11-28-06 "Neocons" abandon Iraq war at White House front door

dmcowen674

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I haven't called Republicans "Neocons" since before the 2004 Election.

Looks like since they lost that it has become fashionable again to use that term by the press.

Things like this are starting to put history back on track to what was supposed to be written.

I will admit I was worried there for a while that Republicans would actually somehow pull off re-writing history in their own phoney terms.

Thank God that will not happen and thank God there is a at least a small chance the U.S. can be saved. That chance will come down to small percentage in 2008.

11-28-2006 'Neocons' abandon Iraq war at White House front door

The intellectual godfathers of the ruinous Iraq war - "neoconservatives" who insisted it would be a breeze to invade Iraq and transform it into a beacon of democracy in the Middle East - are jumping ship and pointing fingers.

Their scurrying defection is a telling measure of how poorly the war is going and how bleak the outlook is.

The neoconservative version of history is that the Iraq war was good idea undone by Bush administration incompetence after Saddam Hussein fell.

The pretext, of course, was that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction that represented an imminent threat to U.S. security.

It's important not to buy the new self-serving line from the neoconservatives, some of whom are already beating the drums for a pre-emptive attack on Iran's nuclear program. Recovering the international goodwill squandered in Iraq, and dealing wisely with the threats from Iran and North Korea, requires facing the mistakes squarely.

Although, on Sunday, the 1,347-day-old Iraq war was being compared in duration to WWII, the lessons are better drawn from Vietnam. Gen. Colin Powell, secretary of State in President Bush's first term, said his Vietnam generation learned from that experience to go into conflicts only with a defined mission, an overwhelming force and a clear exit strategy - and to reassess quickly if the mission changes.

Unfortunately, in Iraq, the Powell Doctrine took a back seat to neoconservative fantasies.
 

Craig234

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A main loss I see from this is that it gives the whole issue of spreading democracy, of using force against tyrants, a bad name. These people had a selfish agenda most aren't even aware of, involving the theft of the assets of Iraq, and they hid it behind the curtain of the principles of freedom and democracy.

The left has an issue to deal with: how to deal with tyrants in the world. The UN as now set up is clearly inadequate to do so; even the Korean war could not have been approved had the Soviets not been boycotting the UN over the treatment of the Chinese. The left could have used force against tyrants well, with a principelled agenda; now that's more difficult.
 

Lemon law

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Hate to tell you Craig 234, but now the world must inevietably see the USA as the tyrants. The greatest loss here is to US presteige---we used to be a shining example of freedom and principle---and now we are seen as liars mouthing high minded platatudes and doing exactly the opposite---as we embrace dictators far worse than Saddam and run rough shod over international law.

What the neocons fail to realize is the entire Iraq war was flawed from the start, that they were the ones who urged rushing in without adequate troops to secure a peace, and now they blame GWB for only the implementation of their brainfart.

The revisionist historian is always alive and well---but these neocon bunch of revisionist historians are
just about three years late in this latest rerun of history.---had they the courage of their convictions three years ago---their bleating might have done some policy change good---now it can only be seen as a blatant and futile effort at deflecting the blame.---we need to get a clue---invading Iraq was a bad idea from day one.---and our mistake was in believing their ideas had any merit.

So now job one is to round up these neo-con idiots, fire the lot getting them off the public payroll, and to discredit the lot as a bunch morally bankrupt degenerates in future histories.---or are we doomed to just keeping repeating the same mistakes every generation or two?
 

Conky

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You omitted the most important part of that article you quoted which when left out makes it seem almost like real news... in fact it was posted right above the headline you conveniently cut and pasted.

Kennedy was right. Oh, you left that part out too. :p
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Beachboy
You omitted the most important part of that article you quoted which when left out makes it seem almost like real news... in fact it was posted right above the headline you conveniently cut and pasted.

Kennedy was right. Oh, you left that part out too. :p

Dave's ability to alter headlines is almost a given anymore
 

CaptnKirk

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This applies now, more than ever:

After the Bay of Pigs debacle, President John F. Kennedy famously remarked that ?Success has a thousand fathers; failure is an orphan.?
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Beachboy
You omitted the most important part of that article you quoted which when left out makes it seem almost like real news... in fact it was posted right above the headline you conveniently cut and pasted.

Kennedy was right. Oh, you left that part out too. :p

Well Newsflash for you - your heroes lost.
 

ebaycj

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
This applies now, more than ever:

After the Bay of Pigs debacle, President John F. Kennedy famously remarked that ?Success has a thousand fathers; failure is an orphan.?

Too bad our current president is too retarded to come up with something so insightful to say.
 

Conky

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Beachboy
You omitted the most important part of that article you quoted which when left out makes it seem almost like real news... in fact it was posted right above the headline you conveniently cut and pasted.

Kennedy was right. Oh, you left that part out too. :p

Well Newsflash for you - your heroes lost.
My heroes? Well, if I had to pick a side I suppose I would pick the USA's.

And it's still not news. :p

 

Lemon law

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JFK went into the bay of pigs as an easily fooled dupe---sold on the idea that if a foreign force landed on cuban shores the populace would rise up to help defeat Fidel---the exact same assumtion was made with we will be greeted with flowers and candy we saw in Iraq. And the same resulting debacle.

The same lesson applies---don't EVER EVER believe that super optimist who tells you its going to be so very easy.----maybe somewhat of a restatement of Powell doctrine---but look what happened to Powell when he joined the Bush team---20 20 hindsight---we should have retained Powell---and ditched the entire Bush team.

But in a world where fantasy is optimistic reality---the realist has no place.