1080p or not

[pdaunt]

Made a decision to go with an 8800 ultra

Now for a display

Looking at a
Hanns·G HW-223DPB 22" wide and advertises its 1080p
res 1600 x 1050
type WSXGA+
resp 5m/s
cost $260

or

SAMSUNG 226BW 22" wide has a lot better looking case then the prev
res 1600 x 1050
type WSXGA
resp 2m/s
cost $315

Which would you recommend?
Why is one 1080p if there they have the same resolution?
Why is it so much cheaper?

 

[n7]

Neither are 1080p.
Neither are great LCDs either.

True 1080p is 1920x1080 resolution.
Those LCDs can only do 1680x1050 max.

Look into a nice non-TN 24" if you want a good 1080p display.

 

[hennessy1]

Bought 2 of these VX2835WM. They are sold out now on newegg but are very good monitors. Very good price especially for the size.

 

[pdaunt]

Thats what I thought

Those monitors look great but seeing that a good 22" goes to about the mid $300 mark and 24" start at $440
I would really looking to spend under $400

So in other words which one would u recommend for under $400?
I guess it isnt going to be a true 1080p (damn liers)

 

[Noubourne]

1080p isn't important for a computer anyway. It's important for HDTV.

If you are mainly interested in gaming, then having a monitor capable of 1920x1200 (PC monitors are 16:10, not 16:9) isn't going to get you anything except the ability to play 1080p movies and media at "true" resolution. Scaling it down to 1680x1050 is going to be a negligible difference if any at all, on a 20-odd inch screen.

I doubt it's possible to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on anything smaller than 50". Unless you have bionic vision or something.

That said, you're sort of wasting some of the power of the Ultra on 1680. Why not get the GTX and toss the extra cash at a nice 23"+ LCD to watch it on?

 

[pdaunt]

Thank you that was a very informative post, it clears up the fact that there isnt much diffrence between 1080p and a regular monitor. it does make sense that I should go for a gtx, but having different thoughts on a 23"er seems that newegg only has 2 on its site (not saying that only 2 exist) one of them is 2 grand and the other I hear is terrible.
any monitors out there with a good value.

 

[themisfit610]

I doubt it's possible to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on anything smaller than 50". Unless you have bionic vision or something.

Are you serious? You can't possibly be.

The difference is obvious, even on a 21" CRT. I have both a G500 trinitron and a 24" BenQ wide LCD, and when both of them are set to 1920 horizontal pixels (1920x1440 for the CRT and 1920x1200 - native for the BenQ), I can play 720p and then 1080p content, and the difference is quite apparent. 720p -> 1080p is almost as big of a jump as 480p (DVD) -> 720p.

On a 50 inch 720p panel, the pixels are CLEARLY visible if you stand close. If you can't tell a difference, you've probably got a crappy source, maybe something SD that was upscaled, or overprocessed by the TVs image processing.

Also, to answer pdaunt, I wholeheartedly recommend the BenQ 24". It's a fantastic monitor, and can be had for cheap refurbished straight from the manufacturer at benqshopper.com. I got mine for under $500.

~MiSfit

 

[pcmodem]

Also, to answer pdaunt, I wholeheartedly recommend the BenQ 24". It's a fantastic monitor, and can be had for cheap refurbished straight from the manufacturer at benqshopper.com. I got mine for under $500.

~MiSfit

Damn... $729 at NewEgg, $429 for a refurbished one at BenQshopper... tempting. argh.




Cheers,
PCM

 

[chizow]

1080p does make a big difference on PC if its native 1:1 1080p. As others stated, that's 1920x1080 which is 1920x1200 for PC LCDs, which start with the 23/24" mainstream panels. Those 22" are 1680x1050 I believe, like most 22" panels. The difference between the resolutions relative to the panel size is pretty extreme and with a 8800 Ultra anything less than 16x12 or 19x12 wouldn't be doing it justice.

 

[pdaunt]

due to the amount of money involed in getting a 24" (sry if i seem cheap, someone has to pay for college) i think im going with a 8800 gtx and a SAMSUNG 226BW Black 22"

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: pdaunt
due to the amount of money involed in getting a 24" (sry if i seem cheap, someone has to pay for college) i think im going with a 8800 gtx and a SAMSUNG 226BW Black 22"

You bought an Ultra and you're complaining about money lol. Well, there is a price difference but I think the gap has closed considerably, maybe $300 vs. $500-600. Also, a 24" with 1:1 is perfect for a college dorm room or as a 2nd TV, as it basically doubles as a good-sized HDTV. So, if you were planning on buying a TV also, you can just throw that money into your LCD and call it a day.

 

[pdaunt]

yea!! that was what i was going to use it for. maybe ill wait out on it for a little bit longer so i can raise an extra 100 for a refurbished one. but i was hoping on having a full hd setup when i started this
HD tv tuner
HD compatible GPU
etc.
i thought that a 22" would be enough for a tv but if a 24 gives you a full 1080p resolution then so be it
so if i were to go for the 24" should i get a ultra or gtx (and i hear 8 series prices might go down in nov due to the 9 series launch!?!?)

 

[superbooga]

Size is more important than 1080p or 1:1 for TV displays. The nature of most TV content (natural images, soft edges, low frequency, gradual changes, flesh tones, etc.) make 1080p or 1:1 less important than you think. If I played back BD or HD-DVD content on a 24" screen, you would not be able to tell the difference between 1080p and 720p from more than a few feet away.

However, for a computer use (black text on white background) it's a totally different story.

If you are using going to use a computer monitor as a TV, then you should get something larger, at least 24" Being able to display 1080p 1:1 is just a bonus.

 

[Laminator]

For computer use, though, you're going to be no more than 2-3 feet from your computer and you would be able to see the difference between 720p and 1080p. Maybe it's less noticeable for some people but non-native resolutions on LCD's makes things look like utter crap. 3D graphics at non-native resolutions on a good LCD monitor can look pretty good but the fuzz is still there, and it only gets worse for 2D. If you have a low-quality LCD monitor, like those on laptops, non-native resolutions are unusably bad.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: pdaunt
yea!! that was what i was going to use it for. maybe ill wait out on it for a little bit longer so i can raise an extra 100 for a refurbished one. but i was hoping on having a full hd setup when i started this
HD tv tuner
HD compatible GPU
etc.
i thought that a 22" would be enough for a tv but if a 24 gives you a full 1080p resolution then so be it
so if i were to go for the 24" should i get a ultra or gtx (and i hear 8 series prices might go down in nov due to the 9 series launch!?!?)

You will need some type of HD tv tuner, but if your apartment or dorm has cable/satellite, the HD box will perform this function and connect to your LCD via component/hdmi/dvi etc. You'll also need some type of sound solution, a receiver or all-in-one that accepts multiple inputs would be ideal here.

As for the GTX and Ultra, I think the only difference is slightly faster RAM modules, a beefier HSF and perhaps some hand-picked/binned cores. Personally I don't think even the G80 is running into bandwidth limitations beyond 1000MHz DDR (2000Mhz effective), but potentially being able to push the core higher on the Ultra is something to consider. Still, in terms of pricing I think the cheapest GTX is at least $100 cheaper than the cheapest Ultra and if you OC the GTX you should be able to hit similar clock speeds.

I wouldn't expect too much of a drop in price on the 8-series though, most likely the 9-series will be introduced with a new high-end along with a GTS part that will perform similarly to the current GTX. The GTX/Ultra would then go EOL before dropping too much.

 

[heyheybooboo]

IMO any resolution outside of a flat panel native resolution suffers degradation because the pixels are fixed

 

[pdaunt]

yea i was planing on getting a TV Wonder 650 - High Definition for a tv tuner. just to have a hd compatible tuner for a future upgrade i dont have hd service i just have analog cable.
the monitor wont be anymore then 20ft away so i was just thinking that i was just wondering if a 24" was overkill

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: themisfit610
Also, to answer pdaunt, I wholeheartedly recommend the BenQ 24". It's a fantastic monitor, and can be had for cheap refurbished straight from the manufacturer at benqshopper.com. I got mine for under $500.

~MiSfit

All Sales Final, and only a 90-day warranty? That's crap, for a supposedly factory-refurb display. They should offer at least a year warranty. Indeed, what's with the All Sales Final, that seems to indicate that you cannot return the monitor, even if defective? Bogus.

 

[GFORCE100]

For an 8800GTX Ultra I would recommend going the 24 inch route if money is tight as that gives you 1920x1200 which is more upmarket resolution giving you better picture quality and more screen estate when working in 2D.

1920x1200 is popular with 24-27 inch LCD monitors depending if you like smaller text or more clear text at the cost of minor granularity difference (27 inch model).

Check out the 24" LCD reviews and take your pick. The cheaper ones will be TN panels, with the professional series models either S-IPS or S-PVA these days.

The AL2623W is probably the cheapest 26 inch LCD panel right now for those on a budget yet aiming to please. It's an LG/Philips S-IPS panel.

 

[SickBeast]

I would say get an 8800GTS and put the savings toward getting a Dell 2407FPW.

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: n7
Neither are 1080p.
Neither are great LCDs either.

True 1080p is 1920x1080 resolution.
Those LCDs can only do 1680x1050 max.

Look into a nice non-TN 24" if you want a good 1080p display.

The 226bw is not a great LCD - it is an outstanding LCD.

 

[themisfit610]

All Sales Final, and only a 90-day warranty? That's crap, for a supposedly factory-refurb display. They should offer at least a year warranty. Indeed, what's with the All Sales Final, that seems to indicate that you cannot return the monitor, even if defective? Bogus.

Yes, you can't return the monitor. If it's defective, they will replace it.