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Now that its sort of there, I put myself in on auto-notifyThe 10900K was available for a few minutes today at Newegg (at $529)
Now that its sort of there, I put myself in on auto-notifyThe 10900K was available for a few minutes today at Newegg (at $529)
I've seen it mentioned a few times here, but 10900K doesnt support anything past avx2. Its still rehashed skylake round 4.With the distributed computing stuff mark does, the intel might have an edge in some things. Anything able to make use of avx512 ?
That won't help what I try to do, or this thread.I've seen it mentioned a few times here, but 10900K doesnt support anything past avx2. Its still rehashed skylake round 4.
You'd need the 10900X hedt for versions of avx-512.
The only distributed computing scenarios with AVX512 that I'm aware of are purpose-written corporate/private projects not open to the public. Would make no sense to pay the premium if nothing on BOINC or F@H can use it.I've seen it mentioned a few times here, but 10900K doesnt support anything past avx2. Its still rehashed skylake round 4.
You'd need the 10900X hedt for versions of avx-512.
For gaming yes. But it's hard to acquire in DIY so it may not even be an option.Is it worth actually buying a Comet Lake CPU right now?
Nope, one more next year, called Rocket Lake.Isn't this supposedly the last 14nm milk for Intel?
For desktop it's another two years for something that's not 14 nm.10nm or 7nm (whatever they call it internally) is around the corner or is it a long way off?
Not really. At least wait until AMD launches their products this year, either Matisse Refresh or Vermeer. Then compare performance. Availability on the 10900k is really poor as well.Is it worth actually buying a Comet Lake CPU right now?
It can. The question is whether they've chosen to do so. As I recall, almost all work units do not utilize it.Why can't F@H use AVX512?
That won't help what I try to do, or this thread.
I just think that other than a few FPS on gaming, its hot and sucks a lot of power. I just ordered my second EPYC 7742. They take 225 watts for 64 cores. Thats at 24/7 @ 100% usage.
Who cares about AVX512. Surely not me.
I was merely pointing out to other users who seemed to think the 10900K had avx512, and that there might be a benefit to that over a zen2 cpu.The only distributed computing scenarios with AVX512 that I'm aware of are purpose-written corporate/private projects not open to the public. Would make no sense to pay the premium if nothing on BOINC or F@H can use it.
Too late. The largest DC application, Folding @ Home, has been using Cuda for years now. I'm not sure whether or not it can be run with OpenCL, but I would imagine that it can.I was merely pointing out to other users who seemed to think the 10900K had avx512, and that there might be a benefit to that over a zen2 cpu.
I think most DC type applications would sooner move to opencl type work, as the gpu power available would be far more than a HEDT/server only instruction set as of now.
It honestly wouldn't matter if it could use it. Only an extremely small percentage of the processors doing all of the different types of distributed computing, at least those owned by individuals and not by companies, are able to run AVX 512 code. That's the reason that more or less all ofIt can. The question is whether they've chosen to do so. As I recall, almost all work units do not utilize it.
Folding at home with gpu is OpenCL only right now, using both SP and DP precision as needed (a22 core). Cpu core is avx-256. Most other projects are still cpu only, though occasionally a gpu project will run for a while. Nearly all cpu projects that I know of utilize avx2 when available.Too late. The largest DC application, Folding @ Home, has been using Cuda for years now. I'm not sure whether or not it can be run with OpenCL, but I would imagine that it can.
Yes, I do all my F@H on GPU, and WCG and Rosetta (BOINC) on CPU. The most efficient CPU is the EPYC series. 7002 series to be exact. This will be my 5th system, and my 3rd Rome system. Naples is barely better than Ryzen.Folding at home with gpu is OpenCL only right now, using both SP and DP precision as needed (a22 core). Cpu core is avx-256. Most other projects are still cpu only, though occasionally a gpu project will run for a while. Nearly all cpu projects that I know of utilize avx2 when available.
I'm of the opinion the money is much better spent towards epyc, as Mark has already done. Anyone who buys a 10900K for something outside of gaming either has a specific workload that happens to work better on intel, perf/watt be damned, or they have their head in the sand. (Competitive overclocking gets an exception)
This page led me to believe that: https://foldingathome.org/faqs/gpu3-common/frequently-asked-questions/what-gpus-are-supported/for-nvidia/ Note that I am not saying that you are wrong.Folding at home with gpu is OpenCL only right now, using both SP and DP precision as needed (a22 core). Cpu core is avx-256. Most other projects are still cpu only, though occasionally a gpu project will run for a while. Nearly all cpu projects that I know of utilize avx2 when available.
This page led me to believe that: https://foldingathome.org/faqs/gpu3-common/frequently-asked-questions/what-gpus-are-supported/for-nvidia/ Note that I am not saying that you are wrong.
In F@H, Nvidia cards are almost double the PPD/$ of AMD cards. I think its due to all the calculations are not double precision, THERE AMD cards KILL Nvidia.Mark, do you happen to know why most people use nVidia cards for F@H, when AMD cards have always dominated, when it came to OpenCL performance?
Ahh, that makes perfect sense. Thanks for the clarification.In F@H, Nvidia cards are almost double the PPD/$ of AMD cards. I think its due to all the calculations are not double precision, THERE AMD cards KILL Nvidia.
I was looking at a build a guy is considering in Computer Building. I looked at the board you mention, but he mentioned the Asus Prime Z490 A. It looks significantly better in VRM and, supposedly, memory performance, for only $30 more.For everyone, please let me know feedback on
ASUS TUF GAMING Z490-PLUS (WI-FI) LGA 1200
Its $200 just like my 3900x board, and the name is the close ASUS Prime X470-Pro AM4 AMD
Thanks, If I ever can find the CPU for sale, I will go that route.I was looking at a build a guy is considering in Computer Building. I looked at the board you mention, but he mentioned the Asus Prime Z490 A. It looks significantly better in VRM and, supposedly, memory performance, for only $30 more.