14MPH over the limit...$60K ticket

[jlee]

The problem is that it can easily become a victim violent crime in a blink of an eye. The fine is intended to deter such behavior.

Make the driver realize that it is dangerous to ones financial health as well as others. Those that speed apparently do not consider that they might endanger someone else or property due to circumstances that they are unable to anticipate.

Except that's not the case. When's the last time you've seen an accident on a 80mph highway in Utah and when's the last time you've seen an accident in rush hour in a city where people are going half the speed limit already?

Speeding can be dangerous when it's relative speed. Traffic moving at 40mph in a 70mph zone, with someone doing 70mph, is far more dangerous than everyone doing 80mph.

Also, for those of you who have forgotten about the Constitution of the United States:

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

What some of you are proposing is, in my opinion, clearly "excessive."

 

[DigDog]

Are You Living In Finland? Are You A MILLIONAIRE??
follow these 4 easy steps for success
1) buy swag car
2) hire a driver.
3) pay him a miserable wage.
4) tip him handsomely. if he gets a fine, double it in tips.

 

[WelshBloke]

Such a stupid law. Punishment should be equivalent to the action.

Well that's the entire point of it.

A fine of, say, $100 dollars would be a punishment to some but totally negligible to others.

Arguing that fines aren't appropriate for speeding is a different discussion.

Fact is that if you are going to use fines then this seems like the most sensible way.

 

[WelshBloke]

There's a flaw in that type of system, however: it would make more fiscal sense to pull over wealthier types than those who are not. So, now, you're on a hit list because you have money.

You're assuming that police are always interested in collecting revenue. That's not the case in a lot of countries.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

this makes a lot of sense. traffic laws tend to really hurt poor peeps and rich peeps not at all. ive gotten five tickets for doing things like riding my bike down the street in the wrong direction since may (the latest one about two weeks ago) totally about $1200, and yet i keep doing dat sheet cuz it doesnt feel like punishment, id rather do dat all month and pay a fine the one day i git caught than obey the law. its like, the cop gimme a tickit an ten minute lata im doin da same thing agin

 

[marincounty]

There's a flaw in that type of system, however: it would make more fiscal sense to pull over wealthier types than those who are not. So, now, you're on a hit list because you have money.

Good. See how you like it. Law enforcement has been targeting the poor, and those with old cars for years.
Maybe if some rich people get harassed by the police some of this BS will stop.

 

[WelshBloke]

this makes a lot of sense. traffic laws tend to really hurt poor peeps and rich peeps not at all. ive gotten five tickets for doing things like riding my bike down the street in the wrong direction since may (the latest one about two weeks ago) totally about $1200, and yet i keep doing dat sheet cuz it doesnt feel like punishment, id rather do dat all month and pay a fine the one day i git caught than obey the law

On second thoughts a fine, a punch in the face and a kick in the balls/wise and beautiful woman may be better.

 

[Printer Bandit]

install a device in your car that won't allow you to travel above 55 mph.

problemo solved.

 

[WelshBloke]

install a device in your car that won't allow you to travel above 55 mph.

problemo solved.

Not everyone wants to get married though.

 

[DrDoug]

I knew a company owner who would speed constantly.
1) Getting caught isn't definite.
2) The fines were small enough versus his income that he thought of them as occasional tolls.


Same with some companies: You can save $2M a year doing something illegal, when the penalties might cost the company $25k.
:hmm:
Gee, I wonder what they might decide to do.



I've seen fines for nearly $400 for violating some laws, like the carpool lane here in CA. $400 is more than a week's take-home pay for someone not making much money, and if they're paycheck-to-paycheck, that could sink them on the spot.
Or it might be 1-2hrs of pay for a high-level executive.

One person faces a threat of serious hardship.
The other faces what is really a mild annoyance.

Yup. I like the way they are doing this because it makes the financial punishment equal between income levels. The pain is equivalent and IMO that makes it more fair than the system we use here.

To the person who said that this system would make police want to target rich people, I say good on that. As it is POC and people that do anything to draw the attention of law enforcement in this country will get a cop glued to their ass in a heartbeat.

I welcome the rich to the club of being under the eye of law enforcement...lol!

 

[cronos]

Posting in a speeding thread.

 

[Jeff7]

You're assuming that police are always interested in collecting revenue. That's not the case in a lot of countries.

Or have fun: Revenue from fines will be randomly distributed among a list of charities.

Have everything on there:
Pro-abortion rights and anti-abortion rights.
Right-wing and left-wing.
Tree-huggers and tree-burners.
Save the whales and slay the whales.



Or dump it into the Social Security fund.

 

[sandorski]

A good system that should be emulated.

 

[lxskllr]

Or have fun: Revenue from fines will be randomly distributed among a list of charities.

Have everything on there:
Pro-abortion rights and anti-abortion rights.
Right-wing and left-wing.
Tree-huggers and tree-burners.
Save the whales and slay the whales.



Or dump it into the Social Security fund.

At the end of every day, I'd just put a stack of cash in a random free parking lot.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

Yup. I like the way they are doing this because it makes the financial punishment equal between income levels. The pain is equivalent and IMO that makes it more fair than the system we use here.

To the person who said that this system would make police want to target rich people, I say good on that. As it is POC and people that do anything to draw the attention of law enforcement in this country will get a cop glued to their ass in a heartbeat.

I welcome the rich to the club of being under the eye of law enforcement...lol!

this will lead to widespread "revenue policing" where cops "police" for the purpose of making munnie for the department/municipality rather than for the benefit of society. the pd's will become parasitic entities that dont stop murders, burglaries and rapes, but instead sit all day on the street corners tryna give out the munniemakas

 

[WelshBloke]

Or have fun: Revenue from fines will be randomly distributed among a list of charities.

Have everything on there:
Pro-abortion rights and anti-abortion rights.
Right-wing and left-wing.
Tree-huggers and tree-burners.
Save the whales and slay the whales.



Or dump it into the Social Security fund.

What?

Why would police want to make work for themselves to gain revenue for random causes?

 

[Carson Dyle]

Why would police want to make work for themselves to gain revenue for random causes?

Wow. You REALLY don't have any idea how things work in the US, do you?

 

[WelshBloke]

Wow. You REALLY don't have any idea how things work in the US, do you?

...

OP is about Finland and I live in the UK.

Why is the US relevant?

 

[zinfamous]

Actually, this is a pretty good system. It makes the punishment hurt everyone equally.

If you are poor, $20 could be a pretty big deal, where if you make six figures it may take $200 to make the fine hurt as much as it did for the poor person.

agreed. I mean, why not keep on speeding and breaking whatever law if it costs you a relative nickle to wash away the problem each time?

kudos, Finland. :thumbsup:

 

[jagec]

Are You Living In Finland? Are You A MILLIONAIRE??
follow these 4 easy steps for success
1) buy swag car
2) hire a driver.
3) pay him a miserable wage.
4) tip him handsomely. if he gets a fine, double it in tips.

Very nice.:thumbsup:

 

[Belegost]

At the end of every day, I'd just put a stack of cash in a random free parking lot.

What you did there, I see it.

And I like it.

 

[Howard]

Such a stupid law. Punishment should be equivalent to the action.

Right. So, whether you're rich or poor, the punishment has the same effect on you. Tell me that a millionaire will be hurt by a $500 fine as much as someone at the poverty level?

 

[ThinClient]

Good. Fuck speeders.

 

[QueBert]

They should fine everyone who speeds $60k, there are speed limits for a reason if you don't like or agree with them move somewhere that doesn't have any.

 

[Phoenix86]

No. I have not.

However, why for example should a unemployed low life dude who doesn't give a chit about anything and doesn't contribute to society get away with a pittance of a fine for the same thing?

This law is stupid, and I agree with that speeder. He is being penalized extremely harshly, for being successful.

Pittance for you, I guess you make a decent amount of money, but not too much because... You don't understand that a $200-500 ticket to a really rich person is more akin to a toll.

If you reduce a fine to pocket change, why would anyone care about the law?

While it's odd to base it on income, for a bunch of reasons, I'm OK with the idea of a fine amount based on your ability to pay it.