[1/6/24: A crazy problem - need your thoughts] Bow before me I built a new rig. Boy, things have come a long way.

Zeze

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I'm at a disbelief.

I got 7800X3D / PRO-B650-P-WIFI / 32gb DDR5 6000 / RTX 2070 (old).

The system worked all perfectly as you know. The AM5 B650 mobo's well-known memory training issue of booting slow wasn't a problem to me. It worked beautifully, and it just had 8 seconds of extra boot time.

I've also successfully updated the BIOS few months ago.

  1. Today I realized there's another new BIOS version out.
  2. So I went inside my BIOS with the past successful method of using the USB stick to update it.
  3. But this time, the BIOS couldn't boot into the 'update mode' like it did previously. It would just hang.
  4. Now, remember this is me without trying to update anything. It just couldn't get to the 'update mode' screen anymore. The boot-up screen just hangs with no video, no bios, no nothing.
  5. This is where all hell breaks loose. Suddenly, I just can't get to the BIOS at all. It was so easy before (Del). It would just freeze and refuses to bootup
  6. But if I don't try to go to BIOS, it boots to Win11 just fine (LOL). I tried to boot into BIOS via Win11 (via advanced recovery under settings). Nope still hangs.
  7. So yea, I'm locked out of getting into BIOS.
  8. I painstakingly cleared the CMOS and also even removed the damn battery out for 5 minutes hoping it would reset to the stable version. Nope, the issue from #4 persists. HOW?
  9. I still can't get into BIOS. Mechanically speaking, how doesn't clearing the CMOS resolve this issue?
  10. I can't even check what BIOS version my mobo is at since the CMOS because it still hangs and I can't get into BIOS.
Thank you.





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I have been upgrading my 10+ old rig like a Frankenstein's monster. Well I finally have a 'mostly' clean slate.

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Before:
i3-2130
8 gb DDR3 1600Mhz
GTX 1060 6gb
23" 1080p 60hz monitor

Upgraded over the years until yesterday
i7-3770
16 gb DDR3 1600Mhz
RTX 2070 8gb
SATA SSD

The above served me well. The case was ancient with a broken front panel.

Now:
Ryzen 7 7800X3D
32gb DDR5 6000Mhz
RTX2070 8gb (underpowered yes, will be upgraded few years from now)
NVMe M2 SSD
32" 1440p 165hz monitor
Corsair 4000d case
Windows 11 from 10

Things I have noticed:
  • Although this isn't entirely new. I'm still fascinated by how fast the fresh USB install of Windows is. It took about 12 minutes to the desktop. I remember Win98 / Win2K taking 60+ minutes... Ugh.
  • BIOS has better graphics now than Win95, wow and supports mouse?!?
  • The 165hz monitor experience is indeed amazing. G-sync literally improved the performance of my gaming (no more vsync stuttter).
  • This is my first branded PC case. Those weren't so rampant back then. Man, the case has so much QoL improvements - cable management, more user friendly, POST-boot lights were helpful.
  • The machine is quiet. But it's amazing how fans don't even spin up playing some AAA titles (OW2).
Questions:
  • I believe my RAM timing is subpar at 36-36-92~. Is it worth OC'ing? It would be my first time.
  • How do I get rid of bloat in Win11?
Moved from OT.
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Zeze

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Ryzen 7800X3D army rise up.
The new rig isn't quieter at idle vs my old machine. This is also has to do with the new case being a mesh everywhere.

However, when I'm playing Overwatch 2, the CPU and GPU fans don't even get louder. Wow.

The CPU handles it like it's Winamp or something. I love it.
 
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Which memory kit do you have? If it uses hynix, then Buildzoid has an easy guide to set them up.

I whent from a 5820k myself, so I can only agree with your experience.

Congrats :)
 
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The new rig isn't quieter at idle vs my old machine. This is also has to do with the new case being a mesh everywhere.

However, when I'm playing Overwatch 2, the CPU and GPU fans don't even get louder. Wow.

The CPU handles it like it's Winamp or something. I love it.
Which cooler did you get?

Yes, the 7800X3D is an efficiency monster.
 
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Hopefully there's a "preset" in the BIOS called "quiet" or "silent" mode you can just select and apply. (be advised it may undo any overclock you have set up)

If not another other option to quiet things down a bit would be to manually set the max RPM of each fan individually in the BIOS. **(YMMV with this feature dep on motherboard)
 
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Hopefully there's a "preset" in the BIOS called "quiet" or "silent" mode you can just select and apply. (just be advised it may undo any overclock you have set up)

If not another other option to quiet things down a bit would be to manually set they max RPM of each fan individually. **(YMMV with this feature dep on motherboard)
From my experience, with Gigabyte and MSI boards, there are some presents you can use for fan curves, independent of any overclocking settings.

However, I never found those presets that great, particularly if you have a case with a lot of intake fans or single large intake fan. I usually just manually adjusted them to create a curve that was more gentle at lower temps and ramped up as it got warmer. Easy enough to do
 

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One other factor to consider is that my boring old (mildly OC'ed) 5800x cooled by a 360mm Corsair AIO and 3x Noctua 120 fans STILL gets fairly loud under sustained heavy load and that's with a custom fan curve set.
 

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Its a nice enough case to work with and rather cheap. Like said depending on the mobo you can adjust your fans in bios. Gigabyte often yes also seen it on Asrock. Both PWM and Voltage contol. Should be a must :)

Good luck mate and awesome :D
 
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Its a nice enough case to work with and rather cheap.
I second this. I have a 4000D myself, and coming from mITX land (Corsair 250D, FD Core 500), I found the case to be a real treat to build in. A nice set of areas for cable tie downs and routing, plenty of fan mounts, easy to clean dust filters, and a nice window that could let you light up (or not light up) your case however you want.

It was actually so nice when I built my current system that I decided that when it comes time to upgrade my wife's 5600X/B450 (which was originally a 2600/B450) in the FD Core 500 in a few years, I'll probably just get another ATX case instead of going mano-a-mano with the Core 500.
 

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I have the 5000X with a "grill" panel on top and glass on front. "X" version includes Corsair RGB fans.

Otherwise very similar case to the 4000D just larger. (when I bought it prices were still high though)
 
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my fun challenge doing a fresh windows install on a Dell G15 last month was that the Windows setup would not recognize a brand new virgin Samsung m2 SSD...

I had to copy the Intel RST (rapid storage) drivers to my USB install drive and select these drivers so the new SSD would be recognized. That was a complete PITA.

But I don't miss setting the IDE master/slave jumpers LOL
 
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my fun challenge doing a fresh windows install on a Dell G15 last month was that the Windows setup would not recognize a brand new virgin Samsung m2 SSD...

I had to copy the Intel RST (rapid storage) drivers to my USB install drive and select these drivers so the new SSD would be recognized. That was a complete PITA.

But I don't miss setting the IDE master/slave jumpers LOL
Why were you installing Windows XP? :p

IDE wasn't too bad. Some of us might remember ST-412:

Get off my lawn! ;)
 

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One other factor to consider is that my boring old (mildly OC'ed) 5800x cooled by a 360mm Corsair AIO and 3x Noctua 120 fans STILL gets fairly loud under sustained heavy load and that's with a custom fan curve set.
You do know that a fan curve does not need to top out @ 100%?

If your AIO can cool 300W and your CPU is throwing out 150W, you should be able to max the curve at maybe 70%
 

Zeze

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Which cooler did you get?

Yes, the 7800X3D is an efficiency monster.

Peerless Assassin 120 SE

You could probably fix that with your BIOS fan curves.
Yea will dig around the BIOS. I updated it to the latest (Nov 23).
Also, don't forget to turn on XMP/DOCP to get your real RAM speed.
Yup at 6000
Hopefully there's a "preset" in the BIOS called "quiet" or "silent" mode you can just select and apply. (be advised it may undo any overclock you have set up)

If not another other option to quiet things down a bit would be to manually set the max RPM of each fan individually in the BIOS. **(YMMV with this feature dep on motherboard)
If I have a fan profile in BIOS
But also another profile in desktop via MSI Afterburner. Which one wins?
 
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If I have a fan profile in BIOS
But also another profile in desktop via MSI Afterburner. Which one wins?
I always prefer to just set my fan curve in the BIOS because I don't want extraneous software running in the background.

And I'd only maybe bother with MSI afterburner if I was OCing my GPU and the AMD control panel didn't give me fine enough control.
 
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Peerless Assassin 120 SE


Yea will dig around the BIOS. I updated it to the latest (Nov 23).

Yup at 6000

If I have a fan profile in BIOS
But also another profile in desktop via MSI Afterburner. Which one wins?
Just use fancontrol, it does a very good job combining GPU, CPU and case fan profiles.

 
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I always prefer to just set my fan curve in the BIOS because I don't want extraneous software running in the background.

And I'd only maybe bother with MSI afterburner if I was OCing my GPU and the AMD control panel didn't give me fine enough control.

Took the words right out of my mouth.... be nice if they did the same with RGB too.
 
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Took the words right out of my mouth.... be nice if they did the same with RGB too.
I believe the latest version of W11 has some ambient lighting controls built in. Not sure what the compatibility is though.

I have lighting myself, but nothing addressable or controllable: a solid white LED strip around the inside top, plugged into a SATA power connector, and GPU that is a single color LED.
 
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