if that's true, why don't you just reproduce and off yourself?
reproduction doesn't even have to be a point to life, if you think about it
if that's true, why don't you just reproduce and off yourself?
reproduction doesn't even have to be a point to life, if you think about it
I think it is being overanalyzed here. If you are extremely smart you reach one of two conclusions. Either "WTF is the point" or "I'll have fun or benefit society while I'm here".
I don't see where being intelligent and having the emotional quotient of a 14yo would be more conducive to suicide. I doubt he "missed out" on childhood because he probably wasn't interested in the things others his age are. If anything it would be a lack of equals among his peers and limited contact with those on his level.
I doubt his parents pushed him. What would be the point? He is a prodigy. He naturally excels at things and most likely sought out things to learn and experience.
IMO he most likely chose the "WTF is the point" option. The more intelligent you are the more pessimistic you tend to be and the only thing that can override that is a quest for knowledge or giving up and enjoying the ride.
WTF is the point again? Why is this sad?
I don't see where being intelligent and having the emotional quotient of a 14yo would be more conducive to suicide. I doubt he "missed out" on childhood because he probably wasn't interested in the things others his age are. If anything it would be a lack of equals among his peers and limited contact with those on his level.
I doubt his parents pushed him. What would be the point? He is a prodigy. He naturally excels at things and most likely sought out things to learn and experience.
IMO he most likely chose the "WTF is the point" option. The more intelligent you are the more pessimistic you tend to be and the only thing that can override that is a quest for knowledge or giving up and enjoying the ride.
WTF is the point again? Why is this sad?
Actually it seems you haven't thought about it. What is the point other than reproduction? The amount of low and idle time in life far outweighs the highs for the average individual. In the end you die.
<-- Admits he's an asshat, apologizes to the forum
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I often internally succumb to such pressures myself, as I am also 14, though in the opinion of my pessimistic mind I am far from possessing the talents of those described in the linked articles. Often I think of myself as inept at anything I attempt in comparison to others, though I cannot help but assume this only by drastically disparate comparisons. I don't bother to do anything about it, though. It doesn't affect me much, and still I try to become somewhat normal. Often such efforts to get a life fail because small talk is extremely boring to me, and that's unfortunately my only hope at present. I don't want to get stuck on ATOT for the rest of my life.
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But why the hell am I ranting anyway? It's my own damn fault for not doing a thing to change.
I would agree that 14's a tough time to go through, but I have it easy at a 350-person HS (albeit on a campus of over 20,000).
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I often internally succumb to such pressures myself, as I am also 14, though in the opinion of my pessimistic mind I am far from possessing the talents of those described in the linked articles. Often I think of myself as inept at anything I attempt in comparison to others, though I cannot help but assume this only by drastically disparate comparisons. I don't bother to do anything about it, though. It doesn't affect me much, and still I try to become somewhat normal. Often such efforts to get a life fail because small talk is extremely boring to me, and that's unfortunately my only hope at present. I don't want to get stuck on ATOT for the rest of my life.
</rant>
But why the hell am I ranting anyway? It's my own damn fault for not doing a thing to change.
I would agree that 14's a tough time to go through, but I have it easy at a 350-person HS (albeit on a campus of over 20,000).
you're the one asserting that reproduction is more of a point to life than any other activity, not darwin.
just because we're wired to reproduce doesn't mean that reproduction is a point to life.
so i'm still wondering why you haven't reproduced already and killed yourself...
ummm.....I have reproduced and I often wonder what the point is however one of the other points is to nurture offspring to ensure the continuation of the species. At least when it comes to humans.
What do you think the point is? Ice skating, Nascar? TV watching, eating. Give me something that is more viable than the continuation of a species as a point to life.
If you want to know the meaning of life I recommend the Bible.[/quote]
Spare me. I've read it more times than years you have been alive no matter how old you are along with many other religous text.
Do you think the meaning of life is to get to heaven? What was it before the original sin?
This is the problem with guns being so available: suicide attempts with a gun are often more "successful" than by other means. I have a friend who took an overdose when she was in her early teens. Luckily her mother came home early and found her unconcious. She called an ambulance and the girl thankfully made a full recovery. These days she's as happy as larry and is far from depressed. Had she had a gun available she probably wouldn't be around today.
It's a shame about this kid.
It's a shame about this kid.
No it has nothing to do with guns. Your friend is either incompetent or an attention whore. If she really wanted to do it she wouldn't be here.
I'm not saying people can't change their minds and be thankful they didn't succed but most people who are serious do it right.
so... when you finish nurturing your offspring, are you going to kill yourself?
i'm afraid i can't give you anything more viable as a point to life... i'm of the belief that there is no "point" to life, insofar as something like "to serve christ" or "to improve the world". like you said, what's the point of an amoeba's life? i think you hit on my reason for living with "enjoy the ride"... i choose to live because i enjoy living, in and of itself.
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please. not a anti gun gun person.
most people that use pills to "attempt" to kill themselves are just crying out for help. i mean if you really want to kill yourself and don't have a gun, there are many other ways to do it. too bad for the kid, but that is what he chose, the reason he chose it noboby will ever know, may he rest in peace. but don't turn this into a anti gun thing. just remember, hitler was pro gun control....
CONSIDER THESE --
In 1929 the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others, who were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million "educated" people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
That places total victims who lost their lives because of gun control at approximately 56 million in the last century. Since we should learn from the mistakes of history, the next time someone talks in favor of gun control, find out which group of citizens they wish to have exterminated.
It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed, a program costing the government more than $500 million dollars. The results Australia-wide: homicides are up 3.2%, assaults are up 8%, armed robberies are up 44%. In that country's state of Victoria, homicides with firearms are up 300%. Over the previous 25 years, figures show a steady decrease in armed robberies and Australian politicians are on the spot and at a loss to explain how no improvement in "safety" has been observed after such monumental effort and expense was successfully expended in "ridding society of guns."
It's time to state it plainly; guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws only affect the law-abiding citizens.
I guarantee you, he will have never even thought about or learned about suicide if it wasn't for the internet
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