10,000 rpm IDE question

[Mixxen]

When? Why are there none out yet?

 

[Demonicon]

SCSI

 

[Paulson]

Because they want to get scsi going at faster RPM before they want to bring up their ide drives...

At least that's what I figure.

 

[Mixxen]

So they probably have the technology to do it.....but are not making them because of marketing! :|

 

[Becks2k]

my guess is home users wouldn't want it... ide is for the masses

like dell selling a system with a 10000rpm drive

hot = not good
they're loud = not good
you don't have 80gig 10000rpm drives, even scsi... well cept for that 8 platter thing but normal height drives
if person buying a dell had to choose 60gig 7200rpm or 36gig 10k...

 

[FlippyBoy]

1. COST - it would cost too much. people buy ide becasue its cheap. if im gonna send that much money on a hard drive, its gonna be scsi.

2. PERFORMANCE - or rather, lack thereof from ide. the ide bus wasnt meant for performance. i dont think that the bus as it currently exists would be able to benifit significantly from super-high performance drives.

i think the cost issue is the the most significant. when people want cheap storage, they go ide. when people want high-performance, they go scsi. how would a 10k rpm ide drive be marketed? as a high-performance value drive, or a value high-performance drive? (there is a differnece)

 

[fkloster]

Why doesn't Honda make a V-12 twin-turbo Accord LX?

 

[Alex]

y'all realise that in the future its very likely that IDE takes over SCSI with the speed crown with ata133 n stuff. althouh 133 is nothing and plain overkill, its an advance, and with the serial IDE ...now thats gonna rock! nowadays ya can get ide hds @ 7200 with 8bm buffers and if only they had faster spindle speeds they could seriously challenge scsi in my point of view... i hope the serial IDE = lower access times...

 

[Smbu]

<< you don't have 80gig 10000rpm drives, even scsi... well cept for that 8 platter thing but normal height drives
if person buying a dell had to choose 60gig 7200rpm or 36gig 10k... >>


Well, the 72GB(or is it 73gb?) Maxtor Atlas 10K III drive is a 1" height drive. Too bad mine doesn't work, or I'd be using that in addition to my 36Gb Atlas 10K II and my 36GB Seagate Cheetah 36LP.

 

[ChrisIsBored]

Smbu i'll sell ya mine.. brand new still in packaging..

I was just about to ring in with the whole "Yeah they have 73G SCSI drives!" thing too...

 

[Sundog]

<< hot = not good
they're loud = not good
you don't have 80gig 10000rpm drives, even scsi... well cept for that 8 platter thing but normal height drives
if person buying a dell had to choose 60gig 7200rpm or 36gig 10k... >>



Well let see now, my Atlas 10K III (SCSI) requires a little additional cooling, but it is not hot. It also it not loud at all. Oh yeah, it is also a 73.4GB drive in a 1" form factor, so that pretty much goes completely against your statement.

Also my Atlas 10K II is 73.4GB, is a half-height drive, is quiet and not that hot.



Oh yeah, forgot to mention, there is also a 180GB Seagate SCSI drive out there!:Q

 

[Mookow]

<< y'all realise that in the future its very likely that IDE takes over SCSI with the speed crown with ata133 n stuff. althouh 133 is nothing and plain overkill, its an advance, and with the serial IDE ...now thats gonna rock! nowadays ya can get ide hds @ 7200 with 8bm buffers and if only they had faster spindle speeds they could seriously challenge scsi in my point of view... i hope the serial IDE = lower access times... >>


You need higher spindle speeds to get lower access times. There is only so much that you can reduce times by, and we are already there for the most part. One of serial ATA's main benefits is that the drives no longer have to share channels. Also, the higher bus speed is nice, but no ATA drive has a STR above 66MB/s. Since each will be getting its own channel, its a moot point.

 

[FlippyBoy]

<< y'all realise that in the future its very likely that IDE takes over SCSI with the speed crown with ata133 n stuff. althouh 133 is nothing and plain overkill, its an advance, and with the serial IDE ...now thats gonna rock! nowadays ya can get ide hds @ 7200 with 8bm buffers and if only they had faster spindle speeds they could seriously challenge scsi in my point of view... i hope the serial IDE = lower access times... >>



scsi is up to 320 megs/sec right now, and i refuse to believe that the latest ide will ever come even close to the latest scsi anytime soon. even if serial ide does challenge scsi in terms of transfer rates (which i doubt) scsi has so many more advantages over ide besides transfer rates. scsi can handle more devices per chain, scsi can access more than one drive at a time per chain, scsi has lower cpu utilization and scsi drives are generally built better than ide drives (longer warranties, too). this isnt a scsi vs. ide thread, so ill stop there. my point is that both ide and scsi have their target markets, and it would be silly to give one the atributes of the other, becasue then it would have no market. i think fkloster said it best. it just wouldnt work.

 

[Alex]

dunno... i was just tryin to spark sumthin up here but ya said it good... this isnt a scsi vs ide thread so ill drop it... and my next rig is 100% scsi neways so there!

 

[sharkeeper]

As spindle speeds get faster, access times increase nearly proportionately. One must remember though as the drive physically becomes more capable of greater i/o, the limits of the interface (ATA) would severely handicap this benefit. A 10,000 rpm ATA drive would fall far behind a 10,000 SCSI drive in a server or high end workstation (user heavily multitasking) due to the limits of ATA.

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Cheers!