10GBase-T copper network switches

[Fallen Kell]

Just wondering if anyone has upgraded to any. I know that Ian posted about the Netgear he grabbed (at a really good price), but I haven't seen anything near the deal he managed to get (he maanged to find a Netgear XS724EM for £782 / $858). Best price I have seen is $1500.

 

[sdifox]

Lol for your server farm at home? Wait a few years.

 

[Fallen Kell]

Well it really isn't that far fetched of an issue. We are moving into the age of more and more 4k streaming and 8K is just around the corner. Many high end and workstation boards have network cards that support it. And I personally have a very large collection of HD video that I stream to various devices in the house.

I mean seriously data centers have already moved on to 40Gbit and 100Gbit networking, and yet home use is still relagated to things 40 to 100 times slower. 10Gbit is 2 generations behind the state-of-the-art. You would think that we would have that tech in the home by now. Especially when it can be done over existing CAT6 networks which some have installed (unlike 40 and 100Gbit which uses fibre).

 

[sdifox]

Well it really isn't that far fetched of an issue. We are moving into the age of more and more 4k streaming and 8K is just around the corner. Many high end and workstation boards have network cards that support it. And I personally have a very large collection of HD video that I stream to various devices in the house.

I mean seriously data centers have already moved on to 40Gbit and 100Gbit networking, and yet home use is still related to things 40 to 100 times slower. 10Gbit is 2 generations behind the state-of-the-art. You would think that we would have that tech in the home by now.

go fiber :awe:

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Brocade-510...h=item48b6fb956d:g:6tUAAOSwTztb5IHL:rk:2:pf:0


I am pushing plex through one gigabit port :shrug:

I am rocking a Baystack 5520-48-pwr

Netflix 4k is like 26mbps...

 

[mxnerd]

Like what sdi has said, Netflix 4K streaming only requires around 25Mbps.

So even 4 devices only requires 100Mbps, only 1/10 of 1Gbps.

Why would you need 10Gbps equipments at all?

 

[Red Squirrel]

I kinda like the idea of 10gig for SAN/NAS back end for VM storage but I can't quite justify it yet. I have a quad gig nic waiting to be installed in my storage server next time it needs to be shut down. (it's kinda a huge ordeal to shut down that server so don't do it unless I have to) so I can do some teaming to the switch. Probably still use single gig to each server but at least it will split up traffic a bit. I find NFS itself is my bottleneck, and not the network, though. I eventually want to look at iSCSI or Gluster or something along those lines.

 

[sdifox]

I kinda like the idea of 10gig for SAN/NAS back end for VM storage but I can't quite justify it yet. I have a quad gig nic waiting to be installed in my storage server next time it needs to be shut down. (it's kinda a huge ordeal to shut down that server so don't do it unless I have to) so I can do some teaming to the switch. Probably still use single gig to each server but at least it will split up traffic a bit. I find NFS itself is my bottleneck, and not the network, though. I eventually want to look at iSCSI or Gluster or something along those lines.

That barricade 5100 has your name on it.

I just got a one tb ssd for my VMs.

 

[13Gigatons]

Why would you need 10Gbps equipment at all?

You confuse "need" and "want", people want faster networks after 1Gbps has been around for years now. Also hard drives have gotten faster so it is possible to read and write at faster speeds.

 

[sdifox]

You confuse "need" and "want", people want faster networks after 1Gbps has been around for years now. Also hard drives have gotten faster so it is possible to read and write at faster speeds.

... HDDs have not gotten faster. SSDs however are pretty fast. Still I don't see consumers having the money nor need for ssd nas. And like I said, go used fiber equipment for your network backbone if you need more than gigabit.

A more realistic scenario is ssd caching spinners. Though for the scenario op detailed (video streaming) it won't help much.

 

[mxnerd]

You confuse "need" and "want", people want faster networks after 1Gbps has been around for years now. Also hard drives have gotten faster so it is possible to read and write at faster speeds.

I did not confuse it. People always want better stuff, not just OP. Maybe a lot of people want 50 million mansion & Jay Leno's car collections, but is it realistic?

Used stuff is a lot cheaper though. No switch involved in the following video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAks6qM9jlM

 

[sdifox]

I did not confuse it. People always want better stuff, not just OP. Maybe a lot of people want 50 million mansion & Jay Leno's car collections, but is it realistic?

Used stuff is a lot cheaper though. No switch involved in the following video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAks6qM9jlM

https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/272935569638

Drool

 

[13Gigatons]

Used stuff is a lot cheaper though. No switch involved in the following video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAks6qM9jlM

$100....not bad....recently looked at 8-port Gigabit switch was only $29.....at some point multi-gig is going to show up.

 

[sdifox]

$100....not bad....recently looked at 8-port Gigabit switch was only $29.....at some point multi-gig is going to show up.

Either pay retail premium on home tech or used enteprise stuff for cheap.

Do know that enterprise stuff sucks juice like there is no tomorrow.

I paid C130 for the 48 port gigabit poe switch in Jan 2014.

 

[rchunter]

I still need to get a new switch one of these days. Looking at a 48 port poe with at least a couple sfp+ ports. My 24 port pro curve is totally filled up and has been for a while now. Been trying to hold off though as long as possible.
I'd like 10GbE going to both my servers simply for faster file transfers, it's not necessary but it would be nice to have.

 

[mxnerd]

Do know that enterprise stuff sucks juice like there is no tomorrow.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Speaking of enterprise stuff I had an IBM fibre channel SAN, 4 enclosures, and yeah enterprise stuff sucks power like crazy. I ended up decommissioning those enclosures because of power usage. (too much for my UPS so would have had to upgrade it) and because of how proprietary the drives were. They were normal desktop Maxtor drives, except they have a custom firmware on them. Once you put the drive in a normal machine and put it back in the SAN it won't read. Same if you try to put a normal drive in it. So I felt I didn't want to rely on something where there is no easy upgrade path or a way to replace failed drives.

I want to build a storage pod one of these days and transfer all those drives to it. I have like 56 total lol. They are small though, like 400GB range. The trick is finding a way to connect that many drives to the same system without paying an arm and a leg for expensive SAS cards. Anything over 2 ports (8 drives) gets very expensive.

 

[aigomorla]

https://www.amazon.com/QNAP-QSW-1208-8C-US-12-Port-Unmanaged-10GBASE-T/dp/B07CDJ9YGM

<3!!!

its not nearly anywhere as loud as the Quanta LBM6 i had.
It doesnt cost 1000 dollars like netgear.
It has 12 ports! yes 12! and not 2!

The only thing is the RJ-45 and the SFP+ are shared.
You have 20 ports on the switch, however only 12.

Its a great switch i use for my 10GbE connections using a Mellanox SFP+ 10GBE cards.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MNPA19-XTR...SwXWhb~IlH:sc:UPSGround!90036!US!-1:rk:2:pf:0
^ those...

Or when i decide to go RJ-45 route for 10GBe i can do that without having to replace the switch.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Damn that's actually pretty good. Wonder how much the transceivers go for though and how easy they are to get. I imagine you need to get the same brand/make or are they universal?

 

[mxnerd]

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I want to build a storage pod one of these days and transfer all those drives to it. I have like 56 total lol. They are small though, like 400GB range.

Why not buy some 4TB or 8TB drives to replace those drives? With 8TB drives, you will only have to deal with 3 drives and reduce your electricity bill.

 

[mxnerd]

https://www.amazon.com/QNAP-QSW-1208-8C-US-12-Port-Unmanaged-10GBASE-T/dp/B07CDJ9YGM

<3!!!

its not nearly anywhere as loud as the Quanta LBM6 i had.
It doesnt cost 1000 dollars like netgear.
It has 12 ports! yes 12! and not 2!

The only thing is the RJ-45 and the SFP+ are shared.
You have 20 ports on the switch, however only 12.

Its a great switch i use for my 10GbE connections using a Mellanox SFP+ 10GBE cards.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MNPA19-XTR...SwXWhb~IlH:sc:UPSGround!90036!US!-1:rk:2:pf:0
^ those...

Or when i decide to go RJ-45 route for 10GBe i can do that without having to replace the switch.

I just saw this switch the other day. Totally forgot it.

Yep, this is a great swicth!

 

[Red Squirrel]

Why not buy some 4TB or 8TB drives to replace those drives? With 8TB drives, you will only have to deal with 3 drives and reduce your electricity bill.

Oh I already have a bunch of arrays with 2-3TB drives in my main storage box. But since I already have all those other drives I may as well put them to work at some point. Though probably never going to end up happening. I am indeed better off just using bigger drives. Next raid array I build I'll probably use 8TB drives, maybe 10TB ones. Currently I have a mix of 1, 2 and 3 TB drives across 3 separate arrays. The 1TB drive array is due to be retired at some point so I can free up some slots for bigger drives.

 

[Genx87]

Truth is in the consumer space 10Gbps just isnt needed. So very slow adoption rates have happened. In theory a 10Gbps switch would allow for the AC WAPs to utilize full bandwidth. In reality rarely would an end user actually be able to attain over 1Gbps on their wireless network. Unless the radio was 3 feet from the end user.

I have been thinking about getting a ubquiti 10Gbps switch. If memory servers me correctly. It comes with 4 10Gbps copper and 12 10Gbps SFP ports. But then I need to buy optical cards and the trasceivers for my SAN and Servers. Gets spendy for what I am doing. Which is more less testing. Speed is rarely an issue.

Also should add, in the commercial space. 10Gbps is optical. SANs, and inter-stack connectivity. It is hard to find a 10Gbps Copper switch. They may become more popular on access switches for WAPs. In a commercial setting with dozens of users per WAP. It makes more sense to have a multi-gigabit connection for the WAP. I am honestly thinking about testing out going 100% wireless for end users in a small office to see how it works out. Would say so many switch ports. And make deploying\moving so easy.

 

[aigomorla]

Wonder how much the transceivers go for though and how easy they are to get. I imagine you need to get the same brand/make or are they universal?

is the reach long that would require you to go optical?

Since all my required 10GBE connections are right next to each other, i just run a DAC cable without transceivers.

like here is a DAC for cheap thats 10ft...
https://www.amazon.com/Macroreer-Ub...UTF8&qid=1543867593&sr=8-7&keywords=10gbe+dac

 

[Red Squirrel]

Oh interesting so the transceivers are built right in? Did not know that was a thing. That cable is cheaper than what you could get two transceivers for so probably the best way to go for behind the rack.

Cat6 will do 10gig for a decent distance so it's fine for behind the rack. For long haul you probably do want fibre though.

 

[aigomorla]

Cat6 will do 10gig

yeah but problem is the intel X540-T2 even used can still run you anywhere from 150-400 dollars.
And no i would never trust a X540-t2 that costs less then a 100 dollars because chances are its a fake.
And im very much "needs to be at least Intel class" for nic cards especially ones which will handle transfers at that speed, and demand compatibility for almost any OS thrown at it.

That Mellanox Card only costed me 26 dollars for 2 shipped.
Thank you Infiniband for retiring out most of the SFP+ making that Mellanox card rediculously dirt cheap for 10gbe.