10 New Cars to Avoid

[HAL9000]

hell my wife has 153,000 on her 2000 concorde. we got trucks at work with well over 300,000 miles. but sounds like your local councils has some mental issues

Not my local councils. Just some that have problems with the environmental impact of cars that are about 60 years old.

 

[RPD]

While I can agree with some/most of the cars listed, that article read like a troll post. Barely a paragraph explaining why a car was rated at a given spot on the post. GMC/GM trucks are usually great, but they list the work/HD truck and rate it like a common commuter and say it's too much work?

Just comes across as lazy.

 

[manimal]

While I can agree with some/most of the cars listed, that article read like a troll post. Barely a paragraph explaining why a car was rated at a given spot on the post. GMC/GM trucks are usually great, but they list the work/HD truck and rate it like a common commuter and say it's too much work?

Just comes across as lazy.

yup. its amazing what passes for content on some sites.


slowly the internets are turning in 4chan...

 

[MovingTarget]

No... They dont... With the exception of a couple of local councils that won't let you drive into the centre of their constituency if your car is over a certain age....

Wow, I have never heard of age restrictions on a vehicle for any locality. That strikes me as extremely odd. IIRC, there isn't any American city center that you can't drive through in a Model T if you so chose.

But yeah, I have never owned/purchased any car with under 96k miles. My '97 Cavalier has 131k miles on it and the 87 Caprice....either 127, 227, or 327k miles. The odometer doesn't have a hundred thousands digit, so there's no way to be sure. I suspect 327k.

 

[HAL9000]

Wow, I have never heard of age restrictions on a vehicle for any locality. That strikes me as extremely odd. IIRC, there isn't any American city center that you can't drive through in a Model T if you so chose.

Yeah it's weird and rare for that to be the case, but I thought it was worth mentioning.

But yeah, I have never owned/purchased any car with under 96k miles. My '97 Cavalier has 131k miles on it and the 87 Caprice....either 127, 227, or 327k miles. The odometer doesn't have a hundred thousands digit, so there's no way to be sure. I suspect 327k.

That would be what I would consider "an old banger". If it had 300,000 miles on it in the UK it would be 30 years old and dead.

 

[AMCRambler]

No... They dont... With the exception of a couple of local councils that won't let you drive into the centre of their constituency if your car is over a certain age....

Seriously? So if you own a classic car they won't let you drive there? That's ridiculous.

 

[HAL9000]

Seriously? So if you own a classic car they won't let you drive there? That's ridiculous.

Yep, in may two local councils in the country. It's seriously rare.

 

[SandEagle]

the Nissan does not belong on that list. the others i can understand. hmmmm, something is missing. i bet this is probably sponsored by Ford.

 

[ShawnD1]

the Nissan does not belong on that list. the others i can understand. hmmmm, something is missing. i bet this is probably sponsored by Ford.

Indeed, they forgot the Ford Fiesta. Fiesta is Spanish for "unreliable garbage."
The tranny in a fiesta gets destroyed faster than a tranny in a porno gets destroyed.

 

[Throckmorton]

Indeed, they forgot the Ford Fiesta. Fiesta is Spanish for "unreliable garbage."
The tranny in a fiesta gets destroyed faster than a tranny in a porno gets destroyed.

Where do you get your car reliability information?

And do you really watch tranny porn?

 

[ShawnD1]

Where do you get your car reliability information?

And do you really watch tranny porn?

Just do a search for "fiesta transmission" and note how many of the top results are about widespread problems. When typing "fiesta transmission" into google, the suggests are "issues" and "problems"


http://jalopnik.com/5774473/ford-quietly-replacing-fiesta-transmissions-on-owner-complaints
"Ford quietly replacing Fiesta transmissions on owner complaints"

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/...-ford-is-trying-to-fix-the-issue-quietly.html
"Dual-Clutch Transmission On New Fiesta Has Issues, Ford Is Trying To Fix The Issue Quietly"


Of course someone will say there's a confirmation bias. Try typing any other car into google and see what it suggests. For "civic transmission" it suggests "fluid change". For "corolla transmission" it suggests "fluid". The Fiesta is a big pile of failure and it's damaging Ford's already beaten down reputation.

 

[soccerballtux]

And 1of those 4 is actually an import rebadged. Isuzu's.
Now you're down to three.

Surprised now?

i hate america. scion 4 lyfe yo

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

My Chevy van has about 237k on the clock. 'Course, the odometer stopped working about 5 years ago.

 

[IronWing]

Hmm, I just traded in my 2006 Silverado 2500HD for a 2012 Silverado 2500HD. The 2006 had ~75K miles on it with no issues of any kind. The 2012 has the same engine but a new transmission. We'll see I guess.

 

[HAL9000]

Just do a search for "fiesta transmission" and note how many of the top results are about widespread problems. When typing "fiesta transmission" into google, the suggests are "issues" and "problems"


http://jalopnik.com/5774473/ford-quietly-replacing-fiesta-transmissions-on-owner-complaints
"Ford quietly replacing Fiesta transmissions on owner complaints"

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/...-ford-is-trying-to-fix-the-issue-quietly.html
"Dual-Clutch Transmission On New Fiesta Has Issues, Ford Is Trying To Fix The Issue Quietly"


Of course someone will say there's a confirmation bias. Try typing any other car into google and see what it suggests. For "civic transmission" it suggests "fluid change". For "corolla transmission" it suggests "fluid". The Fiesta is a big pile of failure and it's damaging Ford's already beaten down reputation.

My parents have a 2004 Fiesta that's never skipped a beat. It's done about 35k

I have two friends with Fiesta's from about 1998/2001 and neither have ever had problems. They've done about 60k

 

[Arkaign]

Just do a search for "fiesta transmission" and note how many of the top results are about widespread problems. When typing "fiesta transmission" into google, the suggests are "issues" and "problems"


http://jalopnik.com/5774473/ford-quietly-replacing-fiesta-transmissions-on-owner-complaints
"Ford quietly replacing Fiesta transmissions on owner complaints"

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/...-ford-is-trying-to-fix-the-issue-quietly.html
"Dual-Clutch Transmission On New Fiesta Has Issues, Ford Is Trying To Fix The Issue Quietly"


Of course someone will say there's a confirmation bias. Try typing any other car into google and see what it suggests. For "civic transmission" it suggests "fluid change". For "corolla transmission" it suggests "fluid". The Fiesta is a big pile of failure and it's damaging Ford's already beaten down reputation.

troll-tastic as usual.

I know probably at least a dozen people with recent Ford products, including the new Focus and Fiesta, and not a one has had any mechanical problems. One lady is confused by her Edge's SYNC setup, but that's a PEBKAC really.

You're worse than one of those anti-Toyota or anti-GM people who whore out every possible thread with their one-sided spam.

EDIT : From your very first link :

"Several have reported having to get new transmissions, and there's at least two reports of multiple transmission failures"

SEVERAL? Clearly a problem of epidemic proportions! Call the Pentagon!!!

"Five owners have filed complaints with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration over the Powershift, with two reporting they were given replacement units."

FIVE? OMFG let's burn down Ford HQ!! Out of XX,XXX cars sold, FIVE have already had some type of problem!! That's clearly over .01%!!!! ZOMG!!!

"The fix? A software update for the transmission along with scraping paint away from underneath the battery's ground screw for a better connection."

HAHAHAHA Of course!

Oh, and yeah, Toyota's NEVER have problems :

http://toyota.tekgroupweb.com/safety-recall/

I'm not picking on Toyota, just pointing out that confirmation bias indeed is your disease whenever you feel like spamming on Ford. Follow the link and look at the hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of vehicles affected by various recalls just from Toyota alone.

That doesn't mean that there aren't problem vehicles out there, just to have some common sense before calling a particular vehicle total junk when out of tens of thousands of customers only a handful are reporting a particular problem. And we all know that we're each a lot louder when things are going wrong than when things are just fine.

 

[Bignate603]

My parents have a 2004 Fiesta that's never skipped a beat. It's done about 35k

I have two friends with Fiesta's from about 1998/2001 and neither have ever had problems. They've done about 60k

The transmissions in those Fiestas are not related at all to the dual clutch automatic in the current Fiesta available here in the states. That style of transmission only started showing up in Ford vehicles in 2008.

 

[Arkaign]

The transmissions in those Fiestas are not related at all to the dual clutch automatic in the current Fiesta available here in the states. That style of transmission only started showing up in Ford vehicles in 2008.

Yep, and indeed a fair number of the early DCT Fiestas and Focuses had complaints, though it seems that software fixes have helped largely eliminate the major problems. For example, that Jalopnik link is from March 2011, and I've not seen any real causes for concern since then.

Also, fwiw, Ford isn't telling customers to go suck a pole, they've fixed up the problems under warranty of course.

What would worry me far more is a large number of actual transmission failures of a mechanical nature, but again we haven't seen that at all.

 

[Bignate603]

Also, fwiw, Ford isn't telling customers to go suck a pole, they've fixed up the problems under warranty of course.

That is one thing I've liked about Ford's response. I'd rather have a car from a company that quietly solves the problems rather than one that tries to ignore it until there is a huge public outcry.

 

[HAL9000]

The transmissions in those Fiestas are not related at all to the dual clutch automatic in the current Fiesta available here in the states. That style of transmission only started showing up in Ford vehicles in 2008.

Did not know that, in all honesty I'm not that sure we have an automatic fiesta over here.

 

[Bignate603]

Did not know that, in all honesty I'm not that sure we have an automatic fiesta over here.

The Ford UK website shows that a 4 speed automatic is available but that's not the same as the 6 speed that's available here.

 

[Throckmorton]

It's not that Europe is small, it's that people probably spend less miles on the highway commuting to work like they do here.

 

[SparkyJJO]

I had 161k on my Camaro at the time of the accident. Original transmission.

I have 150k on my Trailblazer, original transmission. I'm aiming for well over 200k. I'd love to get 300k miles out of it, may be a bit of a stretch, but I'm gonna go for it

 

[Ferzerp]

The UK is 62 million people packed in to a landmass the size of oregon (which has under 4M). If you took the average population density of the US, and mapped it to the size of the UK, You would have just under 8M people. We don't pack people together nearly as tightly on average, which yes, leads to many more miles driven. Now, in urban settings this isn't the case obviously, but we're talking 650 people per square mile vs 84 or so.

 

[Throckmorton]

The UK is 62 million people packed in to a landmass the size of oregon (which has under 4M). If you took the average population density of the US, and mapped it to the size of the UK, You would have just under 8M people. We don't pack people together nearly as tightly on average, which yes, leads to many more miles driven. Now, in urban settings this isn't the case obviously, but we're talking 650 people per square mile vs 84 or so.

The vast majority of Americans live in cities and suburbs though. Rural areas and the huge amount of undeveloped land skew the numbers.