125 Shot Dead In Chicago Over Summer: Total Is About Double The U.S. Troop Death Toll In Iraq

[ProfJohn]

Obama is from Chicago, check.
Obama was in the state Senate, check.
The state Senate deals with crime issues, check.
Obama dealt with crime issues, check.
Obama's record on crime ranged from soft to mixed, check.

Actually calling Obama's record on crime 'mixed' would be a compliment.
The National Criminal Justice Association gives him a rating of 75, only one point about being called "soft on crime"

Some of the low lights from his time as a state Senator:
link
*Obama voted against a proposal to criminalize contact with a gang for any convicts on probation or out on bail.
*Supports alternative sentencing and rehabilitation (for non-violent offenders)
more: from talkleft.com a liberal web site
*In 2001, Obama was one of just nine senators to vote against a bill that toughened penalties for violent crimes committed during gang activity.
*Obama voted "present" on a bill requiring juveniles to be prosecuted as adults for firing a firearm on or near school property.
*Voted 'No' on making gang members eligible for the death penalty if they kill someone to help their gang. (HB1812, 2001)
*Obama is proposing to make it a felony for a gun owner whose firearm was stolen from his residence which causes harm to another person if that weapon was not securely stored in that home. (so a kid steals your guy and shots someone at school it's a felony for you, but the kid shouldn't be prosecuted as an adult?)
*Obama also voted against a bill permitting gun owners to claim self-defense when using a gun in their homes if the local community bans the use of handguns. (So a bad guy breaks into your house and you shot them and then they arrest you for having an illegal gun )
Chicago story

An estimated 125 people were shot and killed over the summer. That's nearly double the number of U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq over the same time period.

In May, cbs2chicago.com began tracking city shootings and posting them on Google maps. Information compiled from our reporters, wire service reports and the Chicago Police Major Incidents log indicated that 125 people were shot and killed throughout the city between the start of Memorial Day weekend on May 26, and the end of Labor Day on Sept. 1.

According to the Defense Department, 65 U.S. soldiers were killed in combat in Iraq. About the same number were killed in Afghanistan over that same period.

In the same time period, an estimated 247 people were shot and wounded in the city.

Police department spokeswoman Monique Bond disputed the numbers, saying in an e-mail that sometimes shootings are re-classified as accidental. She said the CBS 2 analysis did not match official department statistics, but she did not provide details. CBS 2 has asked for that information.

"The department officially releases crime statistics on a monthly basis to ensure the proper investigations are thoroughly conducted to determine manner and motive which also may result in reclassifications, '' Bond said.

Violent crime reports available on the department's website do not break down shootings by month. However, the latest report shows that the murder in the city is up 18 percent from last year. From January-July, the department reports 291 people were murdered, compared with 246 for the same period in 2007.

Bond said gang-related violence presents the most serious danger to Chicago residents.

"Gang and gun violence continue to be the dominating threat on our streets," Bond said in an e-mail. "Up to 60 percent of the shootings are gang related. More than 90 percent of the offenders have criminal histories and up to 80 percent of the victims have criminal histories."

Maybe Obama skipped the bolded part when he voted against laws that were tough on gangs or for laws that provided for 'alternative sentencing.'

 

[deftron]

So are you saying we should make someone from Iraq our President ?

 

[Dari]

Do you really want to go down this route? Illegal immigration is rife in Arizona and McCain supports amnesty for all of them. Illegal immigrants kill a lot of Americans each year and steal jobs.

 

[BarneyFife]

How many Iraqis where killed over that time?

 

[ProfJohn]

umm this is a thread about crime and Obama's stance on crime. Try to stay on topic.

BTW if you have proof that McCain is soft on crime as well then please provide it.

 

[StageLeft]

So since Obama is from chicago where there were more killings than iraq it's his fault?

Anybody else willing to throw their vote behind this stupidest thread of the week?

 

[CallMeJoe]

Because Senator Obama wasn't sufficiently "tough on crime" while in the Illinois State Senate, you think he should be blamed for all the homicides in Chicago. Very logical.

He also has failed to cure cancer. How many deaths can you hang on him there?

 

[deftron]

And Pheonix has about the same amount of murders with half the population

McCain supports crime! :roll:




And seroiusly, wtf is the relation of civilian murders in chicago to US troops in Iraq ?


How many civilians in Iraq have been killed vs. Chicago law enforcement ?

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
So since Obama is from chicago where there were more killings than iraq it's his fault?

Anybody else willing to throw their vote behind this stupidest thread of the week?

I'm sure there are a half-dozen Sarah Palin threads that could trump this one. But it's close.

 

[Dari]

lol, it's funny and insulting how the OP compares American soldier's deaths to victims of gang warfare, most of whom are criminals.

 

[umbrella39]

This is epic fail material. You don't always have to type out what you are thinking PJ.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
So since Obama is from chicago where there were more killings than iraq it's his fault?

Anybody else willing to throw their vote behind this stupidest thread of the week?

It's official ProJo has lost his mind. So there were more civilians killed in Chicago than heavily Armed Soldiers in Iraq? Wouldn't a more apt comparison be Police Killed in Chicago?

Wouldn't it be great if McCain pulled the incredibly stupid argument ProJo is using in one of the debates? He'd be laughed out of the auditorium:laugh:

 

[Jaskalas]

The point being that we?re doing a good job in Iraq and a poor job at home?

So how does Chicago reflect on Obama? It?s not like he has ever been executive over it as Mayor or Governor. The man has never held power.

 

[Thump553]

This thread is from the same PJ that used to whine that everyone was blaming his beloved GWB for everything that went wrong, including raining on the weekend.

Oh the irony. This talking point probably comes from the same minds that brought us Republicans for change-by keeping us in power-but we promise we will change this time around (even though the party platform is even more extremist now).

 

[ProfJohn]

It reflects on Obama because Obama was soft on crime when he was in the state Senate.

AND he voted against nearly every bill that cracked down on gang members.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Topic Title: 125 Shot Dead In Chicago Over Summer: Total Is About Double The U.S. Troop Death Toll In Iraq

Topic Summary: Isn't Obama from Chicago and didn't he serve on the state Senate?
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Maybe Obama skipped the bolded part when he voted against laws that were tough on gangs or for laws that provided for 'alternative sentencing.'

Maybe you, McCain and Rove skipped the part where McCain advocated attacking Iraq, well before your Traitor In Chief and his cabal of traitors, murderers, torturers, war criminals and war profiteers started their criminal war based entirely on LIES. :thumbsdown: :|

As of 9/5/08, 4155 American troops have died in that war, and tens of thousands more American troops are wounded, scarred and disabled for life.

Before they started their war of LIES, our nation had a financial surplus... until your Traitor In Chief squandered all of it. As a direct result of their war of LIES, we are now facing trillions of dollars of current and future debt our great grandchildren will still be paying off long after we are gone from this planet.

Before they strated their war of LIES, we had the support and respect of most of the nations of the world, including Islamic nations who supported our attack on Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan. You remember them, don't you?

• They're the ones who actually attacked us on 9-11.
  
• They're the ones who have regained strength and are killing more Americans, daily, because your Traitor In Chief ignored all the competent advice he received and pulled the majority of our military strength out of Afghanistan and squandered it in Iraq.

Good job, PJ. Your hero and mentor, Karl Rove would be proud of your flagrant abuse of the facts. Right out of his handbook of deciet, lies and smear tactics. :thumbsdown: :|

Originally posted by: Thump553

This thread is from the same PJ that used to whine that everyone was blaming his beloved GWB for everything that went wrong, including raining on the weekend.

Yeah. PJ's only problem is, everyone else was right! :Q

 

[mshan]

Perhaps McLame isn't getting the post convention bounce OP was anticipating?

9/10 Republicans had already fallen in line before decided to hide his record behind a woman, so there probably wasn't any low hanging fruit for him to pick off. Obama's 5 point convention bounce was apparently due entirely to uncommitted or disaffected Democrats coming off the sidelines, so it might not be as transient as the word bounce might imply.

Things could obviously change going forward, but it sounds to me like Karl Rove threw a Hail Marry pass that made this race more competitive than it was, though probably still a long shot for McLame. She is this year's wedge issue, with Rove trying to get people to react on an emotional level, rather than think about what is actually in their best interest, financial or otherwise.

Might be interesting to see how things develop in Pennsylvania (James Carville called it Alabama in between Pittsburgh and Philly), I'm not sure how Michigan develops now that Palin has been added to the mix, and Colorado (really seems like this is going to be the state that puts Obama over 270 electoral votes). Seems like Virginia and Ohio are fall back positions (and probably still up hill climbs) for Obama.

 

[dahunan]

Can you tell us where the CIA introduced ICE?

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Total Is About Double The U.S. Troop Death Toll In Iraq

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
How many Iraqis where killed over that time?

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[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Thump553
This thread is from the same PJ that used to whine that everyone was blaming his beloved GWB for everything that went wrong, including raining on the weekend.

Oh the irony. This talking point probably comes from the same minds that brought us Republicans for change-by keeping us in power-but we promise we will change this time around (even though the party platform is even more extremist now).

Nice trolling.

Republicans being more pro-government than ever does not equate to extremism. If the party was "extremist" it would favor Ron Paul, and I would actually vote with it instead of feeling abandoned. I only wish they were more extreme and actually held onto the belief of people before government. Instead they have completely abandoned such conservatism, and yet you call it extreme.

Clearly we have very different definitions. Still, I cannot help but feel disgusted over your notion of them being extremist while they continue to move over and join the Democratic party with more pro-government ideals.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
umm this is a thread about crime and Obama's stance on crime. Try to stay on topic. ...

Not with "Total Is About Double The U.S. Troop Death Toll In Iraq " in the title, it isn't.

Weak troll, even for you. I'd give it a 1/10.


Edit: BTW, I assume you will accept that story as proof of the media's conservative slant, right? After all, only neo-con Bush/McCain supporters would politicize such a tragic story about violence in Chicago by absurdly comparing it to troop deaths in Iraq. Right?

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
It reflects on Obama because Obama was soft on crime when he was in the state Senate.

AND he voted against nearly every bill that cracked down on gang members.

Good explanation. Maybe he'd prefer to sit down and talk to these gang members.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Nice trolling.

Finally, something we can agree about! :thumbsup:

 

[EKKC]

hey when half your career as senator of the state of Illinois you're too busy preparing to campaign or campaigning as a candidate for president of the united states, you're bound to overlook a few things in your true full time job.

cut the guy some slack will ya? it's not like the 125 shot dead were really important people anyway

/sarcasm

 

[RKDaley]

Wasilla,AK has a meth problem. Should we blame Palin?