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I have a relative with autism. They are special needs and do not have the same thought process as normal children. I remember he hit me in the face with a stick when we were younger. If he did that these days, he would be a felon? They have a much harder time socially and, as such, usually have special services and faculty provided to take care of them.
I find it very troubling that instead of properly disciplining and teaching our children how to cope and act in our society, we instead charge them as felons. He doesn't know how to act, he is still learning. How can you fault a child when they are still in the process of figuring out society? IMO the penal system is for those that have adult capabilities, know how to act, but choose not to. This kid is just being a kid.
I find it very troubling that instead of properly disciplining and teaching our children how to cope and act in our society, we instead charge them as felons. He doesn't know how to act, he is still learning. How can you fault a child when they are still in the process of figuring out society? IMO the penal system is for those that have adult capabilities, know how to act, but choose not to. This kid is just being a kid.
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Maybe someone will do something kind for you one day and you can lose the shell of sarcasm and diminished empathy you seem to carry with you.
master_shake_
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america, america
you always know whats best.
america, america
just a fucked up place to live....
how does it go?
how does british rule sound now?
nakedfrog
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Oh, right, I forgot every person with Asperger's is exactly the same as you.
There's a reason the phrase "If you've met one person with autism, you've met one person with autism" exists--because it's accurate.
Still doesn't say anything other than the kid had a tantrum and his account of what happened with the police officer, which I'm sure is inaccurate.
While it might be a bit harsh to charge an 11 year old with felony assault, without knowing his record or what actually happened, I refrain from judging. But, as per usual, we don't need much in the actual evidence category to jump on the "all cops are evil" bandwagon.
And, for whoever asked before if it was a felony for an autistic person to hit you in the face with a stick, the answer is yes. They should be charged with a felony and their punishment should be determined with their disorder in mind. Just because someone can't fully understand the law or why their actions were against it does not mean we simply ignore their transgressions. We handle them accordingly and if a pattern emerges that demonstrates they cannot function within society without being a danger to themselves or others, we remove them from it.
I thought the saying was "If you've met a person with autism, you've met a person that was vaccinated!"
rudeguy
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The "justice" system is broken beyond repair. Cops, judges, attorneys, jailers, they are all beyond help.
GoPackGo
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I actually disagree with that and its also why there is a juvenile system. Children, especially special needs children, do not fully understand rules, laws, or society at all. They haven't fully developed empathy. When they act out we use that as a chance to correct the behavior before they are adults. Giving the kid a felony conviction does nothing to deter the child from acting out, it only ruins their life before they even understand what it is to live and interact in our society.
A more appropriate action is suspension, detention, parent meeting, and if it continues then counseling. The kid needs corrective help, not life-long punishment.
The problem is without some kind of standing record, there is no way to ensure this child can get help. I've read stories of parents who fear their child will grow increasingly violent, but since the child hasn't technically broken any law or been in any documented trouble, no one can do anything except release them back to the fearful parent. The appropriate action isn't to wait until a tantrum ends in someone getting seriously hurt, when there is a pattern of tantrums.
A felony conviction at age 11 isn't going to ruin anyone's life, nor is it even explained what his punishment was. I can't even find where it is stated he was found guilty of an adult felony.
We don't know how many offenses this child had prior to this incident and what actually happened.
a bit more information on the specific case and the larger context.
School-to-prison pipeline ignores difference between misbehavior and crime
"In 2012, Judge Steven C. Teske, a juvenile court judge in Georgia, told the Senate Subcommittee on Constitution, Civil Rights and Human Rights, that the attention of prosecutors in Clayton County had been diverted away "from the more difficult evidentiary and 'scary' cases -- burglary, robberies, car thefts, aggravated assaults with weapons." They had instead turned "to prosecuting kids that are not 'scary,' but made an adult mad."
That judge said the year before police were placed in the schools in his county, there had been 49 students referred to juvenile court. Eight years later, the number was 1,400, a 2,757 percent increase."
http://www.nola.com/opinions/index.ssf/2015/04/school_prison_pipeline.html
School-to-prison pipeline ignores difference between misbehavior and crime
"In 2012, Judge Steven C. Teske, a juvenile court judge in Georgia, told the Senate Subcommittee on Constitution, Civil Rights and Human Rights, that the attention of prosecutors in Clayton County had been diverted away "from the more difficult evidentiary and 'scary' cases -- burglary, robberies, car thefts, aggravated assaults with weapons." They had instead turned "to prosecuting kids that are not 'scary,' but made an adult mad."
That judge said the year before police were placed in the schools in his county, there had been 49 students referred to juvenile court. Eight years later, the number was 1,400, a 2,757 percent increase."
http://www.nola.com/opinions/index.ssf/2015/04/school_prison_pipeline.html
Londo_Jowo
Lifer
This occurred in Virginia and in most cases once a juvenile has reached adulthood their juvenile record will be expunged provided they do not commit any further felonies.
Londo_Jowo
Lifer
Huh? Did you not read Subyman's post?
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37359334&postcount=28
This occurred in Lynchburg Va, not Clayton County, GA or New Orleans, LA.
Read the article. As I said , it's about both the individual case (with a bit more detail) and the larger context (also with some detail).
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You can have a record without a conviction. The school can keep a record. In this case. As you've said there is little information available, but without the kid actually pulling a gun or some other crazy act as such on the officer I can't see how this is a felony case. Kids have tantrums all the time, can't be giving every kid that have a tantrum criminal convictions. That would be insane.
If this story is true, as it is being presented, I think we may be hearing more about it in the mainstream media.
The justice system is the new mental health care hub. Charge, reassign, medicate, rinse, and repeat.
It's a terrible system, but it's what we have to use now because we shuttered the idea of state sanctioned mental health.
Before everyone gets on their high horse, remember that a huge part of the problem is the electorate. Voters have pushed for zero-tolerance and given all the power the prosecutors, taking them away from judges and piling up the years for each charge. Change starts with each of us.
werepossum
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I don't think that's really true. I don't know a single person outside of the education field who has ever defended zero tolerance, and few of those. It's a cop out, a way to shed responsibility so that it's not your decision, it's "the system". The whole thing is doubly ironic, first because our education system has turned into a bastion of willing stupidity and second because the same movement that banned physical punishment is charging 11 year olds with felonies in adult court.
It should take a major atrocity for an 11 year old to ever be charged as an adult, never for something like this. "Bust his ass and send him back to class" is way better than "charge him and send him to prison".
rudeguy
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if you would like to disagree, please feel free to offer an intelligent argument as to why.
Your idiotic trolling is tired and played out.
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With prosecutors getting more powerful and parents ready to sue at the drop of a hat should something happen to their little snowflake, do you really think zero-tolerance is only supported in educational circles? The problem is us. That's the truth.
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