1070 vs Ti vs Vega 56 at equivalent price

[happy medium]

A rtx2070 will be 20% faster than a Vega 64 for $500 , releasing next month.

 

[Markfw]

A rtx2070 will be 20% faster than a Vega 64 for $500 , releasing next month.

Since none of the RTX series are going for MSRP, how would you know that ? And how do you know its 20% faster ? Its not out yet.

 

[Ottonomous]

A rtx2070 will be 20% faster than a Vega 64 for $500 , releasing next month.

20% faster than a Vega 64/1080? So it'll be that close to the 1080Ti/2080, with literally a fifth less Cuda Cores than the latter?

Why would nvidia murder 2080 sales like that?

 

[happy medium]

I thought the 1080ti was 35% faster than a 1080?
Well the rtx2070 performance will be smack in between those cards.

Its a mathematical certainty.
Mark my words.
And msrp is supposed to be $499.

As we all know price gouging for video cards when they are first released is always a problem.

 

[Kenmitch]

I thought the 1080ti was 35% faster than a 1080?
Well the rtx2070 performance will be smack in between those cards.

Its a mathematical certainty.
Mark my words.
And msrp is supposed to be $499.

As we all know price gouging for video cards when they are first released is always a problem.

I wouldn't bank on a $499 RTX 2070 being buy worthy. Bottom binned chips and crappy cooler if the price point is even met at all. I wouldn't spout any performance estimates on such a card yet.

Gouging part....Looks like Nvidia took care of it.

 

[Shmee]

Guys, a reminder here to avoid callouts and trolling. Thanks.

On another note, as long as you can get one with a decent cooler, I would say it still comes down to price and monitor choice. I cannot speak for the pulse series, but the $499 Vega 64 Nitro (which I recently got to utilize freesync on my monitor) is IMO the best AMD card available, and for a great price. Sapphire triple fan designs are always top notch. A 1070Ti or 1080 is also a good option if gsync is preferred, or if they are cheaper, as long as they have good coolers.

 

[Geegeeoh]

A rtx2070 will be 20% faster than a Vega 64 for $500 , releasing next month.

/Doubt

 

[coercitiv]

A rtx2070 will be 20% faster than a Vega 64 for $500 , releasing next month.

Its a mathematical certainty.
Mark my words.

If it's a mathematical certainty could you please share the math?

AFAIK the 2070 will have a SM count of 36 vs. the 2080 with 46, and something in the realm of 5% lower clocks. That would put it at around 75% performance of a 2080, meaning a repeat of the 2080 vs. 1080Ti results.

 

[arandomguy]

If it's a mathematical certainty could you please share the math?

AFAIK the 2070 will have a SM count of 36 vs. the 2080 with 46, and something in the realm of 5% lower clocks. That would put it at around 75% performance of a 2080, meaning a repeat of the 2080 vs. 1080Ti results.

Performance delta will likely be work load dependent as the 2070 has a higher ratio of hardware resources (equal even) in some cases of the 2080. If we look back for example previous series don't scale completely based on SM delta as ROP/bandwidth resources are closer between the two (eg. 1070 vs 1080, 970 vs 980, 670 vs 680).

Although I do wonder if we were to know details deep down whether or not the 2070 can actually fully utilize some of those resources. For example while the theoretical bandwidth is the same perhaps due to the layout the actual effective bandwidth is still lower but that design does enable a full 8GB to be accessed without penalties.

It is interesting why not 12 Gbps GDDR6 instead? Maybe no cost difference or availability? Supposedly 12 Gbps is available at a lower voltage and would mean powers savings at least.

 

[AtenRa]

I will give the RTX2070 FE + 5% to 10% over the GTX1080 but at +100 USD.
It will be the same situation as RTX2080 vs GTX1080Ti.

Vega 54 and GTX1070Ti when found at $399 will be the best choice in this category.

 

[coercitiv]

Performance delta will likely be work load dependent as the 2070 has a higher ratio of hardware resources (equal even) in some cases of the 2080. If we look back for example previous series don't scale completely based on SM delta as ROP/bandwidth resources are closer between the two (eg. 1070 vs 1080, 970 vs 980, 670 vs 680).

While I'm aware of diminishing returns especially as we have little knowledge whether the 2080 is bandwidth limited or not (hence 2070 might scale better relative to SM count), I was responding to a post claiming mathematical precision in performance estimates. Citing unknowns is hardly in line with that post

 

[Paratus]

A rtx2070 will be 20% faster than a Vega 64 for $500 , releasing next month.

That would be... surprising.

It’ll most likely be about 5% faster than the 1080 at best. AIB 1080’s and Vega 64’s and OCd 1070Tis will all be with in few % at 1440P High settings/4K medium.

The actual market cost will likely be $550-$600.

In my estimation of course.

 

[coercitiv]

Hardware Unboxed measured RTX 2070 being 10% faster than Vega 64 at 1440p.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

Yeah but Vega 64 will be like $100-$200 cheaper as well when the RTX 2070 launches..

 

[Paratus]

Hardware Unboxed measured RTX 2070 being 10% faster than Vega 64 at 1440p.

So AT has theRTX 2070FE (OC over non FE 2070) as 10% faster then the 1080FE for $600.

Compare regular RTX 2070 to aftermarket GTX 1080s and performance differences would be in the single digit percentages. Not to mention 1080’s are below $500 right now.

I guess it’s about where I thought it would be. Maybe a smidge faster but on the higher price side.

 

[firewolfsm]

So AT has theRTX 2070FE (OC over non FE 2070) as 10% faster then the 1080FE for $600.

Compare regular RTX 2070 to aftermarket GTX 1080s and performance differences would be in the single digit percentages. Not to mention 1080’s are below $500 right now.

I guess it’s about where I thought it would be. Maybe a smidge faster but on the higher price side.

On top of that, power efficiency isn't necessarily up at all.

 

[Headfoot]

Hardware Unboxed measured RTX 2070 being 10% faster than Vega 64 at 1440p.

So much for mathematical certainty

On a different note - Very interesting that it leads in SW:BF2 by 15% and BF1 by 7% on presumably a very similar build of the Frostbite engine. I wonder what that means for BF:V?

 

[Paratus]

On top of that, power efficiency isn't necessarily up at all.

Totally.

You can’t add a bunch of transistors for features that aren’t really in use yet and expect performance/watt to get better.

 

[Paratus]

A rtx2070 will be 20% faster than a Vega 64 for $500 , releasing next month.

So the Red Devil RX 56 does pretty well in DX12 games even compared to the 2070 according to Alienbabeltech. It effectively ties the newer card in several games. (Of course the Red Devil is the same price as the 2070FE and $150-$200 over regular Vega 56 MSRP)

The 2070 is significantly faster in most DX11 games and a bit faster in Vulcan of course.

But quite frankly shouldn’t Turing be quite a bit faster at DX12 than Vega? Wasn’t it designed for more advanced features and its barely faster than the 56 let alone AIB 64s?

Hmm

 

[lakedude]

A buddy just got a Vega 64 from NewEgg for around $425 (after some special discount, like maybe the $50 Christmas rebate). Besides the reasonable price he got a 3 game bundle for free as well. Depending on the value you give the games this seems like the best deal going. He claims under volting reduces the power draw to be competitive with nVidia. He seems pretty excited about it. I'll be checking it out this weekend, time permitting.

 

[Justinbaileyman]

A buddy just got a Vega 64 from NewEgg for around $425 (after some special discount, like maybe the $50 Christmas rebate). Besides the reasonable price he got a 3 game bundle for free as well. Depending on the value you give the games this seems like the best deal going. He claims under volting reduces the power draw to be competitive with nVidia. He seems pretty excited about it. I'll be checking it out this weekend, time permitting.

Which Vega 64 did he get?? Was it the Gigabyte one??

 

[lakedude]

Which Vega 64 did he get?? Was it the Gigabyte one??

I'm guessing, haven't seen it yet.

 

[lakedude]

Looks like the 3 fan Sapphire Nitro, not the Gigabyte.

 

[Shmee]

The sapphire one is the one to get IMO, I hear a lot of problems about the Gigabyte card at times.

 

[Ottonomous]

Thanks everyone. I bought the Sapphire Vega 56 and was surprised at how cool and quiet it was, no coil whine either.

Then I traded it for a 1080 ti with a few bucks as collateral