#1 reason why Linux hasnt taken over the marketplace

wuggle

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Couple weeks ago I installed RHEL 4 (Red Hat Enterprise Linux) on a web-development server. Everything installed perfectly off the CDs and I was able to get the server up and running in a couple hours. I was impressed that it was that easy and that *gasp* everything worked!

Not for long though... The CDs came with MySQL 3.23 and I needed atleast 4.1 in order to do what I needed to do. So now, I'm stuck in a dependency crawl which will probably end with my breaking half the system or re-installing EVERYTHING in order to get it up and running.

The point is, this type of behaviour is unacceptable if Linux is to have any chance at mainstream use, and the sad part is that nothing can be done about it =(
 

doornail

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In other words, because an enterprise OS designed with an emphasis on stability doesn't ship with version X that you need to do something a little more bleeding edge, Linux as a whole is collossal failure? C'mon. If it shipped with version Y and crashed some other person would be posting about how instability is why "why Linux hasnt taken over the marketplace."

Nothing is stopping you from downloading MySQL 4.1 from http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/ and installing it manually -- which is all kinds of simple.
 

Crusty

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Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Why the hell are you installing by hand? :confused: :shock;

Exactly, especially with a server. The last thing I would want to do is worry about dependencies on a production machine. Why aren't you using yum to update mySQL?
 

nweaver

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and Exchange is doomed too, because I had some dependency problems when I installed it...


buck up and fix it, it's not that tough. Use a package manager to fix the problem. When I need a newer version of product X, I just emerge programx and walk away for a few minutes.
 

IEC

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In reference to the thread title, it's that people can't play as many games on Linux as they can on Windows - if I could play all my games well on a Linux config I wouldn't even use Windows... currently trying to figure out if Counterstrike: Source will work on Linux...
 

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The title to this thread is FUD. We have strengths and weaknesses with all operating systems. Pointless blaming Linux or any operating system on a admin/user not being able to correctly upgrade software.
 

Nothinman

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The point is, this type of behaviour is unacceptable if Linux is to have any chance at mainstream use, and the sad part is that nothing can be done about it =(

Things have been done about it for years, the fact that you don't know about them doesn't make Linux suck.
 

bersl2

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Originally posted by: ariafrost
In reference to the thread title, it's that people can't play as many games on Linux as they can on Windows - if I could play all my games well on a Linux config I wouldn't even use Windows... currently trying to figure out if Counterstrike: Source will work on Linux...

Read this.
 

ITJunkie

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#1 reason why Linux hasnt taken over the marketplace...

is the lack of understanding by end users and/or their willingness to spend a bit of time learning a truly unique and customizable OS. I don't mean this as a put down only as an observation.

Their are very few OSes out there that give you the freedom to totally tweak your environment to the point that nothing else comes close to "being you". The fact that it is free is simply icing on the cake!!

I admit it can have a learning curve right out of the gate but there is so much documentation and help available that it won't take you long to get up and flying.

In other words, don't wait until you are so frustrated that you feel the need to start a thread with the above heading but rather when stuck, post something here and you will be amazed at the depth of understanding many ATOTers have about this stuff and how much they are willing to provide you solutions.
 

TGS

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Originally posted by: ITJunkie


is the lack of understanding by end users and/or their willingness to spend a bit of time learning


Dell is easy, it comes with OS preinstalled. A quick recovery cd, and a support rube behind the phone if the CD proves to be worthless. The fact that people would rather just pay Conglomerate A for support, than learn to do it themselves, which is why it's so difficult for real market penetration.





 

minofifa

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my 0.02....

i just tried fedora core 4 (some can probably remember the many dumb questions i asked to get going here). The reason i'm sticking with windows for now is ease of use. perhaps, i'm just used to the way windows works but found the fedora distro of linux to be confusing and frustrating.
one it was noticeably slower than windows,
two, i found the mounting/unmounting of drives to be a huge annoyance (granted i dont understand it, but i know that i don't have to do it in windows. I'm referring to how you need to mount a drive to access data on it, and then unmount it before shutting down).
three, it seemed like yum installed a crap load of programs on my computer.

i consider myself to be a comfortable computer user. I found linux to be daunting and frustrating. I think if i had a lot of free time i could master it. Unfortuantely i don't, and i dont think a lot of other people do either (or most just don't care enough to bother learning it).
 

nweaver

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I wish Windows would allow for mounting/unmounting devices/partitions like linux does. I wish windows would let me shut the GUI off on the server. I had problems with programX that is not part of windows, but I blame them anyway. I want a command line tool to go out and DL the programs I need....gofetch exchange2k3 and it configuring/finding/resolving most dependencies would make me thing about running windows.
 

hopejr

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It took me two times to get used to linux. Now I'm quite comfortable with it. If I ever got a PC again, I'd put a nice distro of linux on it, and have windows only for a couple of games and .NET programming.