10 years from now...

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What do you see 10 years from now. Most creative gets a cookie!

I think:

In 10 years, we would develop a new kind of ram that is permanent (doesnt lose data when shuts off) and hotswappable. So we can get rid of hard drives, cd dvd roms, usb drives, floppies, zips, etc...then we could reuse the old mem as video memory on the slots of future video cards. No need for installation, loading, save points, etc...

Or we could develop hard drives that are as fast as ram

That would be nice, of course choosing what brands to get would be the biggest decision of building a computer.

 

SonicIce

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I predict that PC's will have a built in rotisserie, so all that heat won't go to waste. :D
 

Mik3y

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There will be glass drives that use 3 or so lasers and mark them. technology like this is already capable, but costs a LOT of money.
 

tfinch2

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Originally posted by: movingincircles
What do you see 10 years from now. Most creative gets a cookie!

I think:

In 10 years, we would develop a new kind of ram that is permanent (doesnt lose data when shuts off) and hotswappable. So we can get rid of hard drives, cd dvd roms, usb drives, floppies, zips, etc...then we could reuse the old mem as video memory on the slots of future video cards. No need for installation, loading, save points, etc...

Or we could develop hard drives that are as fast as ram

That would be nice, of course choosing what brands to get would be the biggest decision of building a computer.

yeah let's store every single object and variable that you ever use in a program in permanent memory :confused:
 

techwanabe

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Originally posted by: SonicIce
I predict that PC's will have a built in rotisserie, so all that heat won't go to waste. :D

Well spoken!

Seems like one of the surest things along with PC's getting faster is that they just have more and more heat to dissapate! :D
 

tfinch2

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Originally posted by: techwanabe
Originally posted by: SonicIce
I predict that PC's will have a built in rotisserie, so all that heat won't go to waste. :D

Well spoken!

Seems like one of the surest things along with PC's getting faster is that they just have more and more heat to dissapate! :D

I'm sure you could do it now with a prescott

 

Cerb

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movingcircles: that RAM exists already. The trick is getting it up in density and capacity, and down in price.

What I see:

1. Hard drives with platters will be giving way to solid state drives. We won't use any kind of RAM, because like now, it is more expensive for the space, and we keep bloating things up.

2. Parallelism. Quad-core and massively SMT systems will be the norm if you have a Thermaltake case. GHz are slowing down, pipelines are increasing in length--but Moore's Law is still going. Dualcore, we know, will be normal for the rest of us.

3. Power consumptions will be greatly varied. We're seeing the start now. Big guns need more power. But as a home user, you can handle less...and less. The computing power per watt will increase.

4. Linux will take over the desktop; there will be a new desktop use paradigm (hopefully more work-flow oriented designs will come). Some people will get together and make something like DirectX for Linux, and redo CDE, hopefully also making a fully scriptable windowing system. It would be great to have the desktop fully integrated with everything. Think about a simple transition into a game, and having IM, mail notification, etc., still working, just slightly more minimal, so you can use your screen space to shoot somebody :). Also, that your desktop objects change styles, sizes, and positions based on what you are doing, but remain available; changing based on your wants in a given task (with average defaults for such tasks). Maybe Looking Glass will be a good step.

5. A Dummies book will come with any decent software. We need to educate people. I can hope.

6. We will STILL use air cooling, with TEC on chip packages. Thermalright and Zalman have done very good jobs of showing that air cooling is only getting better, and can handle, with heatpipes, the needs of 100+w CPUs, and maybe even more, given time.
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: movingincircles
What do you see 10 years from now. Most creative gets a cookie!

"Blue screens of death" will be no longer!

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MS will just change them to a shiny, silver look, to match their new UI at the time. :(


Originally posted by: movingincircles
In 10 years, we would develop a new kind of ram that is permanent (doesnt lose data when shuts off) and hotswappable. So we can get rid of hard drives, cd dvd roms, usb drives, floppies, zips, etc...then we could reuse the old mem as video memory on the slots of future video cards. No need for installation, loading, save points, etc... Or we could develop hard drives that are as fast as ram

We already have both of those things, except they cost much more than current mechanical-based HDs and current silicon-based RAM does, which is why we are still using HDs and RAM instead of something more esoteric.

You know what the honest truth is? Current operating systems ("user operating environments"), could be SO far advanced by now, if MS didn't try to completely control, dominate, and restrict the growth of the market. Look at what happened, during the early "browser wars", before giant slumbering MS even woke-up and noticed the "web-based internet phenomenon". Look at how much *raw innovation* happened at that time! That period, more than anything else, actually helped define the phrase "internet time". And yet now look at what innovations have happened in that same field, now that MS has dominated it for years. After three years, IE finally gets a pop-up blocker, that 3rd-parties have been providing as a feature for years. Whoopie. :( Maybe in another three years, MS will "integrate" (steal - sorry, "innovate") tabbed-browsing as a feature.

If you want to know who has been holding back widespread consumer software-technology development, look no further than "evil Bill's ranch", out in Redmond, WA.


Also, the thing that so many Microsoft supporters fail to understand, is the "chilling" effects on true innovation that MS's heavy-handed and supra-legal business tactics have had. There are a number of people and companies, I'm sure, that have scrapped or otherwise not pursued development of innovative ideas in the marketplace, because they know that the 800lb gorilla is watching, and will eventually giev them two options: 1) sell out to MS, for a paltry sum, or 2) be run into the ground and go bankrupt, eventually, due to MS's seriously anti-competitive tactics.

(Edit: Google is perhaps the only one big enough, rich enough, and innovative enough, these days, to possibly pull it off. The calls for a "Google OS" echo that sentiment.)

And yet, MS puts on a "happy face" for the world, as if they are some sort of leading software "innovator", rather than a thief, charlatan, and imitator.

The only reason that they can't just outright kill Linux, is because of its licensing, and the fact that it is given away for free. MS is going to have to pay for some seriously-powerful laws, to severely restrict personal freedoms and rights, in order to quash it. Whether that happens or not, I cannot say, but in either case it doesn't bode well for the industry or the people.
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: tfinch2
yeah let's store every single object and variable that you ever use in a program in permanent memory :confused:

Actually, that is one of the "features" of an OS that I had been designing. Permanent optical-based storage is insanely cheap (well, all persistant storage is nowadays, for the most part). If you stored all of the "objects" that you created, or were created based on your modifications to other objects (could be stored in delta-compressed form in that case), you probably wouldn't exceed a single DVD in.. probably six months to a year, if that. (Unless of course you were involved with the media arts, and regularly worked on large multi-media files. Even then, objects could be considered aggregations of other smaller objects, and delta-compression could cut down the size needed by quite a bit.)

If you look at what MS Research's "My Life" project is doing, along with Google Desktop, and some others, I happen to think that it is a very, very good idea. Many people keep *all* of their e-mails, leading backwards into infinity since they first started using computers. Wouldn't it be really neat, to have a complete "digital trail", of everything that you did? Almost like the concept of the "identity discs" from the movie 'TRON', in a way.

The important part of such a system, of course, would be legally recognizing that such data was private, and basically an enhancement to your own biological memory (aka. "exobrain"), and that copying, for personal use, such other materials that could be considered "copyrighted", was legal, and that also, your private-memory contents should be protected against unreasonable legal searches and seizures.
Unfortunately, current legislative winds seem to be blowing in exactly the wrong direction, with regards to enabling that sort of innovative (true) personal computing technologies. (Notice no hyphen.)

PS. There are also very real runtime benefits from using a system of permanent copy-on-write and non-delation and static-single-assignment, if you set aside the storage issues. It could lead to OSes and application that never crashed/BSODed on you, for example. Wouldn't that be a worthwhile feature? I know that I would prefer something like that.
 

VirtualLarry

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Originally posted by: Cerb
5. A Dummies book will come with any decent software. We need to educate people. I can hope.

Nah, some things never change. Build a more idiot-proof system, and you will necessarily evolve a bigger idiot. :p
 

Adn4n

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Originally posted by: techwanabe
Originally posted by: SonicIce
I predict that PC's will have a built in rotisserie, so all that heat won't go to waste. :D

Well spoken!

Seems like one of the surest things along with PC's getting faster is that they just have more and more heat to dissapate! :D

Prescotts could solve the energy problem.
 

Shenkoa

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1. Quad DIE nano processors, ram will be on die with the L2 and L1, .001u die size, SSE8, socket 2000.

2. Graphics boards with 64 Pixel Pipelines, running 1.6 GHz in clock speed, 102.4 GP FILLRATE, 1 KB DDR6 RAM on the die of the VPU.

3. Digital HDD's vs. Magnetic, 24K RPM SATA 300+ drives with 32 MB BUFFER SIZES.

4. 48 Bit Sound Card with 12.1 surround

5. USB 4.0 and Firewire 4

6. Microsoft Windows Mech Addition. (SP 1 will enable it and it will take over the world)

7. DMD (Digital Micro Discs) will be the size of an SD memory card and hold over 20 GB

8. LCD MOnitors will be around $75 and some new aqua screen mabober will come out and be $400

9. 801.End, Say hello to SECURITY IC's ALL OVER YOUR MACHINE, out with IEE and FCC. The RIAA and MPAA take over the US, dictatorship between RIAA and MPAA will be shared and the country will turn communist. At this point, most people in their 20's will move to Taiwan and pirate the hell out of everything they can.

10. Apple will go bankrupt because of MS and the loss of the Ipod distribution (Thanks to RIAA) who will sue apple for distributing quicktime.
A. MS will be sued by the RIAA and MPAA cause of windows media player and DHDD copying utility's
B. Western Digital, Maxtor and Seagate will be sued by the RIAA and MPAA cause of their DHDD products.
C. The induce act will rain and the betamax decision will fall. No recordable anything, exept products protected with the security IC's (DMD's)


11. Gas will cost $6 a gallon. (Not sure how that goes to tech but oh well)
 
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Well put Shenkoa, Also, processors will no longer be silicon based for the 6ghz+ products, Silicon can not reach that kind of speed :(, we will be using diamond ;)
 

SonicIce

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Originally posted by: techwanabe
Originally posted by: SonicIce
I predict that PC's will have a built in rotisserie, so all that heat won't go to waste. :D

Well spoken!

Seems like one of the surest things along with PC's getting faster is that they just have more and more heat to dissapate! :D

Wheres my cookie?