$100s of millions of "dark money" funds climate denial movement

[Newell Steamer]

Another example of the market handling things,.. like how tobacco companies threaten entire countries with lies; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UsHHOCH4q8

No one has a problem with regulation and centralized control. The problem most Righthadist have is that Government will let 'undesirables' into the mechanics. Righthadists do indeed praise centralized control, by private entities, who can decide who is allowed to live free and who isn't.

This is another example of how manipulation by a large entity is perfectly OK, so long as it's done by someone who supports YOUR ideas of how the world should be run.

 

[OverVolt]

Another example of the market handling things,.. like how tobacco companies threaten entire countries with lies; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UsHHOCH4q8

No one has a problem with regulation and centralized control. The problem most Righthadist have is that Government will let 'undesirables' into the mechanics. Righthadists do indeed praise centralized control, by private entities, who can decide who is allowed to live free and who isn't.

This is another example of how manipulation by a large entity is perfectly OK, so long as it's done by someone who supports YOUR ideas of how the world should be run.

I don't know how you can say in the information age that any one entity has a strangle hold on misinformation. This isn't Soviet Russia banning geographically correct maps circa 1990.

They don't seem to have anyone fooled except those who WANT to be fooled. So what is the big deal? Anyone with an internet connection knows cigarettes are bad for you. You can't honestly say that this is an issue in modern day. Its a contrived grievance. We're on a forum ripping the funding to pieces. Wool hasn't been pulled over a single persons eyes.

But you think the average person is too stupid to think for themselves. Thats about all you're saying. Good to know you have zero faith in anyone but yourself. That says alot.

 

[Matt1970]

Another example of the market handling things,.. like how tobacco companies threaten entire countries with lies; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UsHHOCH4q8

No one has a problem with regulation and centralized control. The problem most Righthadist have is that Government will let 'undesirables' into the mechanics. Righthadists do indeed praise centralized control, by private entities, who can decide who is allowed to live free and who isn't.

This is another example of how manipulation by a large entity is perfectly OK, so long as it's done by someone who supports YOUR ideas of how the world should be run.

Give me a break moron. One and a half minutes into that he is using adds from 1971 as his argument. I flush more intelligent shit down the toilet.

 

[nickqt]

Give me a break moron. One and a half minutes into that he is using adds from 1971 as his argument. I flush more intelligent shit down the toilet.

The point is that propaganda and advertising works, regardless of whether someone has an iPhone in their back pocket.

Ask the average American how much US debt China owns. Culture/the market have taught them well that China owns the US and US debt, yet most US debt is owned by the US government itself, and only about 8% of it is owned by China.

People are generally lazy, especially about the big picture. It's not too surprising, since most people have a whole lot of things they're worried about at any given time, and this opens them up to be lied to. Entertainment has replaced actual news, mostly because the news has to be profitable now. Because freedom.

 

[glenn1]

The point is that propaganda and advertising works, regardless of whether someone has an iPhone in their back pocket.

Ask the average American how much US debt China owns. Culture/the market have taught them well that China owns the US and US debt, yet most US debt is owned by the US government itself, and only about 8% of it is owned by China.

People are generally lazy, especially about the big picture. It's not too surprising, since most people have a whole lot of things they're worried about at any given time, and this opens them up to be lied to. Entertainment has replaced actual news, mostly because the news has to be profitable now. Because freedom.

Yeah, if there's one thing your side knows about it's propaganda and advertisting works.

 

[nickqt]

Yeah, if there's one thing your side knows about it's propaganda and advertisting works.

Yes, one side buys (get it!) the GlobalWarmingHoax™ based on 97% of climate scientists all entering into agreement to commit the hoax for the big-money of government grants (!) compared to the little-money of fossil fuel and manufacturers who oppose it. And Hollywood libruuls make movies about it. Because otherwise people wouldn't watch movies about the end of the world and disasters.

The other side?

DeathPanels™ made up of hispanic preteens inoculated with Ebola by ISIS are coming to take away your guns and send you to FEMA camps to be re-educated and forced into gay marrying your uncle.

One side is corrupt, and the other side is made up of lunatics.

 

[Matt1970]

The point is that propaganda and advertising works, regardless of whether someone has an iPhone in their back pocket.

Ask the average American how much US debt China owns. Culture/the market have taught them well that China owns the US and US debt, yet most US debt is owned by the US government itself, and only about 8% of it is owned by China.

People are generally lazy, especially about the big picture. It's not too surprising, since most people have a whole lot of things they're worried about at any given time, and this opens them up to be lied to. Entertainment has replaced actual news, mostly because the news has to be profitable now. Because freedom.

You mean regardless of whether or not it is infact over 40 years old?

 

[glenn1]

Yes, one side buys (get it!) the GlobalWarmingHoax™ based on 97% of climate scientists all entering into agreement to commit the hoax for the big-money of government grants (!) compared to the little-money of fossil fuel and manufacturers who oppose it. And Hollywood libruuls make movies about it. Because otherwise people wouldn't watch movies about the end of the world and disasters.

The other side?

DeathPanels™ made up of hispanic preteens inoculated with Ebola by ISIS are coming to take away your guns and send you to FEMA camps to be re-educated and forced into gay marrying your uncle.

One side is corrupt, and the other side is made up of lunatics.

You climate change guys are like the Jehovah's Witness of politics. Every day for decades you get out your signs and literature proclaiming the end is near, and are completely ignored by everyone else who passes you by. 30 or 40 years pass with no significant progress towards your stated goals and your doomsday predictions failing to materialize, but you guys continuing to hang out issuing warnings and handing out copies of The Watchtower. And 30 or 40 years from now you'll still be arguing about "the science" and hoping for a carbon tax, ban on SUVs, or any kind of scrap of recognition from the voting public at large.

 

[Matt1970]

Yes, one side buys (get it!) the GlobalWarmingHoax™ based on 97% of climate scientists all entering into agreement to commit the hoax for the big-money of government grants (!) compared to the little-money of fossil fuel and manufacturers who oppose it. And Hollywood libruuls make movies about it. Because otherwise people wouldn't watch movies about the end of the world and disasters.

The other side?

DeathPanels™ made up of hispanic preteens inoculated with Ebola by ISIS are coming to take away your guns and send you to FEMA camps to be re-educated and forced into gay marrying your uncle.

One side is corrupt, and the other side is made up of lunatics.

When one side is claiming 20 foot rises in sea levels and polar ice caps melted by 2014, who is being the lunatic? And read up on death panels and you will see your nonexistent piece of the ACA had to be removed removed.

 

[nickqt]

20 feet rises in the sea predicted for 2014?

Citations, please.

DeathPanels™ removed from the ACA?

Citations, please.

I'll wait here.

Unless of course a DeathPanel™ comes and gets me first. I think I hear something outside now. Hold on, let me go check and I'll let you know if they're outsi

 

[nickqt]

You climate change guys are like the Jehovah's Witness of politics. Every day for decades you get out your signs and literature proclaiming the end is near, and are completely ignored by everyone else who passes you by. 30 or 40 years pass with no significant progress towards your stated goals and your doomsday predictions failing to materialize, but you guys continuing to hang out issuing warnings and handing out copies of The Watchtower. And 30 or 40 years from now you'll still be arguing about "the science" and hoping for a carbon tax, ban on SUVs, or any kind of scrap of recognition from the voting public at large.

You got us.

The GlobalWarmingHoaxists™ have all been claiming the end of days for the past 40 years. Because hyperbole and straw men.

 

[Matt1970]

20 feet rises in the sea predicted for 2014?

Citations, please.

DeathPanels™ removed from the ACA?

Citations, please.

I'll wait here.

Unless of course a DeathPanel™ comes and gets me first. I think I hear something outside now. Hold on, let me go check and I'll let you know if they're outsi

20 foot seas and polar ice cap melt by 2014 is easy to find with multiple sources. Damn son, ever heard of google?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/16/editorial-al-gore-soothsayer/

http://scienceline.org/2008/12/ask-rettner-sea-level-rise-al-gore-an-inconvenient-truth/

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/01/31/415742/al-gore-rising-seas-antarctica-to-bangladesh/

That's just the first 3 results from Google.

And as far as the death panels, calling them such is a far stretch, but saying they didn't exist is an ever farther one.

"Consultation payments were removed from the Senate version of the bill by the Senate Finance Committee"

If they never even existed, why remove the portion of the ACA that Palin was calling the Death Panels?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_panel

 

[nickqt]

20 foot seas and polar ice cap melt by 2014 is easy to find with multiple sources. Damn son, ever heard of google?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/16/editorial-al-gore-soothsayer/

http://scienceline.org/2008/12/ask-rettner-sea-level-rise-al-gore-an-inconvenient-truth/

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/01/31/415742/al-gore-rising-seas-antarctica-to-bangladesh/

That's just the first 3 results from Google.

And as far as the death panels, calling them such is a far stretch, but saying they didn't exist is an ever farther one.

"Consultation payments were removed from the Senate version of the bill by the Senate Finance Committee"

If they never even existed, why remove the portion of the ACA that Palin was calling the Death Panels?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_panel

Damn son. I wasn't aware that Al Gore (is fat) was a climate scientist. That such an esteemed (and fat) climate scientist such as Al Gore (is fat) predicted 20 feet rises in the sea and it didn't occur means the rest of climate science is clearly bunk.

Nice find.

The "DeathPanels™ word salad by Palin was fearmongering a portion of the ACA that involved trying to keep costs down by having people who are going to die anyway get consultation as to what is and isn't possible with many tests and procedures that they might try in order to stave off death. Calling it a deathpanel because it was a panel of people consulting someone with a terminal illness doesn't make it a DeathPanel™ in Frau Palin's use of the term, as some body that decides which grandmas get murdered in the face at the end of the consultation.

But you knew that.

 

[werepossum]

Good news: that's not why people are labeled climate change deniers.

Check the OP's title, it's "climate denial", not "climate change denial". It usually is.

It was not a Global Event.

Until it became an "inconvenient fact", the Medieval Warm Period was universally considered to have been a global event. Same with the Little Ice Age, now known as "That perfect period of ideal climate before white men began ruining the world".

 

[michal1980]

Damn son. I wasn't aware that Al Gore (is fat) was a climate scientist. That such an esteemed (and fat) climate scientist such as Al Gore (is fat) predicted

I like how the left can so easily pick and choose which of their propagandists really represent them.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Give me a break moron.

That's it, announce how sad and angry you are. Go on, vent. Because you need to make some more room for the remainder of your awful life.

 

[Matt1970]

Damn son. I wasn't aware that Al Gore (is fat) was a climate scientist. That such an esteemed (and fat) climate scientist such as Al Gore (is fat) predicted 20 feet rises in the sea and it didn't occur means the rest of climate science is clearly bunk.

Nice find.

The "DeathPanels™ word salad by Palin was fearmongering a portion of the ACA that involved trying to keep costs down by having people who are going to die anyway get consultation as to what is and isn't possible with many tests and procedures that they might try in order to stave off death. Calling it a deathpanel because it was a panel of people consulting someone with a terminal illness doesn't make it a DeathPanel™ in Frau Palin's use of the term, as some body that decides which grandmas get murdered in the face at the end of the consultation.

But you knew that.

So the next time you go around trying to act like the "death panels" are something the GOP made up you will know you are full of shit. You wanted proof on Gore, got it, then decide one of the guys leading the charge for climate change somehow now doesn't count. Are you shooting for a total lack of credibility here?

 

[Thebobo]

An ironic condemnation, considering the whole of the global warming movement is supported by the left precisely for its political utility.

Umm what lol? Conservatives /republicans are the ones that made subjects like this political.

 

[Matt1970]

That's it, announce how sad and angry you are. Go on, vent. Because you need to make some more room for the remainder of your awful life.

I am not the one frothing at the mouth over propaganda that is over 40 years old.

 

[Paratus]

20 foot seas and polar ice cap melt by 2014 is easy to find with multiple sources. Damn son, ever heard of google?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/16/editorial-al-gore-soothsayer/

http://scienceline.org/2008/12/ask-rettner-sea-level-rise-al-gore-an-inconvenient-truth/

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/01/31/415742/al-gore-rising-seas-antarctica-to-bangladesh/

That's just the first 3 results from Google.

And as far as the death panels, calling them such is a far stretch, but saying they didn't exist is an ever farther one.

"Consultation payments were removed from the Senate version of the bill by the Senate Finance Committee"

If they never even existed, why remove the portion of the ACA that Palin was calling the Death Panels?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_panel

I see your problem. You keep trying to get your science from editorials and celebrities.

I understand that's how a lot of conservatives form their political opinions, but that doesn't work for science.

Try peer-reviewed articles, or summaries from respectable scientific institutions, like NASA & NOAA.

 

[fskimospy]

Check the OP's title, it's "climate denial", not "climate change denial". It usually is.


Until it became an "inconvenient fact", the Medieval Warm Period was universally considered to have been a global event. Same with the Little Ice Age, now known as "That perfect period of ideal climate before white men began ruining the world".

Climate denial means climate change denial. Unless you think the controversy is about people denying that the earth has a climate of course.

But no, people are called climate change deniers because they refuse to accept overwhelming scientific evidence. Often they latch on to specific studies or controversies that they believe buttress their position and ignore mountains of ideologically inconvenient ones. This anti-science aspect has a lot in common with creationism.

 

[Matt1970]

I see your problem. You keep trying to get your science from editorials and celebrities.

I understand that's how a lot of conservatives form their political opinions, but that doesn't work for science.

Try peer-reviewed articles, or summaries from respectable scientific institutions, like NASA & NOAA.

You have it backwards. The right isn't the one thrusting this man out front as the spokesperson for their cause. If it were me pushing for climate change, the first thing I would do would be to debunk that moron, not thrust him to the forefront because he has all the best scare tactics.

 

[fskimospy]

You have it backwards. The right isn't the one thrusting this man out front as the spokesperson for their cause. If it were me pushing for climate change, the first thing I would do would be to debunk that moron, not thrust him to the forefront because he has all the best scare tactics.

The only people I ever see bring up Al Gore are conservatives.

 

[Ichinisan]

The only people I ever see bring up Al Gore are conservatives.

...and Leonardo DiCaprio.

 

[bshole]

Who is funding this tripe and how da fuq does it qualify as science? We get something like this on a weekly basis. Every week on google news another story is posted warning of the latest nightmare effect of global warming. We are saturated in global warming holocaust news, the opposing view is nowhere near competing on a visibility basis.

http://www.rdmag.com/news/2015/02/more-infectious-diseases-emerging-because-climate-change

The appearance of infectious diseases in new places and new hosts, such as West Nile virus and Ebola, is a predictable result of climate change, says a noted zoologist affiliated with the Harold W. Manter Laboratory of Parasitology at the Univ. of Nebraska-Lincoln.

In an article published online in Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society B, Daniel Brooks warns that humans can expect more such illnesses to emerge in the future, as climate change shifts habitats and brings wildlife, crops, livestock and humans into contact with pathogens to which they are susceptible but to which they have never been exposed before.

"It's not that there's going to be one 'Andromeda Strain' that will wipe everybody out on the planet," Brooks said, referring to the 1971 science fiction film about a deadly pathogen. "There are going to be a lot of localized outbreaks putting pressure on medical and veterinary health systems. It will be the death of a thousand cuts."