129 weeks!

Zebo

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or 2.5 years is what you can sit on unemployment for. Of course you're worthless to employers after that long so y'all better use it to start a business or something.

Course rest of the country has already been told by Wall Street that you are nothing more than overpaid, over benefited, lazy, debt saturated sheep and outsourced their jobs too so I don't know who you will sell to. Maybe others on unemployment and govt dole which 2/3 of us are.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010...ic-unemployment-benefits-republican-congress/
 
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PingSpike

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I'm sorry, but how long are we suppose to pretend the laid of people are going to find jobs? Congress should just authorize the printing of a bunch of money, send it to every American and let them pay off all their debt or buy new trucks with it.
 

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I agree after 2.5 years of unemployment if I got somebody's resume I'd use it as toilet paper. That is enough time to completely retrain in a good number of fields. Time to stop kidding yourself. If you're out of work for two years or 2.5 years you are either lazy as tits or in completely the wrong field; switch fields, sucka. How long are you gonna wait?
 

bfdd

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Man.... it's almost worth it. If I made like 400 dollars less a month it would be better for me to just claim unemployment.
 

ElFenix

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I agree after 2.5 years of unemployment if I got somebody's resume I'd use it as toilet paper. That is enough time to completely retrain in a good number of fields. Time to stop kidding yourself. If you're out of work for two years or 2.5 years you are either lazy as tits or in completely the wrong field; switch fields, sucka. How long are you gonna wait?

can you drawn unemployment if you're doing school? if so, do they differentiate between full time and part time?
 

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can you drawn unemployment if you're doing school? if so, do they differentiate between full time and part time?
http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art39311.asp

Many people take advantage of the opportunity to extend their education or even re-train in another area when they are laid-off. If it has been difficult to find another job in your current field, this can actually be a good idea. Whether you can continue to draw unemployment benefits during this period; however, will primarily depend on whether you remain able to seek and accept full-time employment. If the answer to that question is no, you may be disqualified from receiving further unemployment benefits.

So, it would depend on what schooling you're doing. If you wen to college full time I'd say no but if you chose some night classes (albeit with a heavy load to get that sh*t done this century) but said you were "available and willing" despite as a practical matter not want to do work 40 hours and then do a full course load, you could draw.

In any case, if I was in a field that had me out of work for two years I'd retrain come hell or high water.
 

Patranus

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Lets see, 140,000,000 tax returns filed. 47% don't pay income tax. So lets say 70,000,000 paid income tax.

$84,000,000,000 / 70,000,000 = $1,200
(What could you do with an extra $1,200?)

(and that is just for the extension which is what a 6th month extension? $1,200 * 5 = $6000)
 
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Zebo

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I'm sorry, but how long are we suppose to pretend the laid of people are going to find jobs? Congress should just authorize the printing of a bunch of money, send it to every American and let them pay off all their debt or buy new trucks with it.

Wall Street firms that you just bailed out is selling you out.
 

Zebo

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Lets see, 140,000,000 tax returns files. 47% don't pay income tax. So lets say 70,000,000 paid income tax.

$84,000,000,000 / 70,000,000 = $1,200
(and that is just for the extension which is what a 6th month extension? $1,200 * 5 = $6000)

Over half the gov spends does not come from tax payers but from future.
 

freegeeks

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our unemployment benefits have NO limit at all in time, how about that? It's kind of strange that unemployment in Belgium is lower then the USA even with these indefinite benefits...
 

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our unemployment benefits have NO limit at all in time, how about that? It's kind of strange that unemployment in Belgium is lower then the USA even with these indefinite benefits...
Do you have people who've been on them for a decade or more? How do you have to maintain them; do you have to provide proof of effort each week and is it relevant? Is there a stigma for sitting on unemployment for that long?
 

Zebo

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our unemployment benefits have NO limit at all in time, how about that? It's kind of strange that unemployment in Belgium is lower then the USA even with these indefinite benefits...

How redistributive is your tax code?
How do you handle imports?
Is there social tariffs?
How much of budget is used to pay for past largess?
Are you only able to net new jobs domestic nontradable services which illegals can fill off the books?
Have you off-shored manufacturing, industrial, and professional service jobs such as software engineering and information technology?
 

Zebo

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Do you have people who've been on them for a decade or more? How do you have to maintain them; do you have to provide proof of effort each week and is it relevant? Is there a stigma for sitting on unemployment for that long?

I'm 1/2 swede so half my family lives there and I have an aunt been on UE for 15 years. How is by 70% taxes not 15% for hedge fund billionaires. USA = win big lose big. EU not so much.

Not saying it's right - I don't believe in welfare as a general rule but workfare.
 
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freegeeks

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Do you have people who've been on them for a decade or more? How do you have to maintain them; do you have to provide proof of effort each week and is it relevant? Is there a stigma for sitting on unemployment for that long?

there is a link here that explains the system better then I can
http://www.justlanded.com/english/Belgium/Belgium-Guide/Jobs/Unemployment-Benefit

I know people who are on unemployment for years and years because they know their way around the system.
There is a stigma but the kind of people who are on unemployment for long times are not exactly the kind of people who care about that. The system costs around 7 billion euro / year which is kind of mind boggling for a country of 10 million people
 

Zebo

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there is a link here that explains the system better then I can
http://www.justlanded.com/english/Belgium/Belgium-Guide/Jobs/Unemployment-Benefit

I know people who are on unemployment for years and years because they know their way around the system.
There is a stigma but the kind of people who are on unemployment for long times are not exactly the kind of people who care about that. The system costs around 7 billion euro / year which is kind of mind boggling for a country of 10 million people

Unsustainable. You'll see. (unless you got an oil gusher like Saudi or Norway people have to produce)
 
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freegeeks

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How redistributive is your tax code?
How do you handle imports?
Is there social tariffs?
How much of budget is used to pay for past largess?
Are you only able to net new jobs domestic nontradable services which illegals can fill off the books?
Have you off-shored manufacturing, industrial, and professional service jobs such as software engineering and information technology?

we are one of the heaviest taxed countries in the world with a very large social security system. There is a trend towards off-shoring but not so heavily like in the US. There is still a big shortage of qualified engineers (IT, construction, biotech, ...) because young people here are simply not interested in technical stuff. Debt / gdp ratio is quickly going to 100% again after more of a decade of surplus or at least balanced budgets (govt. had to inject more then 25 billion euro into the banking system to keep them afloat). Got this from wikipedia

Belgium's strongly globalized economy[55] and its transportation infrastructure are integrated with the rest of Europe. Its location at the heart of a highly industrialized region helped make it the world's 15th largest trading nation in 2007.[56][57] The economy is characterized by a highly productive work force, high GNP and high exports per capita.[58] Belgium's main imports are food products, machinery, rough diamonds, petroleum and petroleum products, chemicals, clothing and accessories, and textiles. Its main exports are automobiles, food products, iron and steel, finished diamonds, textiles, plastics, petroleum products and nonferrous metals.
The Belgian economy is heavily service-oriented and shows a dual nature: a dynamic Flemish economy and a Walloon economy that lags behind.[13][59] One of the founding members of the European Union, Belgium strongly supports an open economy and the extension of the powers of EU institutions to integrate member economies. Since 1922, through the Belgium-Luxembourg Economic Union, Belgium and Luxembourg have been a single trade market with customs and currency union.
Belgium was the first continental European country to undergo the Industrial Revolution, in the early 19th century.[60] Liège and Charleroi rapidly developed mining and steelmaking, which flourished until the mid-20th century in the Sambre–Meuse valley, the sillon industriel and made Belgium one of the top three most industrialized nations in the world from 1830 to 1910.[61] However, by the 1840s the textile industry of Flanders was in severe crisis, and the region experienced famine from 1846–50.
After World War II, Ghent and Antwerp experienced a rapid expansion of the chemical and petroleum industries. The 1973 and 1979 oil crises sent the economy into a recession; it was particularly prolonged in Wallonia, where the steel industry had become less competitive and experienced serious decline.[62] In the 1980s and 90s, the economic centre of the country continued to shift northwards and is now concentrated in the populous Flemish Diamond area.[63]
By the end of the 1980s, Belgian macroeconomic policies had resulted in a cumulative government debt of about 120% of GDP. As of 2006, the budget was balanced and public debt was equal to 90.30% of GDP.[64] In 2005 and 2006, real GDP growth rates of 1.5% and 3.0%, respectively, were slightly above the average for the Euro area. Unemployment rates of 8.4% in 2005 and 8.2% in 2006 were close to the area average.[65]
 

rpanic

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can you drawn unemployment if you're doing school? if so, do they differentiate between full time and part time?

I tried collecting unemployment once while I was in college after I got laid off from my graveyard shift job. I made the mistake of checking the box that asked if I was in school at the time. I was rejected and the letter said I could not collect, and I would have to drop out of college because it would hinder me from finding another job even though I was going to look for another job at night. I am not sure how they would verify that I stopped going to school but it wasn’t worth the trouble to collect unemployment and I got another job a few weeks later. I am not sure if things have changed this was like 15 years ago.
 

child of wonder

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Good christ.... when I was laid off in January I had two job offers within 5 weeks. Obviously that's not the norm, but how could someone sit unemployed in any field for 2 and a half years? That's insane.

I suppose, however, the benefits in some states are high enough that it wouldn't even be worth it to get a menial full time job like customer service rep, etc. because you wouldn't make any more than you would sitting at home.

Like others have said, why not enact a law where after X weeks of being on unemployment you're required to perform community service work for the government?

However, then I could see the government becoming dependent on "free" labor and we'd be in even more trouble down the road.
 

freegeeks

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Unsustainable. You'll see. (unless you got an oil gusher like Saudi or Norway people have to produce)

yeah, it's kind of a dual thing, in general people have it not too bad here. It was just in the news that total net savings (excluding real-estate) of Belgium families was more then 720 billion euro thanks to a very high saving quota and was back at pre-crisis level but the govt. is broke as hell :)

There are 3 popular sports here

1)tax evasion
2)football
3)cycling

The thing is NONE of the politcal parties have the guts to do something about the system. I have nothing against unemployment benefits and other social security stuff but damn, make it for some period in time so we can get rid of the leeches
 
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StageLeft

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there is a link here that explains the system better then I can
http://www.justlanded.com/english/Belgium/Belgium-Guide/Jobs/Unemployment-Benefit

I know people who are on unemployment for years and years because they know their way around the system.
There is a stigma but the kind of people who are on unemployment for long times are not exactly the kind of people who care about that. The system costs around 7 billion euro / year which is kind of mind boggling for a country of 10 million people
Those people should be ripped from their homes on a cold night and sent to work camps. Bloody hell.
Like others have said, why not enact a law where after X weeks of being on unemployment you're required to perform community service work for the government?
People PAID into unemployment equivalent to six months. When it's beyond that, when it's pulled from the general coffers, it should only be when they can prove financial hardship and/or they have to pay a portion of it back later. For example if you're still making ends meet because your husband is working but you're not, tough sh*t no money for you.
 

SickBeast

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Unfortunately people are gonna have to relocate and/or retrain in another field. It's a PITA but sometimes you've gotta do it. Survival.
 

BoberFett

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I suppose, however, the benefits in some states are high enough that it wouldn't even be worth it to get a menial full time job like customer service rep, etc. because you wouldn't make any more than you would sitting at home.

Yep. I had no problem getting maximum benefits based on previous salary, and with the $25 federal "bonus" I'm getting $610/wk here in MN. Why the hell would I take a menial job for less than $25/hr? I can make $15 sitting on my ass. I'm holding out for an executive position. :awe: