128 Students Suspended at Ind. School

[mugs]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: Dumac
At my school, there is a rule for males that your shirt can't be longer than the top of your pockets, but there is also another rule stating that your shirt can't be short enough to show skin in any position. The first day of school, I got a detention because my shirt was deemed to long; it covered half of my pockets. However, I also got in trouble later that day because my shirt was deemed to short; it showed the bottom of my stomach when I raised my arms.

I believe many dress codes are idiotic.

That's just fvcking dumb, who made that silly ass dress code?

The obvious solution to his problem is to tuck the long shirt in and wear an undershirt under the short shirt.

The long shirt rule makes sense, you look sloppy with a long untucked shirt. The short shirt rule is probably intended for girls.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: Amused
There is nothing wrong with dress codes. You're going to have them when you get a job, why not get used to them in school?

Because not all jobs have 'uniforms', dresscodes or anything opressive like in schools.

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: Dumac
At my school, there is a rule for males that your shirt can't be longer than the top of your pockets, but there is also another rule stating that your shirt can't be short enough to show skin in any position. The first day of school, I got a detention because my shirt was deemed to long; it covered half of my pockets. However, I also got in trouble later that day because my shirt was deemed to short; it showed the bottom of my stomach when I raised my arms.

I believe many dress codes are idiotic.

That's just fvcking dumb, who made that silly ass dress code?

The obvious solution to his problem is to tuck the long shirt in and wear an undershirt under the short shirt.

The long shirt rule makes sense, you look sloppy with a long untucked shirt. The short shirt rule is probably intended for girls.

No, you are not understanding my post. The long shirt and the short shirt ARE THE SAME SHIRT. They told me that my shirt was both too long and too short at the same time. And the shirt was not ridiculously long. It only covered abotu half of my pockets, which is 3-4 inches below the waist. What they want, though, is for your shirt to be 0-1 inches below the waist. However, this is inpossible to do without showing skin during movement. They just want a way to force kids to tuck in their shirts without making that the actual rule.

Also, your undershirt isnot allowed to show below your uniform shirt at any time. That is another detention right there.

The reason they give for the rule that your shirt has to be shorter than the top of your pockets is that your may hide a weapon or illegal substance in your pocket. I think that is a false reason and really they just want kids to tuck in their shirts. I am thinking of just getting shorts/pants without pockets to bypass this rule Probably won't work though...

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: goku
Because not all jobs have 'uniforms', dresscodes or anything opressive like in schools.

if you think high school is oppresive, wait until you get a real job.

When your work makes you wear slacks, dress shoes and a collared shirt, you will find out what real 'oppression' is.

That is unless you make enough money being an aritist, writer or musican or something...

 

[newParadigm]

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno
I'm not exactly sure how baggy pants and "graphic" t-shirts are that distracting in class. In my high school they had rules about too short skirts/shorts (had to be longer than arm length) and sleeveless shirts. I also think both of those are retarded too. It's really up to the parents to decide what to allow their children to wear.

I don't know. In school I was never distracted in class by girls who had massive cleavage but then again I realized when it was time to learn and when it was okay to look at boobies. I would assume other teenagers can separate the difference as well.

I agree with the skirts shortst hing, but the sleebless shrits thing is redic. The rule at my school was showing your shoulders, wtf is a girls shoulders gonna do for my pants?

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: Orsorum
Good.

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: AznAnarchy99

Originally posted by: destrekor
im kind of in the same boat in that dress codes do nothing. they only make the people who can't fit in clothing cliques, well.. fit in.. but it doesn't give them the ability to be able to still hang out with the people who didn't like. personality is going to be present no matter the clothing style, so why the big fuss... I never got it.

I have graduated, and while the highschools of the big city district are now in dress codes too (although not as strict as private schools), my highschool (a secondary city district) still doesn't have them, and I am glad. To me it does nothing. Clothing was never distracting. Sure, someone wearing something skimpy is going to get my attention, but thats about all. I never really got distracted from learning because of clothing itself. Foolish to think people are distracted in that manner. The people that are distracted from learning because of clothing would be distracted by anything or simply don't want to learn to begin with.
Hell, a girl in my school had always worn a schoolgirl outfit anyhow, cuz she felt like it. She looked hot in it, and would be just as distracting as a girl wearing a skimpy outfit. A girl's/woman's body is going to shine through whatever she wears.

I find the dress code itself more distracting because of more people worrying about what they are wearing is ok than the school work.

lame

next you will say there should be no rules at all at school because they distract you.
sounds like someone has a case of ADD.

It is true though. Most of school kids are just worrying about the dress code. Everyone is in violation of it in some way; it is just a matter of luck when it comes to whether or not you get in trouble. A good portion of conversation stems from being worried or hating the dress code. What is more distracting? My hair reaching my collar, or the Assistant Principal interrupting a classroom for 10-20 minutes to hand out 5 saturday detentions for hair being to long?

 

[Eeezee]

Yes, because wearing baggy pants in class is worse for learning than not being in class at all. That's smart.

If you want a dress code, then you should probably do uniforms. Wear the exact uniform or don't go to class.

 

[Eeezee]

It makes you wonder why there aren't any well-published studies on whether or not dress code really matters for learning. Take 100 classrooms and force 50 of them to wear uniforms, let the other 50 wear whatever they want. Keep track of their grades over 2-3 years. This would be especially easy for middle school students, since their classes are generally static from year to year.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: tk109
I think it's more important for a teenager to feel good about themselves and who they are and not feel inadequate

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why America is going down the crapper. People should always "feel good" about themselves. Forget objective ranking, the kid who can't read shouldn't have to feel inferior to the valedictorian.

As far as you comment about not wearing hats indoors, were you raised in a barn? You do not ever wear a hat indoors except for the lobby of a public building or in a place like a bus or train station. That has been basic etiquitte for decades.

ZV

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Kevin1211

Originally posted by: Amused
There is nothing wrong with dress codes. You're going to have them when you get a job, why not get used to them in school?

then how come there's not dress code in college? isnt college even more for you to get used to the "real world"?

Nope. College does nothing but prove that you're willing to spend a bunch of money for a piece of paper.

Back when, there were dress codes at colleges, but the bohemian caste of washed-up hippies took over academia when they found out that they couldn't cut it in the real world, which ended up transforming college from a preparation for the business world into a 4-year escape from actually having responsibility.

ZV

 

[xanis]

I hate to say it, but this is one situation where no one can win. I think dress codes are good, there are way too many innapropriately dressed kids walking around. However, taking them out of class just because of a dress code violation is stupid, because more than likely, the kids don't care and probably wanted to get sent home anyway.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Shouldn't school prepare you for life? Expressing yourself and even your sexuality through clothes is a pivitol part of your existence. I wish I didn't have a uniform in elementary school - I had no sense of fashion growing up. When you're in a job interview or a club - which is more important? Knowing your times table or knowing how to dress?

How far will you get in life if you dress like a criminal or a slut at job interviews? And do you honestly think that I, and every other gainfully-employed adult who owns a home and has their own family to support and raise, should pay $2000+/year in property taxes to teach you how to dress at a fvcking club?! If so, then you don't deserve compulsory education at my expense; let your own parents support you.

And if "expressing your sexuality through clothes" is really a "pivotal part of your existence", then you are either very young, very shallow, or school has already failed you.

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Shouldn't school prepare you for life? Expressing yourself and even your sexuality through clothes is a pivitol part of your existence. I wish I didn't have a uniform in elementary school - I had no sense of fashion growing up. When you're in a job interview or a club - which is more important? Knowing your times table or knowing how to dress?

How far will you get in life if you dress like a criminal or a slut at job interviews? And do you honestly think that I, and every other gainfully-employed adult who owns a home and has their own family to support and raise, should pay $2000+/year in property taxes to teach you how to dress at a fvcking club?! If so, then you don't deserve compulsory education at my expense; let your own parents support you.

And if "expressing your sexuality through clothes" is really a "pivotal part of your existence", then you are either very young, very shallow, or school has already failed you.

The majority of the time, dress code violations are not as severe as you make it sound. If a girl isdressing like a slut or if a guy is dressing like some thug, then yes, disciplinary action should be taken. However, most of the times the hammer of justice falls on high to average ranking students who aren't trying to make a statement or be a 'ho'.

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
As far as you comment about not wearing hats indoors, were you raised in a barn? You do not ever wear a hat indoors except for the lobby of a public building or in a place like a bus or train station. That has been basic etiquitte for decades.

I'm thinking that you and I must live in the past.

I was with a group of people a few weeks ago, and we were all wearing hats. I was the only one to take mine off upon entering an office building. The entire group noticed, and several of them asked me why I bothered. One of the guys that asked was in the military, and one of the others is a retired (something involving high positions in the air force) guy from the air force. Apparently they're used to not taking their hats off. I've since noticed that the only men that take their hats off when they come into my office are the older folks. None that looked to be under 50 or 60 or so took his hat off.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Kevin1211

Originally posted by: Amused
There is nothing wrong with dress codes. You're going to have them when you get a job, why not get used to them in school?

then how come there's not dress code in college? isnt college even more for you to get used to the "real world"?

Nope. College does nothing but prove that you're willing to spend a bunch of money for a piece of paper.

:roll:

If that's all you got out of college, that's your fault.

 

[herkulease]

good.

I can't stand seeing teenage girls dress like hoes and teenage boys who wear the pants so low its down to their knees.

what is up with that. trying to show off your boxers?

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Shouldn't school prepare you for life? Expressing yourself and even your sexuality through clothes is a pivitol part of your existence. I wish I didn't have a uniform in elementary school - I had no sense of fashion growing up. When you're in a job interview or a club - which is more important? Knowing your times table or knowing how to dress?

How far will you get in life if you dress like a criminal or a slut at job interviews? And do you honestly think that I, and every other gainfully-employed adult who owns a home and has their own family to support and raise, should pay $2000+/year in property taxes to teach you how to dress at a fvcking club?! If so, then you don't deserve compulsory education at my expense; let your own parents support you.

And if "expressing your sexuality through clothes" is really a "pivotal part of your existence", then you are either very young, very shallow, or school has already failed you.

are you serious? because we all know its the school environment itself that teaches kids how to dress. its life outside the school, such as hanging out with friends and the quality of parenting that allows a kid to dress like they do. and media is an influence too.
don't tell me kids learn lifestyle choices at school.
i didn't. i learned them through friends and by my parents. but maybe i was better than others because I have always done what I wanted to do, and not what was expected based on my friends or people I associated with. I talked to some people who we 'thuggish', but I didn't follow their ways or start dressing like them, because I didn't want to.

Originally posted by: herkulease
good.

I can't stand seeing teenage girls dress like hoes and teenage boys who wear the pants so low its down to their knees.

what is up with that. trying to show off your boxers?

because a school uniform means they still dont have those clothes at home?
a kid will wear what they want to wear at some point in the day. its like teenagers at work: we wear our uniforms, but we wear our 'street clothes' when not on the job.
its all about parenting. but most parents these days are like 'we're gonna let out kids wear whatever they want to because our parents didn't let us wear what we wanted to', or because they'd rather their child 'fit in with his friends'.
howabout we tell enforce our kids not to dress like thugs and act like them and maybe the country will get better? because when kids aren't acting like thugs, they likely will be better and stay away from the dangerous aspects of the 'thug' lifestyle.

 

[Koharski]

dress coded are such a load of sh!t. Yes, some people dress like sluts, and some dress like thugs. Who cares? I silkscreen all of my own shirts, and I like to express myself that way. oh, and as for that comment about "school isn't for looking at boobs its for preparing yourself for the future", screw you. How would you like it if some senior office guy said "that guys job isn't to be drinking coffee, its to be working on those reports."

 

[shoRunner]

alot of you are quite disillusioned if you think that enforcing a dess code will improve education. kids choice to learn or not, has nothing to do with the clothes they are wearing, kids will get made fun of no matter what they are wearing, kids will horse around no matter what they are wearing. i really don't understand why people think a dress code will improve education any at all (of course a basic dress code should always applie, ie don't come to school naked). btw i am not in high school, and my high school did not have any crazy dress code...and it was one of the best schools in the country.

 

[herkulease]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: herkulease
good.

I can't stand seeing teenage girls dress like hoes and teenage boys who wear the pants so low its down to their knees.

what is up with that. trying to show off your boxers?

because a school uniform means they still dont have those clothes at home?
a kid will wear what they want to wear at some point in the day. its like teenagers at work: we wear our uniforms, but we wear our 'street clothes' when not on the job.
its all about parenting. but most parents these days are like 'we're gonna let out kids wear whatever they want to because our parents didn't let us wear what we wanted to', or because they'd rather their child 'fit in with his friends'.
howabout we tell enforce our kids not to dress like thugs and act like them and maybe the country will get better? because when kids aren't acting like thugs, they likely will be better and stay away from the dangerous aspects of the 'thug' lifestyle.

where did I say there should where uniforms. I don't particularly care for uniforms. I'm all for letting students where any clothes they wish but have they should be some what decent. It is not that hard for them to pull up their pants while in school. they can drop them to their knees the second they walk out the school doors.

 

[herkulease]

Originally posted by: Koharski
dress coded are such a load of sh!t. Yes, some people dress like sluts, and some dress like thugs. Who cares? I silkscreen all of my own shirts, and I like to express myself that way. oh, and as for that comment about "school isn't for looking at boobs its for preparing yourself for the future", screw you. How would you like it if some senior office guy said "that guys job isn't to be drinking coffee, its to be working on those reports."

and what's the problem with a manger saying the guy's job is to be working on his report not drinking coffee. especially when its outside of any break time.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: goku
Because not all jobs have 'uniforms', dresscodes or anything opressive like in schools.

if you think high school is oppresive, wait until you get a real job.

When your work makes you wear slacks, dress shoes and a collared shirt, you will find out what real 'oppression' is.

That is unless you make enough money being an aritist, writer or musican or something...

That sucks for you, if you didn't 'choose' that dress code or aren't ok with it, then who is *really* in control?

 

[DAGTA]

I haven't read the thread...

I lived across the street from Morton high school for about 11 years. I took my SAT there. Dress codes are necessary... gangs are rather bad in that area. My neighbor was killed when she got involved with gangs. They shot her in the back of the head and left her body in the local cemetary. She was 16.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: goku
Because not all jobs have 'uniforms', dresscodes or anything opressive like in schools.

if you think high school is oppresive, wait until you get a real job.

When your work makes you wear slacks, dress shoes and a collared shirt, you will find out what real 'oppression' is.

That is unless you make enough money being an aritist, writer or musican or something...

That sucks for you, if you didn't 'choose' that dress code or aren't ok with it, then who is *really* in control?

You know a thread reaches a whole new level of stupidity when Goku shows up.

If you find a dress code in school "oppressive" then I am afraid real life is going to suck a big one for you. There are far greater things to be concerned about in life than which t-shirt you can or can not wear to school.

Additionally what the hell is it about control you dork? A student isn't suppposed to be in control when they are in school and likewise some new employee isn't supposed to be in control when they start their new job.

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Kevin1211

Originally posted by: Amused
There is nothing wrong with dress codes. You're going to have them when you get a job, why not get used to them in school?

then how come there's not dress code in college? isnt college even more for you to get used to the "real world"?

Nope. College does nothing but prove that you're willing to spend a bunch of money for a piece of paper.

Back when, there were dress codes at colleges, but the bohemian caste of washed-up hippies took over academia when they found out that they couldn't cut it in the real world, which ended up transforming college from a preparation for the business world into a 4-year escape from actually having responsibility.

ZV

And this little gem of doucheness is pretty entertaining. On one hand it seems like you could be the type of person who is jealous of those that were able to get into college and graduate, yet on the other hand I think you are just as dumb as a rock.
If you think the purpose of college is to see if "you're willing to spend a bunch of money for a piece of paper" then quite frankly you just don't understand a thing about college. Some say ignorance is bliss, I just think it's dumb.