1.6 Billion Rounds Of Ammo For Homeland Security? It's Time For A National Conversati

NoStateofMind

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The Denver Post, on February 15th, ran an Associated Press article entitled Homeland Security aims to buy 1.6b rounds of ammo, so far to little notice. It confirmed that the Department of Homeland Security has issued an open purchase order for 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. As reported elsewhere, some of this purchase order is for hollow-point rounds, forbidden by international law for use in war, along with a frightening amount specialized for snipers. Also reported elsewhere, at the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month. Therefore 1.6 billion rounds would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years. In America.

Add to this perplexing outré purchase of ammo, DHS now is showing off its acquisition of heavily armored personnel carriers, repatriated from the Iraqi and Afghani theaters of operation. As observed by “paramilblogger” Ken Jorgustin last September:Why indeed? It is utterly inconceivable that Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano is planning a coup d’etat against President Obama, and the Congress, to install herself as Supreme Ruler of the United States of America. There, however, are real signs that the Department bureaucrats are running amok. About 20 years ago this columnist worked, for two years, in the U.S. Department of Energy’s general counsel’s office in its procurement and finance division. And is wise to the ways. The answer to “why would DHS need such a vehicle?” almost certainly is this: it’s a cool toy and these (reportedly) million dollar toys are being recycled, without much of a impact on the DHS budget. So… why not?

Why, indeed, should the federal government not be deploying armored personnel carriers and stockpiling enough ammo for a 20-year war in the homeland? Because it’s wrong in every way. President Obama has an opportunity, now, to live up to some of his rhetoric by helping the federal government set a noble example in a matter very close to his heart (and that of his Progressive base), one not inimical to the Bill of Rights: gun control. The federal government can (for a nice change) begin practicing what it preaches by controlling itself.


Wow, just wow.What is going on here? What is the reason for so much ammo and personnel carriers? Enough ammo for 20yrs? Forgive me if I don't trust these asshats.
 

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Wow, just wow.What is going on here? What is the reason for so much ammo and personnel carriers? Enough ammo for 20yrs? Forgive me if I don't trust these asshats.

To watch the conspiracy theorists get their panties in a bunch?

I don't trust these asshats either but there's some large leaps being made by the article.
 

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Wow, just wow.What is going on here? What is the reason for so much ammo and personnel carriers? Enough ammo for 20yrs? Forgive me if I don't trust these asshats.

Let em come, I got my AK and a working knowledge of self defense.
 

waggy

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they need to send some of that ammo to the Marine core.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/11/desperate-times-marines-told-to-save-every-round/?hpt=hp_t1

CNN) – United States Marines are being told to preserve ammunition and gasoline as a deal softening the impact of automatic spending cuts continues to elude leaders in Washington.

Marine Corps Commandant James Amos urged personnel in a video posted online Friday to "save every round, every gallon of gas," and to "take every single aspect or opportunity in training to get the most bang for the buck," a reminder of the cuts' immediate effect on the U.S. military.
 

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Wow, just wow.What is going on here? What is the reason for so much ammo and personnel carriers? Enough ammo for 20yrs? Forgive me if I don't trust these asshats.

Do you have a link verifying that the 1.6 billion figure is correct?

https://marketplace.fedbid.com/fbweb/fbobuyDetails.do?token===wBKxmaVGYR9Kcq5Ajq%2BRH6QAAAAAHeAAgAgTFCGg/FzzqQbJAAyVXBA0Or

I think this is the actual buy that is out there and see around a bid put out there for 240,000 rounds not 1.6 Billion. Do you have reliable links verifying the 1.6 billion round figure? Hopefully a link showing the actual bids.
 

OverVolt

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Stock up on cheap rounds before prices rise even more.

Brass/Nickel 20 years from now will be hella expensive.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Do you have a link verifying that the 1.6 billion figure is correct?

https://marketplace.fedbid.com/fbweb/fbobuyDetails.do?token===wBKxmaVGYR9Kcq5Ajq%2BRH6QAAAAAHeAAgAgTFCGg/FzzqQbJAAyVXBA0Or

I think this is the actual buy that is out there and see around a bid put out there for 240,000 rounds not 1.6 Billion. Do you have reliable links verifying the 1.6 billion round figure? Hopefully a link showing the actual bids.

The claim isn't that 1.6 billion rounds are being purchased, but that is the stockpiled figure. Purchased were supposedly 21.6 million new additions. These are claimed figures. Ib haven't had a chance to make an attempted verification.
 

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Apparently the goal is to have 1.6 billion rounds and the reason for that number is the price per round is less. Apparently up to 15 million are used annually giving us a hundred years worth or so. Doesn't sound like a good use of money.
 

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Apparently the goal is to have 1.6 billion rounds and the reason for that number is the price per round is less. Apparently up to 15 million are used annually giving us a hundred years worth or so. Doesn't sound like a good use of money.

funny, that's the same reason that civilians buy ammo in 1000rd cases. but some states want finger prints and/or background checks for 500 rounds. the people making the laws probably never fired a gun in their life, or damn close to it :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

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funny, that's the same reason that civilians buy ammo in 1000rd cases. but some states want finger prints and/or background checks for 500 rounds. the people making the laws probably never fired a gun in their life, or damn close to it :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

It's not a bad idea to save money and purchasing in bulk makes sense up to a point. I'd say that an avid shooter might be better off doing so, but a century's worth of rounds might not be the best use of their income.

Government doesn't have to make sense. It's not like the bureaucracy is accountable in any real sense.
 

Jaepheth

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My first thought is that the people in charge at the DHS needed some cash sinks so that they could justify their current budget and possibly request a bigger budget next time around.

"We didn't have 1 spare cent last year; so you can't cut our budget. If anything we need more monies! GIVE ME ALL YOUR MONEY!"
 

Socio

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1.6 billion rounds of ammo, how much will the total cost be?

Don't know the cost but on the radio yesterday they said that was enough ammunition to supply the Iraq war at its height for 24 years.
 

fskimospy

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Yeah if you only count the bullets shot in war and not the millions and millions used in training.

Also, check how many police officers exist in the US.

The conspiracy theories never end, do they?
 
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Didn't we have this same thread last week?

Yo net caught on to how the right wing conspiracy process works yet? You have to recycle the same outrages over and over to really make them stick. When they are completely baseless you need to increase the efforts.
 

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Yeah if you only count the bullets shot in war and not the millions and millions used in training.

Also, check how many police officers exist in the US.

The conspiracy theories never end, do they?

Why would DHS be purchasing rounds for local LEO? It would be great if that was the case - reduce costs for the small municipalities.

Why does DHS need APCs though?
 

sm625

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Yo net caught on to how the right wing conspiracy process works yet? You have to recycle the same outrages over and over to really make them stick. When they are completely baseless you need to increase the efforts.

So exactly when does it become not baseless? They have no reason to purchase that much ammo. And no tax payer has any reason to accept this kind of fraud and abuse of tax dollars. Aside from malicious intent, the only rational reason to buy all that ammo is if you think the price of ammo is about to explode due to a coming currency crisis. In the end that is just as bad, since it is this sort of reckless spending that brings about currency crises.
 
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So exactly when does it become not baseless? They have no reason to purchase that much ammo. And no tax payer has any reason to accept this kind of fraud and abuse of tax dollars. Aside from malicious intent, the only rational reason to buy all that ammo is if you think the price of ammo is about to explode due to a coming currency crisis. In the end that is just as bad, since it is this sort of reckless spending that brings about currency crises.

Here, read this. It's from Fox no less.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ent-homeland-security-buying-so-many-bullets/