13" MBP or MBA? Update, bought a MBA

Pliablemoose

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I'm really torn, going to buy one or the other, will be my primary system, sorta kinda leaning towards the MBP because I can add ram, and an SSD drive over time...

Opinions?

Thanks for the responses, got a 13" MBA, LG screen, 256K Samsung SSD, very happy with it.
 
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secretanchitman

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mba pros:

-lightweight, compact, thin
-same battery life as mbp
-ability to add external superdrive and 10/100 ethernet via usb
-ssd standard as opposed to conventional hd
-high-res 1440x900 instead of 1280x800 on the mbp
-silver non-glass bezel instead of the black glossy bezel :p

mba cons:

-$100 more than the 13" mbp
-not as fast as the mbp (1.7ghz vs 2.3ghz), but makes up for it in general responsiveness due to the ssd
-have to use up the usb ports for ethernet and superdrive if needed
-lack of upgradability (cant go past 4GB, 3rd party ssds are too expensive)
-256GB models are expensive ($1599 minimum)
-doesnt have facetime hd (720p) camera like the mbp

if you want a future-proof system and can live with the glossy 1280x800 display, get the 13" mbp. if you want something thats lightweight, thin, and will be outdated faster with no upgradability in the future, then get the mba. if it were my money, i would pick the 13" mba. :)
 

Red Storm

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I was recently deciding between the two as well, and I ended up going with the Pro because I could upgrade the RAM, it had a Firewire port, and I wouldn't have to use 2 USB ports to get ethernet (and the adapter isn't even gigabit ethernet...) and optical connectivity. Plus the black glassy bezel just looks better (though the Air's resolution is definitely nicer).
 
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Really wish the MBP didn't have that 1280x800 resolution, would've sold me right there without that resolution :/

Also, I know it only weighs 4.5 lbs but dang it felt heavy compared to the MBA haha
 
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amdhunter

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I was recently deciding between the two as well, and I ended up going with the Pro because I could upgrade the RAM, it had a Firewire port, and I wouldn't have to use 2 USB ports to get ethernet (and the adapter isn't even gigabit ethernet...) and optical connectivity. Plus the black glassy bezel just looks better (though the Air's resolution is definitely nicer).

I didn't know that (although it makes sense going through USB) - I spent a ton upgrading everything to gigabit, so I won't give the MBA serious consideration anymore.

Even my MBP seems slower on gigabit than any of my PC laptops. Not by much though.
 

runawayprisoner

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It's understandable that USB wouldn't be able to do Gigabit since transfer rate caps out at 480 megabits...

But I'd hint that Thunderbolt can do Gigabit ethernet pretty easily... once there are adapters for it, or if you already have a new ACD.

As for Air vs Pro, since I own both (both 2010 models), I think I can break it down like this:

Performance: both have their own drawbacks. The Pro is faster at encoding movies and running intensive stuffs sometimes (read on for why it's only "sometimes"), but the Air is generally more responsive and actually faster in just about everything.

Heat: Pro pushes out more heat when stressed. Without Coolbook, the Pro would throttle the CPU down to about 1.6GHz level instead of its original 2.66GHz value. That effectively makes it slower than the Air in most cases. Despite being in a thinner package, the Air pushes less heat and doesn't throttle while encoding. It seems weird, but under heavy stress, the Air actually beats the Pro a lot of time if both are running stock. Coolbook fixes that, though, and the Pro is faster again.

Screen: In terms of colors, I prefer the Pro. But in terms of usability, I'd choose the Air since it has higher resolution.

RAM: Surprisingly, 8GB vs 4GB or even 2GB (on my Air) isn't very noticeable. 8GB lets me run 2 VMs, but that's that. Photoshop, Lightroom, etc... don't really feel any faster or more responsive. If anything, I guess it's the difference between having 10 images open and 2 images open in Photoshop. Pro can do 10 and Air can do 2, but Air can stretch to 4 sometimes if the resolution is low.

Storage: 128GB is barely enough for me. I would go for more if I could. XCode and Adobe Web Premium both take almost 30GB, and the rest goes for something else. If anything, I'd say consider an external HDD if you were to go Air.

Battery life: both lasts the same on battery for my light coding tasks (mostly just type, type, and type all day, but WIFI constantly on).

Expansion: both has only 2 USB ports. Pro has built-in Ethernet so it's more useful for configuring older routers and switches. Specifically the Airport.

So in the end, I guess I prefer the Air over the Pro for portability and screen resolution. Since I travel quite regularly (embarrassingly for taking photos, not for work), I like Air more, but I think if you need a workstation, definitely go Pro.

I don't own the 2011 line, but that's only because Coolbook doesn't support Core i processors, and I fear CPU throttling would happen again, so I think that's a major point for consideration.
 

Pliablemoose

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Got the Air... It came down to the form factor, I'll likely upgrade the SSD someday, and I think the 11" MBA can use the SSD in the 13" I just purchased, so I can sell it to reduce the cost of the upgrade (in a year or two)
 

Bateluer

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Got the Air... It came down to the form factor, I'll likely upgrade the SSD someday, and I think the 11" MBA can use the SSD in the 13" I just purchased, so I can sell it to reduce the cost of the upgrade (in a year or two)

Need your feedback on the Air. I've been debating whether or not to buy one, doesn't seem like such a bad price for what you actually get with the 11in model.
 

Pliablemoose

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This is my 2nd MBA, had the C2D 11" gave it to my daughter, the new ones are very fast, love the form factor.

I was about to buy the 11" MBA, then changed my mind, made the guy swap it out and get me a 13" I got the LG panel and the Samsung SSD.

I already have an external DVD, and I rarely install from DVD's anyway.
 

Bateluer

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This is my 2nd MBA, had the C2D 11" gave it to my daughter, the new ones are very fast, love the form factor.

I was about to buy the 11" MBA, then changed my mind, made the guy swap it out and get me a 13" I got the LG panel and the Samsung SSD.

I already have an external DVD, and I rarely install from DVD's anyway.

Pretty sure it'd be a step up from my HP E-350 machine, if a step down in storage capacity. Don't do a whole lot of gaming on the laptops these days anyway.
 

secretanchitman

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This is my 2nd MBA, had the C2D 11" gave it to my daughter, the new ones are very fast, love the form factor.

I was about to buy the 11" MBA, then changed my mind, made the guy swap it out and get me a 13" I got the LG panel and the Samsung SSD.

I already have an external DVD, and I rarely install from DVD's anyway.

awesome. glad you got the 13" mba! :)
 

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Need your feedback on the Air. I've been debating whether or not to buy one, doesn't seem like such a bad price for what you actually get with the 11in model.

Am very pleased, lovely work computer. Termals, performance... I'd say it's solid value given internals since it comes with SSD, 128gig is decent size. If you factor in design and form factor it's very competitive i feel.

I've switched from 15" MBP and don't really feel a difference in user experience since the resolution is the same.

However - it's truly annoying that it comes with a glossy display and 4gig of ram is max. Why deny me the perfect computer when all that's needed are two simple BTO options!?!?!
 

Pliablemoose

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awesome. glad you got the 13" mba! :)

I really liked the 11" that I just gave to my daughter, I did regret getting the base model 11" Air, so I got the 4GB ram, 256GB SSD 13" to make it a bit more future proof.

Reading the reviews and listening to the podcasts is what did me in, a significant number of reviewers said they were going to buy the 13" MBA for themselves. No one says that in reviews... :wub:
 

Red Storm

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Congrats on the Air! You couldn't go wrong either way, both are very nice laptops.
 

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I don't want to hijack the thread, but you know, when in Rome...

How do the Air owners find the graphics performance? I'm currently running a '07 MBP and I'm in need of an upgrade, and I'm not sure if I want the Air or the MBP. The only thing that worries me is having integrated graphics. I'm guessing it would be okay for MOST things, but I've never had a machine with integrated before.
 

Red Storm

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I don't want to hijack the thread, but you know, when in Rome...

How do the Air owners find the graphics performance? I'm currently running a '07 MBP and I'm in need of an upgrade, and I'm not sure if I want the Air or the MBP. The only thing that worries me is having integrated graphics. I'm guessing it would be okay for MOST things, but I've never had a machine with integrated before.

Unless you intend to play graphics intensive games or do a lot of heavy video editing, you'll be just fine.
 

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I don't want to hijack the thread, but you know, when in Rome...

How do the Air owners find the graphics performance? I'm currently running a '07 MBP and I'm in need of an upgrade, and I'm not sure if I want the Air or the MBP. The only thing that worries me is having integrated graphics. I'm guessing it would be okay for MOST things, but I've never had a machine with integrated before.

'07 MBP... you have what, x1600 or 8600m graphics? The intel HD3000 will be just as capable if not more so.
 

runawayprisoner

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I don't want to hijack the thread, but you know, when in Rome...

How do the Air owners find the graphics performance? I'm currently running a '07 MBP and I'm in need of an upgrade, and I'm not sure if I want the Air or the MBP. The only thing that worries me is having integrated graphics. I'm guessing it would be okay for MOST things, but I've never had a machine with integrated before.

Both of the 13" models have integrated graphics so it's the same either way. The rest is whether or not you need more than 4GB of RAM, a faster processor, more storage, an optical drive... ethernet...
 

Emulex

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get a macbook air for light cruizing ($500 for used 128gb ssd model from 2008 in decent shape) and a macbook pro 17" for heavy duty work (used core 2 duo 1920x1200 matte $1200).

If you are rich you can buy both new but that can get really expensive.