1.4 Billion wasted

Genx87

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http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/14/fema.audit/index.html

This could almost be comical if it wasnt so pathetic.

My favorite has to be the people who collected rent from FEMA staying in hotel rooms paid for by FEMA!

Hello, anybody in there or are we just handing money out because it is there?

Oh wait, what am I thinking, this is the federal govt. Spend first, ask questions later.

 

techs

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Maybe if FEMA had been run by a qualified manager instead of guy who got fired from the Arabian Horse Association we wouldn't have had these problems.
Just a thought.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: techs
Maybe if FEMA had been run by a qualified manager instead of guy who got fired from the Arabian Horse Association we wouldn't have had these problems.
Just a thought.

Wishful thinking, this is govt we are talking about.

 

Ronstang

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But if they would have controlled the money and spent it wisely the Liberals would have cried that the government/administration was being inhumane and racist. You can't win with these people.
 

smack Down

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Originally posted by: Ronstang
But if they would have controlled the money and spent it wisely the Liberals would have cried that the government/administration was being inhumane and racist. You can't win with these people.

Ther are always to option to you people. You can either screw up or screw so, bush screwing up isn't a big deal. Ever consider that help could be given to those in need.
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: techs
Maybe if FEMA had been run by a qualified manager instead of guy who got fired from the Arabian Horse Association we wouldn't have had these problems.
Just a thought.

Yeah, then it might have been as low as $1.3 billion!
 

kage69

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Wishful thinking, this is govt we are talking about.

I certainly agree with that, but I also think the severity of FEMA's 'dropping of the ball' might have also played a role in this. It's inexcusable performance and innept leadership in a time of extreme need led to abject outrage from all sides. I can see FEMA brass suddenly ditching the normal standards and MO of disaster relief in an attempt to salvage what remains of it's dignity.


There are a lot of crooks out there that deserve some of the blame as well though. I've talked to several contractors and electricians who exercised vacation time to go down to the area in order to help, yet joked to me how easy it was charge insane amounts of money for menial, easy repairs. I know literally dozens of families from Hialeah and Homestead Florida who were screwed by dishonest contractors over Hurrican Andrew repairs (shoddy construction and plumbing would be a step up from what these people paid for) - I can't imagine what we'll be hearing in the next year or so regarding the areas hit by Katrina. :(


Disgusting indeed. :(





 

dullard

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Don't think of it as a waste. Think of it as a wealth distribution program. That is, in the end, what all government spending is. No money disappears thus it isn't actually a waste. It just goes from some people's tax bill into other people's wallets.
 

WHAMPOM

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I agree, the repubs can do Govmnt better then the Dems, they can waste more money and get less back from the use of it!
 

Ronstang

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Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Ronstang
But if they would have controlled the money and spent it wisely the Liberals would have cried that the government/administration was being inhumane and racist. You can't win with these people.

Ther are always to option to you people. You can either screw up or screw so, bush screwing up isn't a big deal. Ever consider that help could be given to those in need.


If you could compose a coherent thought I might understand what you are talking about.
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: zendari
The govt should have never handed out these debit cards.

How should they have handled this then? At least with the debit cards they could track every purchase so they can see who the fvck ups are. Or are you saying the gov should have done nothing in the way of assistance... can never tell with you.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Let's be honest, 1.4B is a drop in the bucket for this administration.

That may be but it isnt a drop in the bucket in terms of raw dollar amounts.

What do you think the avg take was for this? 5-6K a person? That is about 300,000 people in on this scam. That is no small deal.

 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: zendari
The govt should have never handed out these debit cards.

How should they have handled this then? At least with the debit cards they could track every purchase so they can see who the fvck ups are. Or are you saying the gov should have done nothing in the way of assistance... can never tell with you.

The problem is it doesnt appear they validated the identities of many of people showing up for the cards. Thus you have a purchase made but the person using the card isnt who they say they are.

 

kage69

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But if they would have controlled the money and spent it wisely the Liberals would have cried that the government/administration was being inhumane and racist. You can't win with these people.

More speculation from someone with a hardon for liberal hate. Now I'm the one who is unsurprised.

Your axe to grind with liberals doesn't change the fact that Bush's penchant for cronyism screwed us. Unless you think this is no different than the disaster responses under Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan, Carter, etc? Desire to have FEMA perform it's role the way it's expected to, the way it has in the past, is not a partisan issue!

If you want to speculate, let us know your take on why Bush considered a Padre's game more pressing than the immediate needs of hundreds of thousands of Americans. Want to take a gander at why Chertoff went to a seminar while some Southerners were climbing onto their roofs?

You apologists make me sick. :|
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Let's be honest, 1.4B is a drop in the bucket for this administration.

That may be but it isnt a drop in the bucket in terms of raw dollar amounts.

What do you think the avg take was for this? 5-6K a person? That is about 300,000 people in on this scam. That is no small deal.
Because worrying about how 1.4B was spent by people who lost everything they owned while we're spending hundreds of billions in Iraq, and wasting god know how much everywhere else is being penny wise and pound foolish.

If our finances were straight across the board, I'd be complaining right along with you. But hell, my state just gave a gift of half a billion dollars to a billionaire in the form of the stadium that I get to pay for for the next 30 years. FEMA debit cards are small potatos.
 

kage69

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If our finances were straight across the board, I'd be complaining right along with you. But hell, my state just gave a gift of half a billion dollars to a billionaire in the form of the stadium that I get to pay for for the next 30 years. FEMA debit cards are small potatos.


YIKES!:Q Where do you live?
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: techs
Maybe if FEMA had been run by a qualified manager instead of guy who got fired from the Arabian Horse Association we wouldn't have had these problems.
Just a thought.
Maybe we need to look at the incompetence of this administration all the way to the top. Before the Bush administration gutted FEMA, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co...rticle/2005/08/29/AR2005082901445.html.
Destroying FEMA

By Eric Holdeman

Tuesday, August 30, 2005
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FEMA was born in 1979, the offspring of a number of federal agencies that had been functioning in an independent and uncoordinated manner to protect the country against natural disasters and nuclear holocaust. In its early years FEMA grew and matured, with formal programs being developed to respond to large-scale disasters and with extensive planning for what is called "continuity of government."

The creation of the federal agency encouraged states, counties and cities to convert from their civil defense organizations and also to establish emergency management agencies to do the requisite planning for disasters. Over time, a philosophy of "all-hazards disaster preparedness" was developed that sought to conserve resources by producing single plans that were applicable to many types of events.

But it was Hurricane Andrew, which hit Florida in 1992, that really energized FEMA. The year after that catastrophic storm, President Bill Clinton appointed James Lee Witt to be director of the agency. Witt was the first professional emergency manager to run the agency. Showing a serious regard for the cost of natural disasters in both economic impact and lives lost or disrupted, Witt reoriented FEMA from civil defense preparations to a focus on natural disaster preparedness and disaster mitigation. In an effort to reduce the repeated loss of property and lives every time a disaster struck, he started a disaster mitigation effort called "Project Impact." FEMA was elevated to a Cabinet-level agency, in recognition of its important responsibilities coordinating efforts across departmental and governmental lines.

Witt fought for federal funding to support the new program. At its height, only $20 million was allocated to the national effort, but it worked wonders. One of the best examples of the impact the program had here in the central Puget Sound area and in western Washington state was in protecting people at the time of the Nisqually earthquake on Feb. 28, 2001. Homes had been retrofitted for earthquakes and schools were protected from high-impact structural hazards. Those involved with Project Impact thought it ironic that the day of that quake was also the day that the then-new president chose to announce that Project Impact would be discontinued.

Indeed, the advent of the Bush administration in January 2001 signaled the beginning of the end for FEMA. The newly appointed leadership of the agency showed little interest in its work or in the missions pursued by the departed Witt. Then came the Sept. 11 attacks and the creation of the Department of Homeland Security. Soon FEMA was being absorbed into the "homeland security borg."

This year it was announced that FEMA is to "officially" lose the disaster preparedness function that it has had since its creation. The move is a death blow to an agency that was already on life support. In fact, FEMA employees have been directed not to become involved in disaster preparedness functions, since a new directorate (yet to be established) will have that mission.

(article continues)
Even good old Brownie said the same thing:
Former FEMA director says agency was gutted

By Chris Strohm
cstrohm@govexec.com
The former director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency told Congress Tuesday that the agency was beleaguered and beaten up by budget cuts and personnel losses during the past three years, and overwhelmed by the events of Hurricane Katrina.

Michael Brown resigned as FEMA's director on Sept. 12 under intense pressure from lawmakers and the public in the aftermath of the emergency response to the hurricane. The embattled Brown -- who still is on contract as a consultant to DHS and is being paid his full salary of $148,000 - testified Tuesday before a special House committee investigating the events surrounding Hurricane Katrina.

Brown said FEMA's budget and personnel have been decimated since he took over the agency in January 2003. He said his budget requests never made it past the Homeland Security Department, which meant Congress never saw them. He said, for example, that the agency did not receive the necessary funding to implement lessons learned from an exercise last year called Hurricane Pam, which predicted flooding in New Orleans and massive communications and coordination problems among local, state and federal officials.

He said he wrote letters to DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff and former secretary Tom Ridge about the problems, but the agency still had budget cuts each year and lost critical personnel. FEMA, he said, lost out in priority battles when it came to the war on terrorism, the creation of DHS and the second-stage review of the department done by Chertoff earlier this year.

"I have predicted privately for several years that we would reach this point because of a lack of resources and a lack of attention being paid to what was ... a very robust organization," Brown said. It was extremely difficult to "keep that place together," he said, and added he probably should have resigned earlier so he could have made public the problems he was experiencing.

(article continues)
This administration could screw up a wet dream. :roll:
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Genx87
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/14/fema.audit/index.html

This could almost be comical if it wasnt so pathetic.

My favorite has to be the people who collected rent from FEMA staying in hotel rooms paid for by FEMA!

Hello, anybody in there or are we just handing money out because it is there?

Oh wait, what am I thinking, this is the federal govt. Spend first, ask questions later.

More specifically, it's the GOP/Bush federal gov't. I'm sure we can find someone more responsible to occupy the Oval Office and, oh I don't know, maybe veto some retarded spending bills when they roll through?
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Let's be honest, 1.4B is a drop in the bucket for this administration.

That may be but it isnt a drop in the bucket in terms of raw dollar amounts.

What do you think the avg take was for this? 5-6K a person? That is about 300,000 people in on this scam. That is no small deal.
Because worrying about how 1.4B was spent by people who lost everything they owned while we're spending hundreds of billions in Iraq, and wasting god know how much everywhere else is being penny wise and pound foolish.

If our finances were straight across the board, I'd be complaining right along with you. But hell, my state just gave a gift of half a billion dollars to a billionaire in the form of the stadium that I get to pay for for the next 30 years. FEMA debit cards are small potatos.

You should be complaining right along with me. Excusing these issues doesnt jive with getting our finances in order.

Ill assume you are from MN, yeah those stadium deals chapped my ass as well.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: kage69
If our finances were straight across the board, I'd be complaining right along with you. But hell, my state just gave a gift of half a billion dollars to a billionaire in the form of the stadium that I get to pay for for the next 30 years. FEMA debit cards are small potatos.


YIKES!:Q Where do you live?

Minneapolis, quickly becoming the armpit of the midwest.
 

brandonbull

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$1.3 bn...... hahahahaha....... that's nothing with the the several hundred billion for Iraq.