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Stock Cooler review.

He neglected to note that the reason that the prior-gen coolers overheating almost immediately, because the heatspreader on LGA1700 is lower-profile.

 

[UsandThem]

Now if some decent budget LGA 1700 motherboards start showing up (only one bottom-of-the-barrel Gigabyte model under $179.99 in stock or listed right now).

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813145372

And knowing Gigabyte, it probably will explode on users wanting to be early buyers.

 

[VirtualLarry]

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Gigabyte B660M, 2.5gbe LAN, no bios flashback. $139.

So, I've picked up this board, a 12100F, and a 1TB WD SN750 SE PCI-E 4.0 NVMe SSD.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

The 12100 is an absolute monster for budget gaming.

 

[VirtualLarry]

That video makes the 12100F seem like a really solid choice for a gaming CPU.

The fact that it beats a 3600 at half the price is just icing on top.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

When did boards get so expensive? I remember B85 boards were like $60 to $80 back in the Haswell days the last time I bought a cpu. Now $140 for dinky little micro-ATX B660 boards is a deal?

 

[UsandThem]

When did boards get so expensive? I remember B85 boards were like $60 to $80 back in the Haswell days the last time I bought a cpu. Now $140 for dinky little micro-ATX B660 boards is a deal?

That last few generations has seen crazy price increases.

I was shocked at how expensive Asrock Taichi motherboards have become, so I looked at my Newegg history to see what I paid for my Z270 Taichi in 2017. It was $169.99

Now the Z590 Taichi is $490 and the Z690 Taichi is an eye-watering $590. I guess if people are willing to pay those kind of prices for a mid-range motherboard, why wouldn't the manufacturers jack all their prices up to become a lot more profitable in that product segment?

For me, $200 is the most I will pay for a motherboard. I just can't consciously pay more for a motherboard over a CPU (regardless of how much RGB is thrown on it to make it look oh-so-pretty.

 

[13Gigatons]

When did boards get so expensive? I remember B85 boards were like $60 to $80 back in the Haswell days the last time I bought a cpu. Now $140 for dinky little micro-ATX B660 boards is a deal?

In 2019 you could pick up a x470 board for around $85, the virus plus greed has ruined that...

 

[13Gigatons]

For me, $200 is the most I will pay for a motherboard. I just can't concisely pay more for a motherboard over a CPU (regardless of how much RGB is thrown on it to make it look oh-so-pretty.

This. I was looking at a board and suddenly I realized it was only worth half of what they were selling it for....keep waiting.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

That last few generations has seen crazy price increases.

I was shocked at how expensive Asrock Taichi motherboards have become, so I looked at my Newegg history to see what I paid for my Z270 Taichi in 2017. It was $169.99

Now the Z590 Taichi is $490 and the Z690 Taichi is an eye-watering $590. I guess if people are willing to pay those kind of prices for a mid-range motherboard, why wouldn't the manufacturers jack all their prices up to become a lot more profitable in that product segment?

For me, $200 is the most I will pay for a motherboard. I just can't consciously pay more for a motherboard over a CPU (regardless of how much RGB is thrown on it to make it look oh-so-pretty.

I absolutely refuse to pay $200 or anything close to that for a motherboard. Was watching a Gamers Nexus news story about B660 and they were talking about leaks having them reasonably priced and then showed a board for $160 and you only get 4 SATA ports. What a joke, paying $160 and having to make sacrifices like that. Guess I'm just going to ride my Z97 Haswell Xeon system until it dies as PC gaming is overly expensive in comparison to console even if everything sold at MSRP.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

When did boards get so expensive? I remember B85 boards were like $60 to $80 back in the Haswell days the last time I bought a cpu. Now $140 for dinky little micro-ATX B660 boards is a deal?

Lulz! Haswell came out almost 9 yrs ago. The board Larry linked is $140 with dual display ports, 2.5GbE LAN, WiFi 6 802.11ax, and XMP support. Throw that $100 i3 in it and you have a great gamer, for considerably less than a Haswell i7 alone, used to cost bitd. Bang for buck would be even better, if not for tariffs, raw material and transport costs skyrocketing, and demand for microprocessors being extremely high.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Lulz! Haswell came out almost 9 yrs ago. The board Larry linked is $140 with dual display ports, 2.5GbE LAN, WiFi 6 802.11ax, and XMP support. Throw that $100 i3 in it and you have a great gamer, for considerably less than a Haswell i7 alone, used to cost bitd. Bang for buck would be even better, if not for tariffs, raw material and transport costs skyrocketing, and demand for microprocessors being extremely high.

Dual display port on the board is useless to a gamer and I got XMP support on the Z97S SLI Krait Edition board I paid $100 for (really $85 after rebate). If we're going to shoehorn cpus into this discussion how about gpus too if we're going to talk about a great gamer system? Or maybe we can just stick to talking about boards doubling in price in the last few years? So is Intel offsetting their price increases onto the chipset instead of the cpus that bear their name while the boards bear the names of Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, etc so it doesn't make them look bad?

 

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Keep falling into deals that obviously can't be duplicated or posted here. If you aren't looking you never find these deals.

Currently ASUS X570TUF new bare board $5 (July 2021 flea market pallet of random electronic store returns). Main rig was a Gigabyte Z97X-SOC $5 (used in-box ham radio swap meet).

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Dual display port on the board is useless to a gamer and I got XMP support on the Z97S SLI Krait Edition board I paid $100 for (really $85 after rebate). If we're going to shoehorn cpus into this discussion how about gpus too if we're going to talk about a great gamer system? Or maybe we can just stick to talking about boards doubling in price in the last few years? So is Intel offsetting their price increases onto the chipset instead of the cpus that bear their name while the boards bear the names of Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, etc so it doesn't make them look bad?

Maybe you should stop talking about the boards too, seeing as this is a hot deals thread for 12th gen CPUs.

 

[blckgrffn]

Maybe you should stop talking about the boards too, seeing as this is a hot deals thread for 12th gen CPUs.

It's still worth noting that even @ $260 for board and CPU it's about that for a 5600G alone @ Microcenter, which is a top-tier source for these things. It's a real deal for those looking to stretch their dollars.

CPUs are useless without boards, but for all the talk here I paid $320 for an x79 board @ Microcenter back in the day and that was pretty entry level. Todays boards are build more like that one was.

And I still see older boards for crazy cheap from time to time (B560, B450) but those won't run an Alder Lake CPU.

Let's just realize that even a lowly board for 12th gen desktop parts has to be able to support some sturdy power delivery because you could put a 12900K in there and fire up a power virus. Along with all the other insanity going on in the world the basic B660 boards can probably deliver a ton more power than your value boards of yesterday. That costs something.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

It's still worth noting that even @ $260 for board and CPU it's about that for a 5600G alone @ Microcenter, which is a top-tier source for these things. It's a real deal for those looking to stretch their dollars.

CPUs are useless without boards, but for all the talk here I paid $320 for an x79 board @ Microcenter back in the day and that was pretty entry level. Todays boards are build more like that one was.

And I still see older boards for crazy cheap from time to time (B560, B450) but those won't run an Alder Lake CPU.

Let's just realize that even a lowly board for 12th gen desktop parts has to be able to support some sturdy power delivery because you could put a 12900K in there and fire up a power virus. Along with all the other insanity going on in the world the basic B660 boards can probably deliver a ton more power than your value boards of yesterday. That costs something.

Fair point.

@SteveGrabowski

Sorry about that. You were right to include boards in the hot deals discussion, I was wrong to try to make it seem off topic.

 

[blckgrffn]

Fair point.

I definitely wasn't trying to call you out. The "inflation" on tech kit the last couple of years has been intense compared to the previous decade and if you haven't been buying stuff all along I imagine that it is a rude surprise.

That doesn't change reality, however, that there is no magical density increase on mainboards that will keep them cheap like drives and ram.

And I can see that there is a slippery slope fallacy argument there - boards are useless without DRAM, hard drives, cases, software, etc. You gotta draw a line somewhere, personally I think pricing the CPU and board as a combo makes a lot of sense when talking brand new socket. It would be different if these CPUs worked in a previous series board.

 

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$95 ASRock B660M-HDV LGA 1700 Intel B660 SATA 6Gb/s DDR4 Micro ATX Motherboard

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Is this the rock bottom budget board right now for 65 watt CPUs?

Have had good luck with several ASRock Pro4 boards.

 

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MSI B660 Tomahawk Wifi ATX DDR4 $189.99

 

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MSI B660 Tomahawk Wifi ATX DDR4 $189.99

Shared that with someone for a build yesterday. They didn’t take me up on it, which was a bummer.

That said, if you don’t need wifi that is getting awful close to Z690 territory and if you can get the big boy chipset I would, if only because they are likely built a smidge better.

 

[13Gigatons]

Shared that with someone for a build yesterday. They didn’t take me up on it, which was a bummer.

That said, if you don’t need wifi that is getting awful close to Z690 territory and if you can get the big boy chipset I would, if only because they are likely built a smidge better.

The prices are getting silly.....hope they come down in months ahead...

 

[funboy6942]

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[VirtualLarry]

$89 shipped and there is 4 of them at the time of reply.

Wrong link? That's a used X470 mobo from a not-well-known seller on ebay.

 

[balloonshark]

$198.99 for 12400 with $10 off promo code 93XSH95. Shell Shocker deal.

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12100F back in stock for under $110! Go get em, boys!

(Although, some strong consideration should be given to the 12400F @ ~$190 as well, if you can wing the additional $100, it may be worth it in games like Elden Ring and somesuch.)

Just as a reminder, the Asus Phoenix single-fan RTX 3050 8GB GDDR6 card is now $299.99.

With this 12100F CPU, and that video card, and an $80 H610 mobo, although you'll probably want a $110+ B660 board for PCI-E 5.0 support, and a $100 kit of 32GB of DDR4-3200, you'll be rocking!