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1080Ti still shows us how bad the 2080Ti/2080 was

BFG10K

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A timely article:



1080Ti had huge gains in specs and performance over the 980Ti for basically the same price, at a much smaller die size.

In contrast it's horrifically shocking how overpriced and underperforming the 2080Ti was relative to the 1080Ti, especially given the overall failure of ray-tracing/DLSS. An absolute turd of a card.

Part 2 is up (2080):


You can clearly see 8GB is not enough in Doom Eternal 4K even though the 2080 is more than fast enough to normally handle it. A frametime graph there would show noticeable stutter.
 
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loki1944

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2080Ti IS better than the 1080Ti, but yeah, it's nothing like the relative gains going from 680 to 780Ti to 980Ti to 1080Ti.
 

thecoolnessrune

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Those folks who got a 1080Ti right at launch got a hell of a value. I got mine just about when GPU prices started really spiking (got mine for about $775), and for going on near 3 years now, it's held out far better than I expected to.
 

EliteRetard

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RTX 2000 was a good way to make the RTX3000 almost look reasonably priced.

I think a fair wish price would be:

$1000 3090
$600 3080
$400 3070
$250 3060
$150 3050

I really hope AMD was expecting this performance gain, and planned to match accordingly.
Unfortunately I don't think they could have produced a GPU 4 times faster than the 5700XT.
 

sxr7171

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We knew when we bought it. It’s just we were so hungry for any increase at that point.

Seriously a joke of a card. Couldn’t even overclock much and no BIOS modding either.
 

loki1944

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We knew when we bought it. It’s just we were so hungry for any increase at that point.

Seriously a joke of a card. Couldn’t even overclock much and no BIOS modding either.
I sure hope they don't pull this crap with the 3000 series.
 

CP5670

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This also shows how good the 1080ti still is. I got a used one on here for $550 or so a few years ago, and it still runs 90% of the games I play at 4K just fine.
 

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Those folks who got a 1080Ti right at launch got a hell of a value. I got mine just about when GPU prices started really spiking (got mine for about $775), and for going on near 3 years now, it's held out far better than I expected to.
I got mine on launch day at MSRP. It was definitely one hell of a purchase. Not impressed with the current prices so it looks like I might be playing the waiting game until Big Navi or just waiting it out another generation which is usually unprecedented for me
 
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blckgrffn

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I got mine on launch day at MSRP. It was definitely one hell of a purchase. Not impressed with the current prices so it looks like I might be playing the waiting game until Big Navi or just waiting it out another generation which is usually unprecedented for me
With those clocks and the awesome water cooling setup you clearly must have, waiting would seem to make a lot of sense to me. You're getting awesome mileage out of that.
 

sxr7171

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I sure hope they don't pull this crap with the 3000 series.
Well if you get the 3090 expect the 3080ti to reduce its value. But all tech loses value. What choice did we have for 2 years but to suck it up and get the 2000 series? This time AMD has made them competitive up to $700. Seems like they’ll own everything above that. Or maybe they are waiting with the 3080ti to see what AMD brings. So if AMD can compete in the $1000 price bracket we’ll get a great 3080ti. If they cannot then $1499 it is if you want that last 20% which is not insignificant.
 

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Pricing and availability on the 30 series is likely to be bad for a good while. Should be a glut of high end 20 series on the used market, as everyone tries to unload them before a sub $600 3070 shows up.

Like many, I resell my stuff when I upgrade, so I think of it as renting. My response to the 2080ti was - the rent is too dang high!
 
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Aikouka

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The yield issue of the 2080ti is the culprit I guess
I figured that yields were one reason why we saw poor pricing. Although, one might suspect that prices would adjust as yields improved, but realistically, why would Nvidia change their price? They literally have no competition on the high end from anyone. In regard to the yields, one issue related to it isn't just how the 2080 Ti was manufactured on a new process from TSMC, but it's also a huge GPU. In regard to die area, the 2080 is 545mm², the 1080 Ti is 471mm², and the 2080 Ti is 754mm². The 2080 Ti was 38.34% bigger than the 2080, and 60.08% bigger than the 1080 Ti. A new process and a large die size... that's pretty much a double-whammy in regard to effective yields.

Although, I think one aspect that also hurt 2000-series pricing was the inclusion of ray-tracing. Ray-tracing not only took extra die space, but it also added extra R&D and support cost to the entire product line. (I do wonder how much Nvidia had to coax developers to add ray-tracing into their games.) It would be interesting to see what the pricing of the 2000 series would have been without ray-tracing.
 

sxr7171

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I figured that yields were one reason why we saw poor pricing. Although, one might suspect that prices would adjust as yields improved, but realistically, why would Nvidia change their price? They literally have no competition on the high end from anyone. In regard to the yields, one issue related to it isn't just how the 2080 Ti was manufactured on a new process from TSMC, but it's also a huge GPU. In regard to die area, the 2080 is 545mm², the 1080 Ti is 471mm², and the 2080 Ti is 754mm². The 2080 Ti was 38.34% bigger than the 2080, and 60.08% bigger than the 1080 Ti. A new process and a large die size... that's pretty much a double-whammy in regard to effective yields.

Although, I think one aspect that also hurt 2000-series pricing was the inclusion of ray-tracing. Ray-tracing not only took extra die space, but it also added extra R&D and support cost to the entire product line. (I do wonder how much Nvidia had to coax developers to add ray-tracing into their games.) It would be interesting to see what the pricing of the 2000 series would have been without ray-tracing.
I mean we all knew (those who bought it) that we were early adopters for the RTX machinery. Now everyone else can benefit. Most of us knew RTX was a waste of time. However some of us needed the extra rasterization performance and NVidia has been training us to spend $1200 on their Titan level.

From a pure price/performance aspect nothing touches the 1080ti. It even traded blows with the titan xp.
 

Makaveli

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Those folks who got a 1080Ti right at launch got a hell of a value. I got mine just about when GPU prices started really spiking (got mine for about $775), and for going on near 3 years now, it's held out far better than I expected to.
I've said this many times anyone that bought a 1080ti on launch was probably the best GPU investment in years.

This also shows how good the 1080ti still is. I got a used one on here for $550 or so a few years ago, and it still runs 90% of the games I play at 4K just fine.
You will have to details it plays 90% of my games at 4k fine when a 2080ti struggles at 4k.

What games do you play?

On a side note I love people trying to firesale their 2080ti for $1000-$1500 that i'm seeing dying of laughter.
 

Hans Gruber

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You will have to details it plays 90% of my games at 4k fine when a 2080ti struggles at 4k.

What games do you play?

On a side note I love people trying to firesale their 2080ti for $1000-$1500 that i'm seeing dying of laughter.
Has anybody spoke of the high death rate of 2080ti cards? Nobody bought them and those who did. They found they died very early and RMA'd them.
 

Makaveli

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Has anybody spoke of the high death rate of 2080ti cards? Nobody bought them and those who did. They found they died very early and RMA'd them.
I thought that was only an issue with the first couple batches and was sorted out in later shipments.
 

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On a side note I love people trying to firesale their 2080ti for $1000-$1500 that i'm seeing dying of laughter.
Correction: A firesale means a huge discount, not near MSRP.

Twitter is blowing up with posts about people actually firesale pricing their 2080 and higher cards today. Someone in Tampa sold one for $250 or some ridiculous price. I guess the marketing propaganda is working, users think their card is suddenly worthless. Might be able to scoop up a killer deal if you start looking.
 
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Makaveli

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Correction: A firesale means a huge discount, not near MSRP.

Twitter is blowing up with posts about people actually firesale pricing their 2080 and higher cards today. Someone in Tampa sold one for $250 or some ridiculous price. I guess the marketing propaganda is working, users think their card is suddenly worthless. Might be able to scoop up a killer deal if you start looking.
Correct wrong choice of word there.

For me personally I'm waiting for RDNA2!
 

CP5670

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You will have to details it plays 90% of my games at 4k fine when a 2080ti struggles at 4k.

What games do you play?
I play a mix of older and newer titles, various FPS, RPG, racing, etc., mostly singleplayer only. Anything indie or over 4-5 years old gets around 60fps at max settings at 4K, with occasional drops to 50 or so. For newer AAA games, I find that a lot of them run poorly at "ultra" settings, but run far better at "high" or "medium" settings while looking very similar. I'm interested in the newer cards for VR and 4K at 120hz, but not for any particular game except maybe Cyberpunk.
 
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