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100*C - is this too hot?

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Well. Im not getting artefacts, and the gaming that I do seems to run fine. The only thing is under load the 8400 does sound like a chinook on take off. And the temperatures do make me nervous.
 
Remember dell does not include any case fans, so pop a case fan or two in there (if there is a spot for them) and check it out.

Should lower it at least a little. The temps are indeed high, especially since Nvidia clock throttles.

-Kevin
 
Originally posted by: THUGSROOK
Originally posted by: sparkyclarky
That cooling is carefully engineered to balance noise with acceptable temperature levels.
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BS ~ its made to be cheap, face it
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You clearly know nothing about the way most large companies such as Dell design their PCs. Do you honestly think that Dell would put up with the huge amount of component failures and tech support calls simply to save $3 on a fan per machine?
 
Good Luck trying to get Dell to replace something that isn't broken. Doesn't matter what temp your running. As long as it works, they don't care. Hell, I wouldn't either. If it's working, don't bother me.
 
See, this is why NVidia needs to come out with a combination graphics card and coffee machine. It would be perfect! Doom3 and a latte, please.
 
I'm guessing they wouldn't be too accommodating if you were to ask if you could slap on an NV Silencer. Anyway, if they won't do anything and the warranty is about to run, why not overclock the snot out of it and then RMA it? I usually flame people who talk about doing stuff like that, but if they won't hold up their end of the bargain I can't see any obligation to hold up yours.

-HC-
 
yea, im so glad i joined these forums so i can learn about Dell business practices. (being cheap SOBs)

Dell sux
Gateway sux
etc
 
Like the P4 you won't get "errors" aka artifacts when it's gets too hot like that.. it will just cheat you out of paid for performance by clocking itself down.:|
 
Originally posted by: Zebo
Like the P4 you won't get "errors" aka artifacts when it's gets too hot like that.. it will just cheat you out of paid for performance by clocking itself down.:|
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exactly
 
Originally posted by: THUGSROOK
Originally posted by: Zebo
Like the P4 you won't get "errors" aka artifacts when it's gets too hot like that.. it will just cheat you out of paid for performance by clocking itself down.:|
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exactly
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Don't continue upon the path of ignorance by continuing to insist that Dell consistently delivers poor cooling options. Their cooling is designed to perform fine in a wide variety of environmental conditions. No, they don't deliver the same cooling that the average enthusiast system does, but they also tend to come in at a significantly lower noise level than the average enthusiast system. Additionally, they are nigh impossible to overclock, so they don't have that added heat to contend with. The fewer fans (given appropriate thermal engineering), the fewer components to fail, as fans are one of the few completely mechanical components in a machine (HD, optical drive, and fans being the big ones). They invest millions in designing a system that performs fine within a range of thermal situations. I'd like to see you backup your claims about Dells poor cooling (and mind you, poor within the average consumer market means that it results in a system with higher than average failure rates and temps higher than component manufacturer specs). Frankly, it sounds like you're spreading FUD.
 
Originally posted by: THUGSROOK
while that may be true in the Dell Forum, this is AnandTech. and in AnandTech Dell is FUD.
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FUD indeed. I think the whole idea of "modding/upgrading" a Dell's cooling system is down-right ridiculous. If you want a gaming/enthusiast PC then you need to stay away from the OEMs available in BestBuy/CircuitCity/etc (with the exception of some Alienware PCs...i think).

I would also add that Dell's cooling is apparently fine when dealing with the heat produced during NORMAL PC usage (like what the PC was designed for).
 
If you want a prebuilt gaming PC, go with a company like ABS that uses off-the-shelf parts. If you ever need to upgrade or modify anything, you can.

-HC-
 
Originally posted by: sparkyclarky
Originally posted by: THUGSROOK
Originally posted by: Zebo
Like the P4 you won't get "errors" aka artifacts when it's gets too hot like that.. it will just cheat you out of paid for performance by clocking itself down.:|
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exactly
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Don't continue upon the path of ignorance by continuing to insist that Dell consistently delivers poor cooling options. Their cooling is designed to perform fine in a wide variety of environmental conditions. No, they don't deliver the same cooling that the average enthusiast system does, but they also tend to come in at a significantly lower noise level than the average enthusiast system. Additionally, they are nigh impossible to overclock, so they don't have that added heat to contend with. The fewer fans (given appropriate thermal engineering), the fewer components to fail, as fans are one of the few completely mechanical components in a machine (HD, optical drive, and fans being the big ones). They invest millions in designing a system that performs fine within a range of thermal situations. I'd like to see you backup your claims about Dells poor cooling (and mind you, poor within the average consumer market means that it results in a system with higher than average failure rates and temps higher than component manufacturer specs). Frankly, it sounds like you're spreading FUD.
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Your the one that is deluded . . . . try posting on Dell's forum if you want agreement. 😛
Dell is cheap . . . . and their "support" is even worse.
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to the OP, good luck . . . . hope you have the eXtended warranty. 😉
 
Okay guys.

I will e-mail Dell again - what shall I say so I sound cleverer than I really am and make them think "sh*t yeah that is too hot, here have a new one". Because when I say it seems too hot for me, they just tell me "Dear david... video cards run a lot hotter nowadays etc...". Bit patronising.

They did say that if the performance is affected, then to get in touch. So ok things work, but from what I hear about the throttling nVidia use, I am automatically going to lose performance if its too hot.

About the comment about cooling designed for its use. My Dell PC is a high-end consumer targetted PC. If they don't expect me to game, then why did they try and offer me a X850 XT Platinum?

So basically, I'll e-mail them again, with some better things to back up my argument with the help of you guys.

Cheers!
 
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: sparkyclarky
Originally posted by: THUGSROOK
Originally posted by: Zebo
Like the P4 you won't get "errors" aka artifacts when it's gets too hot like that.. it will just cheat you out of paid for performance by clocking itself down.:|
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exactly
Click to expand...

Don't continue upon the path of ignorance by continuing to insist that Dell consistently delivers poor cooling options. Their cooling is designed to perform fine in a wide variety of environmental conditions. No, they don't deliver the same cooling that the average enthusiast system does, but they also tend to come in at a significantly lower noise level than the average enthusiast system. Additionally, they are nigh impossible to overclock, so they don't have that added heat to contend with. The fewer fans (given appropriate thermal engineering), the fewer components to fail, as fans are one of the few completely mechanical components in a machine (HD, optical drive, and fans being the big ones). They invest millions in designing a system that performs fine within a range of thermal situations. I'd like to see you backup your claims about Dells poor cooling (and mind you, poor within the average consumer market means that it results in a system with higher than average failure rates and temps higher than component manufacturer specs). Frankly, it sounds like you're spreading FUD.
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Your the one that is deluded . . . . try posting on Dell's forum if you want agreement. 😛
Dell is cheap . . . . and their "support" is even worse.
:roll:

to the OP, good luck . . . . hope you have the eXtended warranty. 😉
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Way to provide evidence for your claim that Dell is "cheap." I'll give you the support thing, hands down. But I'm not discussing support. I'm discussing the build of their systems. You guys state that the thermal characteristics of their machines are subpar at best. I state that they make a machine that has well engineered thermal characteristics, balancing noise (something which a majority of the market takes seriously) and cooling. I've seen very few people complain about the cooling in a Dell system, and it is a logical fallacy for you to assume that Dell would ship the cheapest crap cooling in their systems in order to save a few bucks per unit when in reality this would cost them much more in the long run. Hell, they custom design their cases with a layout that lends towards an optimized balance of noise and cooling. Sure, enthusiast machines may cool better, or they may cool quieter, but rarely do they achieve the same balance that a typical Dell has (I'm not as familiar with the other OEMs however). You have failed to provide any evidence to backup your claims, and until you do, I'm done with any argument with you.
 
yeah, it's a really nice design. My bosses fan falls off if you open the CD drive and clock throttleing results. Very nice.
 
I have to side with sparkyclarky here.

My Dell is quiet, and apart from the video card problem temperatures are fine. I don't know why so many people hate Dell. For many users, most gamers with custom machines, no a Dell may not make sense. But for many others, myself included, a Dell is affordable, reliable and the support is not crap. Someone coming to fix a problem the day after something breaks is not bad support. My older Dell had one problem in 3 years, and still works fine - my Grandfather has it now. The CD-Drive stopped working, a man arrived the next day and put a new one in.

I think the fact is that even though you may think it uncool to own a Dell, and it may not suit your needs, this does not imply that they make crap computers.
I guess thats it.
 
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