1150 or 2011 ? more popular

phasseshifter

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which mobo out of the intell range is more popular i am an AMD man at heart..but i dont like to be sitting here with out at least one intell machine running win/dual boot linux...so my ? is this which is the most preferred in intell i know there is many choices..i dont need it for gaming but i would like an rog board...
 
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BonzaiDuck

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Actually, this is a question I contemplate for myself in the plan to build a new machine in 2015. People will say all sorts of things: "Wait for Skylake;" "Wait for Broadwell;" etc. I no longer need to get the latest-greatest-most-recently-released hardware. Putting it another way: I can delay a building a machine with this year's current hardware -- until next year.

So I've been studying the posts here at the forums and reviews of socket-2011 and socket-1150 motherboards, processors . . . RAM.

For socket-2011-v3, you would purchase quad-channel DDR4 RAM at some expense. DDR4 is still relatively new (another reason I'll wait until next year). So you could expect better RAM kits to become available "as time goes by."

You can purchase a hex-core i7-5820K Haswell "E" processor for socket 2011 and the X99 chipset for maybe $350+. You will not get built-in Intel graphics, but for most people, a dGPU is preferred anyway. With that processor, limited to 28 PCI-E lanes, you should be able to have "tri-SLI" if you want it.

The Haswell E processors are fabricated with the older and more expensive method of attaching the IHS/processor-cap with Indium solder.

The i7-4790K quad-core "Devils Canyon" processor for socket 1150 uses a "polymer TIM" instead of indium solder, but supposedly eliminates thermal issues of the earlier Ivy Bridge processors that preceded Haswell.

If you intend to overclock your system, you can do it -- with some attention to CPU cooling. You will only get so far using heatpipe cooling technology. You can take the Devils Canyon (socket-1150) from its spec turbo-speed of 4.4 Ghz to 4.6 or 4.7, but indications seem to suggest that it won't amount to much in performance gains. You can overclock the Haswell E processors in different feasible ranges depending on whether you choose the i7-5960X ($1,000+), the i7-5930K or the i7-5820K. The latter model offers to most overclocking promise, with expectations ranging from maybe 4.4 Ghz to 4.6/4.7.

You can examine projects of other forum members as they explored their own cooling solutions. HEre is a recent project for the i7-4790K socket-1150:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2408847

And here is a recent project (in progress) for the i7-5820K socket-2011-v3:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2407453

You should also ask yourself the question as to whether you really "need" or want six cores and 12 threads (hyperthreading), or whether 4 cores (8 threads (with HT) is more than sufficient. If you plan on doing a lot of rendering and encoding which would actually use those extra cores, then the Haswell E is more reasonable. But most games won't use that extra power.

What is "more popular" and "less popular," I can't say. Some folks build high-end systems for the processing-power, bragging rights, curiosity -- any number of reasons. The Devils CAnyon, on the other hand, is a very powerful quad-core CPU.

The ROG boards are very popular and offer more features than many folks may use. On the other hand, there are "mid-range" ASUS boards with equal phase-power design which would overclock just as well: they don't have all the extras of the ROG boards.

So it also depends on your budget and usage patterns. I still haven't made up my own mind completely. But I offer you these thoughts about it. They should be worth something: I'm exclusively an "Intel guy."

And on the matter of budget, you would only need DDR3 RAM for the socket-1150 option. Maybe you already have DDR3 from your AMD boxes that are equally compatible with your Intel motherboard choices.
 

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thanks for that info .... well i am sort of in the same boat as you r....i think quad core would be plentiful but i do want a high end chip-set..even if i don't use all it`s features...i am building it as a coarse of bettering my knowledge with intel...so yes the quad cor ..but mobos i need one that does not come with on-board video..i find it clutters the whole reason for having an add on video card i plan to use my r9 700 ati giga and i have 2133X4 4 gig ares g skill ram an GS800 corsair supp so all i need is mobo and cpu...could you pleas ad vise with regards to this matter please...i will be using a sideon 120 cooler master as cooling...
 
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2011 boards can be had for a song(of what they once were), that said 1150 is cheap. Unless you need the PCI-E lanes, and 2011 does NOT auto run PCI-E 3.0 (it has to be forced). so if you need them then 2011 if not get a nice mid range board, of course a K CPU for the unlock. I want to step up to 2011v3 but the RAM is sky high, I don't think they sold as many v3'S as they did the original 2011. I'm not knocking them, cause if I had the money but truth is I don't................

@Mr B watch and see how many 2011 v3 boards are for sale soon, might take a few weeks but they will come.
 
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thanks for that info .... well i am sort of in the same boat as you r....i think quad core would be plentiful but i do want a high end chip-set..even if i don't use all it`s features...i am building it as a coarse of bettering my knowledge with intel...so yes the quad cor ..but mobos i need one that does not come with on-board video..i find it clutters the whole reason for having an add on video card i plan to use my r9 700 ati giga and i have 2133X4 4 gig ares g skill ram an GS800 corsair supp so all i need is mobo and cpu...could you pleas ad vise with regards to this matter please...i will be using a sideon 120 cooler master as cooling...

Four years ago, I had this discussion with a friend who is no less naïve for being an "enthusiast." I won't get into discussing the detours he took with his projects, but since he got some parts for free, I guess he "did alright."

But the purist approach that would almost assume that the "extra silicon" of a built-in GPU (iGPU) is some sort of burden is misguided if not wrong.

I don't regret building my Sandy Bridge "K" rigs with the Intel graphics 3000, but I use dGPUs. For a long time, I had the iGPU and dGPU working together with the Lucid Virtu software bundled with my motherboard. Disabling the iGPU is only a matter of selecting "PCI_E" for boot video preference.

And if you want to take pains selecting your dGPU, you can run the system-build-in-progress with the iGPU until you're ready to put the dGPU card(s) in the system.

The Z97 motherboards (I assume you would use a Z97 board) only provide the monitor ports for the iGPU -- which is part of the processor. This is "different" from older systems that had the entire set of graphics hardware on the motherboard. For instance, "nForce" graphics for the old 775 boards with NVidia chipsets.
 

phasseshifter

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um well i bought an msi z97 pc mate 1150 and a dual core g3258 cpu
i just got it running works fine
well being a amd man and generally sticking to the mainstream mobos well the mobo i prolly paid a little 2 much 4
and the cpu cpu=70$ aud mobo 135$..it was convenient
any way the cpu temp with Linux is around 35C about normal for the on board sensors
the bios is like holy moly..um well i got my work cut out 4 me it`s interesting ... if not anything else a lot of different to amd
running the dual core at 3500Mhz all is good
all the rest of the system as follows which i had lying around so no extra cost was needed

corsair GS800 pwr supp
ares g-skill 2133X4 4gig sticks
pyro patriot 120 gig ssd
sideon 120 cooler master liquid cooler
antec df-85 tower
win7 pro
 
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If you ask me, if you wanna spend $200+ on a mobo you should be looking at the 5820K/X99 not S1150. Please don't do stupid shit like $200+ on mobo, $100 on cooling to overclock a $240/340 S1150 K CPU when 5820K/X99 is barely $600. Paying a premium for DDR4 and a better OCing chip with extra 2 cores is very well worth it for future proofing.
 

BonzaiDuck

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If you ask me, if you wanna spend $200+ on a mobo you should be looking at the 5820K/X99 not S1150. Please don't do stupid shit like $200+ on mobo, $100 on cooling to overclock a $240/340 S1150 K CPU when 5820K/X99 is barely $600. Paying a premium for DDR4 and a better OCing chip with extra 2 cores is very well worth it for future proofing.

I think I did "stupid shit" this autumn, but it just pushes back any schedule for building one of these Hassy systems. $85 on an extra board, ~$100 for a 4x4GB DDR3-1600 kit -- the rest in spare parts I already had. The cooler was ~ $52.

Toys to play with . . . .
 

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as i am liquid with a great deal of spare part`s and an abundance of time..i will do with my money what i would like to do i dont tell you how to spend your money..or life for that matter...
 

BonzaiDuck

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as i am liquid with a great deal of spare part`s and an abundance of time..i will do with my money what i would like to do i dont tell you how to spend your money..or life for that matter...

You must be directing the remark at StrangerGuy.

You're certainly right about that: spend what you want on what you want. Some folks are trying to build Max PC Dream Machines here! Nothing wrong with that!

It probably belongs in the "Politics" forum, but I object when some tin-pan cornpone s***a** wants to spend a couple trillion of "our" money because his cronies would make big bucks from it in certain industries -- responding to some sissy in a penthouse whining that "Saddam wants to kill his/her poodle Fluffie." Or when they spend money and make mistakes putting millions out of work. Or they put 30,000 US engineers out of work, grab a $300 million "golden hand-shake," pontificate on TLC about the gur-reat wealth creators to which we owe all, and then tell voters in their US Senate campaign that they can "create jobs." This is the free-market economist speaking, who has turned so far Left after these excesses that he's "darker than pink." Embrace Class Struggle, I say! There's strength in numbers!

I DID IT, THOUGH!! I spent $300+ in September for a 2700K, because I'm a hardware addict and after 8 months of watching flea-bay and reseller sites and telling myself "no, no, no!" -- well -- I bought it. And then I took detours finding "just an old spare motherboard." I could PERSONALLY regret all this, but our colleagues so far haven't made me feel like an idiot, and I have to say: It's a helluva nice computer!

It's just not a Haswell or "E".

Spend your money! It's . . . "your" . . . MONEY! Not mine -- not "ours."
 

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I really would wait for skylake; it isn't so much the latest greatest thing in this case but I just built a haswell refresh I7 and to be quite frank it is not much better than a sandy bridge box. There are several interesting changes to skylake that make it more interesting. It isn't just about performance. As for 2011 vs 1150; I would go with 1150 with regards to cost/performance.
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Oh other thing; i7-4790K runs very hot with stock cooler; never had this issue with sandybridge or anything earlier. Even without overclocking you should plan on an after market cooler solution if you go with the I7-4790K. Having said that some of the pentinums are fantastic bang for the buck.
 

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Also, I've heard 2011 overclocks better with lower temps, which can lead to quieter fans, which i really want. I want a quiet gaming system.
 

BonzaiDuck

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Also, I've heard 2011 overclocks better with lower temps, which can lead to quieter fans, which i really want. I want a quiet gaming system.

On one hand, the E's are fabricated with the traditional indium solder between die and IHS. On the other hand, Devils Canyon has supposedly eliminated the Ivy-Bridge TIM-and-gap problem with some "special polymer" and better attention to the IHS/die gap.

We've got an example in the Cases/Cooling forum of a 4790K project using an H80 AiO cooler and thoughtful fan deployment in a small case. The OP there -- WGusler -- reported a 4.6 Ghz overclock giving him 70C load temperatures.

I'm not sure if I remember which stress program he used, but we're forewarned now: we don't need to uselessly stress with the AVX2 instruction-set extension, which can be turned off in some of those programs.

That's a promising result -- 70C. But the OP also reported that he didn't get a change in benchie scores comparing 4.4 Ghz and 4.6. He said at 4.4, his load temperatures were around 57C.

What I find -- and through the years, actually -- is that the enthusiast noise-fetish obsession has resulted in a few needless things:

-- Over-investment in expensive cooling solutions
-- Limp fan choices
-- Unwillingness to explore motherboard thermal-fan-control
-- Failure to wring maximum cooling-effectiveness from both air (heatpipe) and AiO coolers

I won't belabor my successes to date -- I'd said it too many times. But I've deployed two Gentle Typhoon AP-30 fans, each as an exhaust-puller drawing air from my heatpipes, and each in a different Sandy Bridge system. They're tuned to spin up to a maximum 3,500/3,600 RPM at CPU temperatures above 70C (rated top-end is 4,200). There's pretty much no noise whatever at 3,200, and the noise at 70 is mostly white-noise or air-turbulence. Of course, I muffled the fans acoustically for a few dollars and a few hours work. Fact is, on the second system (2700K), I just threw in a ThermalRight blue-rubber accordion duct, and no acoustical attentions necessary with that one.

So the only noise occurs under severe stress-testing. During games, I can hear occasional bursts of air-turbulence, but you hear that on a summer-day through the room AC vent.

I'm still "up in the air" about DC versus E chips for my next build. You can get decent, quiet clocks from a 5960X with a dual-fan AiO like the Nepton 240 or 280. I could use a top-end heatpipe cooler with the strategy I and WGusler use, and break even. But I'm giving the Devils Canyon a serious look . .

Don't wait on me, though! The fat lady hasn't sung yet!