1. Is it bad I pull the car out of gear without clutching?

[psteng19]

1. Is it bad I pull the car out of gear without clutching?

Haven't done it, don't want to try it, but want to know what would happen?
Is it bad for the tranny?



2. Also, is it bad to shift the gears when the car is off without clutching?

Car is parked, clutch pedal not depressed, move gears in and out gates.


Rephrased questions to make them less confusing.

 

[CRXican]

yes it's bad

not a good idea to shift gears when the car is off without the clutch

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: CRXican
yes it's bad

not a good idea to shift gears when the car is off without the clutch

Mind you, it's not TERRIBLE for the tranny, there are many worse things.

But if it's at all bad, why do it?

 

[acid45]

i have a 96 sunfire and i go in to neutral all the time without clutching.


Hell, i even shift without the cluctch (not 1st tho)


-Chris

 

[aircooled]

depends. I can shift a beetle without ever pressing the clutch. it's all about timing and syncing. you have to 'feel' the car.

 

[ucdbiendog]

i drive a 99 saturn sl2 and ive accidentally popped it out of fifth gear without pressing the lucth in while i was getting off the highway. it actually felt about the same as it does when i use the clutch. not something i try to do though

 

[BW86]

Isn't this called power shifting? Or is this shifting without letting off the gas?
nvm
Speed shifting is when you shift without letting up on the throttle.
Power shifting is when you shift without letting up on the throttle, and without using the clutch.

It can be done, but is very hard on the transmission. Most people who do this become expert transmission rebuilders (or simply broke, or both) in a short period of time.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Shifting Explained

And yes, you can shift without clutch if you have a synchro transmission (most "new" cars do) and a disregard for your car's longevity.

- M4H

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

I do it sometimes, not often at all though, as long as you don't do it a lot, the car will be just fine

 

[FlyLice]

1. Yes
2. No

 

[MercenaryForHire]

While we're on the subject of "Dumb questions about Manual Transmissions"

3. Is it bad if I do a 5->2 downshift on my Carrera GT?

- M4H

 

[spidey07]

no and no.

I shift without a clutch all the time.

 

[TheLonelyPhoenix]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
While we're on the subject of "Dumb questions about Manual Transmissions"

3. Is it bad if I do a 5->2 downshift on my Carrera GT?

- M4H

The Money Shift.

In other news, urinating in your car's gas tank is advised against by most manufacturers...

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
While we're on the subject of "Dumb questions about Manual Transmissions"

3. Is it bad if I do a 5->2 downshift on my Carrera GT?

- M4H

Why would that be a bad thing? So long as you're under 60mph or whatever the GT's 2nd gear speed maxes out at, there should be no problem.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
While we're on the subject of "Dumb questions about Manual Transmissions"

3. Is it bad if I do a 5->2 downshift on my Carrera GT?

- M4H

Why would that be a bad thing? So long as you're under 60mph or whatever the GT's 2nd gear speed maxes out at, there should be no problem.

You'd expect me to be under 60mph in fifth gear on a Carrera GT?

BTW, spider.

- M4H

 

[TheLonelyPhoenix]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
While we're on the subject of "Dumb questions about Manual Transmissions"

3. Is it bad if I do a 5->2 downshift on my Carrera GT?

- M4H

Why would that be a bad thing? So long as you're under 60mph or whatever the GT's 2nd gear speed maxes out at, there should be no problem.

You'd expect me to be under 60mph in fifth gear on a Carrera GT?

BTW, spider.

- M4H

Changing the avatar can't save you now!

 

[Demo24]

I dont think its bad to shift gears if the cars off. or do the auto auction people tape the clutches open? though I dont think so cause it has a heft to it

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
While we're on the subject of "Dumb questions about Manual Transmissions"

3. Is it bad if I do a 5->2 downshift on my Carrera GT?

- M4H

Why would that be a bad thing? So long as you're under 60mph or whatever the GT's 2nd gear speed maxes out at, there should be no problem.

You'd expect me to be under 60mph in fifth gear on a Carrera GT?

BTW, spider.

- M4H

Changing the avatar can't save you now!

You know, I was thinking about buying a used car.

Something sporty.

A two-seater convertible.

Like a Mitsubishi Eclipse.

SPIDER.

- M4H

 

[TheLonelyPhoenix]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
While we're on the subject of "Dumb questions about Manual Transmissions"

3. Is it bad if I do a 5->2 downshift on my Carrera GT?

- M4H

Why would that be a bad thing? So long as you're under 60mph or whatever the GT's 2nd gear speed maxes out at, there should be no problem.

You'd expect me to be under 60mph in fifth gear on a Carrera GT?

BTW, spider.

- M4H

Changing the avatar can't save you now!

You know, I was thinking about buying a used car.

Something sporty.

A two-seater convertible.

Like a Mitsubishi Eclipse.

SPIDER.

- M4H

Hmmm... I'd like a roadster myself.

What's that Toyota one called?

MR2 Spyder?

 

[Kishan]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
While we're on the subject of "Dumb questions about Manual Transmissions"

3. Is it bad if I do a 5->2 downshift on my Carrera GT?

- M4H

Why would that be a bad thing? So long as you're under 60mph or whatever the GT's 2nd gear speed maxes out at, there should be no problem.

You'd expect me to be under 60mph in fifth gear on a Carrera GT?

BTW, spider.

- M4H

Changing the avatar can't save you now!

You know, I was thinking about buying a used car.

Something sporty.

A two-seater convertible.

Like a Mitsubishi Eclipse.

SPIDER.

- M4H

Hmmm... I'd like a roadster myself.

What's that Toyota one called?

MR2 Spyder?

I pwn you n00bs with my Ferrari 355 Spider. Rollin' on 20's g.

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
While we're on the subject of "Dumb questions about Manual Transmissions"

3. Is it bad if I do a 5->2 downshift on my Carrera GT?

- M4H

Why would that be a bad thing? So long as you're under 60mph or whatever the GT's 2nd gear speed maxes out at, there should be no problem.

You'd expect me to be under 60mph in fifth gear on a Carrera GT?

BTW, spider.

- M4H

ouch

 

[Pacfanweb]

1. Doesn't hurt a thing to pull the shifter out of gear without the clutch, especially if you do it right when you let off the gas. There's a moment where there's no pressure on the drivetrain (it's unloaded) from either accelerating or decelerating....it will pop out as easily as if you had the clutch pushed in. Someone mentioned that you have to "feel" the car....that's what they're talking about.
You can also shift the trans w/out the clutch in a similar fashion.
Anyway, you can take the trans out of gear w/out the clutch with no problem.

2. Shift all you want w/out the clutch when the engine's off. No problem.

 

[valypop]

1. No as long as you don't press accelerator pedal in the same time. On the other side is bad to put the car in a gear without clutching because is very hard to synchronise gears before engaging just " by feeling it "
2. No as long as the car is not on a ramp because in this situation your transmission keeps it against moving. If you have parking brake on, your transmission will not be under tension and the gears does not move (engine off) so does not matter if you engage them or not.

Think about this: you have inside transmission 2 gears ( making very simplistic ): one connected to the engine and rotating at the engine speed and the other one connected to the wheels rotating at the speed of the wheels. Between the gear and the engine you have the clutch. The clutch disconect the gear from engine and let it syncronize in speed with the pair gear so you will be able to engage them. If they are allready engaged they are rotating allready syncron each other so it is not important to press the clutch pedal. Just don't press the accelerator because that will put the engine gear under tension and pulling off gear will be difficult and riskier to damage gears. If you hear that "crrrrrrrrrrrrrrr" noise that mean one gear has higher rpm than it's pair gear and they touched each other. Happens mostly when you try to engage them without clutching

All the above refers to standard manual transmissions but I think the newer transmissions have more protections build in.

Just to be safe keep using the clutch. When the car is off, stop changing gears, the stick shift is not for "mixing the gas in the gas tank"

Happy driving.

 

[JoeKing]

Originally posted by: KPSHAH316

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
While we're on the subject of "Dumb questions about Manual Transmissions"

3. Is it bad if I do a 5->2 downshift on my Carrera GT?

- M4H

Why would that be a bad thing? So long as you're under 60mph or whatever the GT's 2nd gear speed maxes out at, there should be no problem.

You'd expect me to be under 60mph in fifth gear on a Carrera GT?

BTW, spider.

- M4H

Changing the avatar can't save you now!

You know, I was thinking about buying a used car.

Something sporty.

A two-seater convertible.

Like a Mitsubishi Eclipse.

SPIDER.

- M4H

Hmmm... I'd like a roadster myself.

What's that Toyota one called?

MR2 Spyder?

I pwn you n00bs with my Ferrari 355 Spider. Rollin' on 20's g.

Bah my Lamborghini Murcielago Spider would make you all cry cause of the dust in yo eyes!!

 

[TheLonelyPhoenix]

Fvcking up shifting while using clutch: Wear on the clutch. This part is intended to sustain wear and can be replaced for a few hundred.

Fvcking up shifting without using clutch: Wear transmitted directly to syncros and tranny. Much badness will ensue after one-too-many mistakes.

Use the clutch, that's what its there for.