Canadian Territory. That claim is in question partly because Canada has not been actively patrolling and intercepting Foreign Vessels(perhaps a handful every few years) passing through it. According to International Law if you allow Foreigners to pass through your territorial waters, those waters become International Waters.

On the West coast where BC and Alaska meet, there is a small area of disputed territorial water. Both Canada(backed by International decisions) and the US claim that territory. Every few years the US Coast Guard arrests some Canadian Fishing boats/crew, Then the Canadian Coast Guard does the same to US boats/crew, or vice versa. Makes the News, people get pissed, both sides release the Crews/boats, and nothing happens for a few years. What the Iranians have done so far(assuming again their territory) is nothing out of the ordinary.
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
So why are British Sailors on inflatable boats? Hmmm. I am guessing these sailors were spies and there is a lot more going on than is being reported.

sad....why comment when you know nothing about frigates or the british navy??
 

Aegeon

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
I wonder what the ignorants on this board would say if Iranians were poking around the US coast and they were picked up by the US navy?
That frankly has nothing whatsoever to do with the situation.

By all accounts we're talking about what was clearly not Iranian waters by international standards.

Even if it turns out the British somehow actually were barely in Iranian waters by mistake, we're talking about an area where the Iraqi coast and Iraqi waters and the Iranian coast and Iranian waters are extremely close together. Obviously no-one is going to cross the Atlantic by mistake and end up in US territorial waters, (at least if we're talking about ships with engines) but accidentally ending up barely in Iranian territorial waters is quite possible.

The appropriate response for two inflatable boats barely in Iranian waters in the area would have been to firmly escort them out of their territory and then issue a diplomatic protest of the violation of their territorial integrity. (Obviously a country could do even less, but this is accounting for how Iran would realistically have approached this situation with more reasonable behavior.)
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Aegeon
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
I wonder what the ignorants on this board would say if Iranians were poking around the US coast and they were picked up by the US navy?
That frankly has nothing whatsoever to do with the situation.

By all accounts we're talking about what was clearly not Iranian waters by international standards.

Even if it turns out the British somehow actually were barely in Iranian waters by mistake, we're talking about an area where the Iraqi coast and Iraqi waters and the Iranian coast and Iranian waters are extremely close together. Obviously no-one is going to cross the Atlantic by mistake and end up in US territorial waters, (at least if we're talking about ships with engines) but accidentally ending up barely in Iranian territorial waters is quite possible.

The appropriate response for two inflatable boats barely in Iranian waters in the area would have been to firmly escort them out of their territory and then issue a diplomatic protest of the violation of their territorial integrity. (Obviously a country could do even less, but this is accounting for how Iran would realistically have approached this situation with more reasonable behavior.)

They certainly could have done things differently, but what they did do was very reasonable. If they had opened fire on the British this would be a whole different matter.
 

Aegeon

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Originally posted by: sandorski
They certainly could have done things differently, but what they did do was very reasonable. If they had opened fire on the British this would be a whole different matter.
The only reason they didn't open fire is the British sailors agreed to surrender without a fight given the threat of superior Iranian forces surrounding them!

We're talking about Iranian invading Iraqi territorial waters and taking British sailors hostage by all appearances.

This is a grossly unreasonable act an a gross provocation by any reasonable measure. As I noted a reasonable response if they were barely in Iranian territorial waters, in two inflatable boats so they were not a serious threat, would be to escort them out of your waters and then file an immediate protest.

We're talking about what can be considered an outright act of war here based on the evidence.
 

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Originally posted by: Aegeon
Originally posted by: sandorski
They certainly could have done things differently, but what they did do was very reasonable. If they had opened fire on the British this would be a whole different matter.
The only reason they didn't open fire is the British sailors agreed to surrender without a fight given the threat of superior Iranian forces surrounding them!

We're talking about Iranian invading Iraqi territorial waters and taking British sailors hostage by all appearances.

This is a grossly unreasonable act an a gross provocation by any reasonable measure. As I noted a reasonable response if they were barely in Iranian territorial waters, in two inflatable boats so they were not a serious threat, would be to escort them out of your waters and then file an immediate protest.

We're talking about what can be considered an outright act of war here based on the evidence.

This is probably an act of war, there is an Iranian pattern here, it was the exact same thing that Iranian prodege Hezbulla did to Israel this past summer, when they ambushed an Israeli patrol, which was patrolling strictly within Israeli territory (behind its own side of the border fence) kidnapped 3 Israeli soldiers and killed 8. For whatever that's worth that was enough for Bush & Blair to give Israel the "green light" to pound Lebanon. About 3000 Lebanese paid the price of Iranian international terrorism link back then. I think if these soldiers are not home safe within a few hours, Lebanon was just a preview for what's coming Tehran's way.
 

jpeyton

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The British will say they were in Iraq's waters, Iran will say they were in Iranian waters.

Who is right? Without proof, who knows.

If Iran is just doing a catch and release like they did 3 years ago, who cares.

Maybe the British won't play so close to the line next time.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Aegeon
Originally posted by: sandorski
They certainly could have done things differently, but what they did do was very reasonable. If they had opened fire on the British this would be a whole different matter.
The only reason they didn't open fire is the British sailors agreed to surrender without a fight given the threat of superior Iranian forces surrounding them!

We're talking about Iranian invading Iraqi territorial waters and taking British sailors hostage by all appearances.

This is a grossly unreasonable act an a gross provocation by any reasonable measure. As I noted a reasonable response if they were barely in Iranian territorial waters, in two inflatable boats so they were not a serious threat, would be to escort them out of your waters and then file an immediate protest.

We're talking about what can be considered an outright act of war here based on the evidence.

No. We need more info. I won't take either sides word for whose territory it was, especially if this is a long time disputed territory.
 

Turkish

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Turkish
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: 5to1baby1in5
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: BrownTown
why the hell do you people want ANOTHER d@mn war?

They are psychopathic imbeciles who will be playing with their nuts thousands of miles away as the deaths of others help to strum their fears.
Loyal Bushies
The noises from under their beds sound like they might be in a foreign language, maybe even Farsi, and disturb their somnambulism.
The Sheeple
These are the folk whose sexual impotence manifests as a need for vicarious violence to give them any sense of being alive.
The Religous Right
They are the worms that wriggle at the smell of a corpse.
Employees Of The War Machine

Translated into layman's terms for those that don't understand big words.

And where exactly are all these people that are calling for war? Did you women even read the other posts, or did you just ASSume that this thread was going to be filled with people calling for war?

Nice try at using "women" to degrade his credibility. I am sure women have a wonderful place in your heart :roll:

:roll:

In denial much?
 

Lemon law

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Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
The same thing they did when the US *kidnapped* them Iranians in Iraq a month ago

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In MHO, Original Earl is the only poster in this entire thread who even comes close to shedding any light on this. Bush kidnaps Iranian diplomatic employees---always a no no---and still hold some of them---and now Iran has some British sailors to use to maybe exchange theirs for. Is Iran right here?--probably not---was Bush right a month ago?--probably not.

But when you rattle sabers it should be of no surprise when some one else rattles theirs
right back in your face.---lesson---don't rattle sabers in the first place.

I also get real cold chills when some talk about the USA punishing Iran like some unruly child. And they had better be prepared to accept a probably world wide depression as a side consequence of the USA spanking of Iran that could only be accomplished by a large scale aerial bombing of Iran. It may be a certainty that the USA could administer such a spanking, but no shipping will move in the Persian gulf for years to come.

And within five minutes after the first bomb falls, speculators will push oil prices to hundreds of dollars a barrel--result---instant worldwide depression.

While there is always a few that profit by war--the vast bulk of us suffer---whose interests should we serve?
 

Socio

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Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
The same thing they did when the US *kidnapped* them Iranians in Iraq a month ago


Big difference this was armed Iranian military cought well inside Iraq and they were not there by mistake.

The sailors were in Iraqi water according to the UK

Hence the armed Iranian military were captured the sailors were kidnapped
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Socio
Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
The same thing they did when the US *kidnapped* them Iranians in Iraq a month ago

Big difference this was armed Iranian military caught well inside Iraq and they were not there by mistake.

The sailors were in Iraqi water according to the UK

Hence the armed Iranian military were captured the sailors were kidnapped
QFT.