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【tomshardware】AMD Rising: CPU And GPU Market Share Growing Rapidly

Centauri

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As a shareholder, I don't care where the GPU growth is coming from. I just care that it's there and that it's not coming from margin attrition as has been the case in the past.
 

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AMD's Share for GPU in Steam Survey has recently dropped by half though (after being stable for quite some time):

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/



I strongly suspect this is because their cards are very desirable for mining, rather than some problem with the accuracy of the Steam Survey.
 

Centauri

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I think there's an accuracy problem because it's affecting the CPU data as well - a spot where AMD is definitely on the rise.

With regard to the mining effect on GPU data, the installed base of gamers drawfs the number of GPUs manufactured during the mining craze. So it really doesn't make that much sense that AMD's GPU useage share would take that much of a nose dive - especially that rapidly.
 

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Apparently AMD CPUs are good for mining as well:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/02/26/ripping-threads-and-hashing-cash-your-guide-to-mining-with-ryzen-threadripper/#18d76a485247

Graphics cards get the majority of the attention when it comes to mining crypto coins, so I was impressed when I discovered what a beast AMD's Ryzen Threadripper 1950X could be at chewing through Cryptonight, an algorithm designed for CPU mining. Specifically for a processor's L3 cache. Beyond achieving speeds of up to or beyond 1400 H/s which makes it as profitable as an Nvidia GTX 1080 on services like Nicehash, it does so utilizing half of its 32 threads.
https://howtomine.co/2018/01/11/top-5-best-amd-cpu-monero/

As you scan this list, you’ll notice a common theme: they’re all AMD chips within the Ryzen product line. As I created this list, I considered many high-end Intel chips (such as the Xeon series). However, either these chips were too impractical to get at impractical prices and/or they were so expensive that, although some were better than, for example, the Ryzen 1600X, you’d be better off just buying the Ryzen 1700 instead.
 
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cbn

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In order to help get Radeon back in the hands of users and developers alike I have been hoping we would see at least two things:

1. High Performance APU for laptops with vGPU capability and 1/2 rate DP on the iGPU as options. (Ideally available in an open source manufactured Linux laptop as well.)

2. Harvested Polaris 12 with DDR4 (possibly even using Chinese DDR4).
 
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jihe

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As a shareholder, I don't care where the GPU growth is coming from. I just care that it's there and that it's not coming from margin attrition as has been the case in the past.
It's from cryto.
 

IntelUser2000

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In order to help get Radeon back in the hands of users and developers alike I have been hoping we would see at least two things:

1. High Performance APU for laptops with vGPU capability and 1/2 rate DP on the iGPU as options. (Ideally available in an open source manufactured Linux laptop as well.)

2. Harvested Polaris 12 with DDR4 (possibly even using Chinese DDR4).
What's the reason for half rate DP? It only makes sense on 1080 Ti/Vega 64 cards, if that. 1/2 rate DP means less available for gaming FP resources.

I would think there's some accuracy error with the Steam data as well. Intel share dropped by half too.
 

Dribble

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AMD's Share for GPU in Steam Survey has recently dropped by half though (after being stable for quite some time):

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/



I strongly suspect this is because their cards are very desirable for mining, rather than some problem with the accuracy of the Steam Survey.
Didn't they add China to steam about the same time as that drop. I strongly suspect no one in China uses AMD.
 

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BTW, that EPYC 7351P is only $814 and does 62% more in that example over a 1950x at $700. But you do need twice the memory stocks. But they could be half the density each, so almost the same price total ?
 
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It would be interesting to see how much those numbers change after Q4 2018, given the 14nm capacity constraints for Intel and the RTX series being in short supply for nVidia.
 

DrMrLordX

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It would be interesting to see how much those numbers change after Q4 2018, given the 14nm capacity constraints for Intel and the RTX series being in short supply for nVidia.
Yeah, I think this article shows data right up to a major change in market share between AMD and Intel. AMD probably has more than 12% of the market by now. mindfactory is showing AMD in a much-more competitive light when it comes to total sales (but not total revenues since the Intel chips tend to cost more).

AMD vs. NV, I do not expect AMD to look good at all for awhile, and I think the data from the OP paints too-rosy a picture. At least on the consumer market anyway.
 
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Yeah, I think this article shows data right up to a major change in market share between AMD and Intel. AMD probably has more than 12% of the market by now. mindfactory is showing AMD in a much-more competitive light when it comes to total sales (but not total revenues since the Intel chips tend to cost more).

AMD vs. NV, I do not expect AMD to look good at all for awhile, and I think the data from the OP paints too-rosy a picture. At least on the consumer market anyway.
According to Mercury Research, AMD's processor share has grown to 12.3 percent in 2Q18
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-intel-market-share-desktop-pc,37864.html

According to Jonpeddie Research, AMD had a gpu market share of 36.1% in 2Q 2018.
https://www.jonpeddie.com/store/add-in-board-report
 

Spartak

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Wow AMDs market share is even tinier than i imagined and Ryzen hasnt done much to improve it.

I would have expected their desktop market share to double YoY but going from 10 to 12% is almost a rounding error. And that's the desktop market where AMD has some sort of presence.

Mobile and Server must be in the low single digits for AMD and that's about 80% of the total market.

Man that's depressing.
 

Glo.

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Yes, it is growing rapidly, because we are not talking about quarterly sales, but installed base of PC's. If you have 700 000 000 PC's around the world, and AMD has grown from having under 10% to 12% that would mean that Ryzen CPU's has sold 14 mln Units in all of the surveyed markets, over 18 months(slightly more), and went from slightly under 70 mln to 84 mln PC's with AMD CPUs in that period of time. With this, calculation, AMD has just gained 20% of their total installed base with Ryzen. That is huge.
 

Abwx

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Those numbers are before RR was launched, and the TAM is 54% of the whole DT market, so SR captured 23% of the dGPU equipped PCs market.

Anyway curious to see RR mentioned in the OP since its numbers came a few months after the less ancient statistics....
 

DrMrLordX

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According to Mercury Research, AMD's processor share has grown to 12.3 percent in 2Q18
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-intel-market-share-desktop-pc,37864.html
Q3 is where we'll see the most movement from shortages. I think the data I was seeing from mindfactory was from August, and it was showing AMD having over 50% in terms of sales (but not revenue). There's a thread about that around here somewhere . . .

Anyway, still not bad since we're comparing different data anyway. AMD is still mostly a non-entity at the low end. Cheap office PCs and many laptops still feature budget Intel offerings. AMD currently isn't selling anything to compete with Goldmont/Goldmont+ that I can tell, unless you count some of their mobile Raven Ridge offerings. Raven Ridge may as well not exist in the desktop space, either in AM4 or FP4 packaging.

According to Jonpeddie Research, AMD had a gpu market share of 36.1% in 2Q 2018.
https://www.jonpeddie.com/store/add-in-board-report
That's a lot more than I would expect.
 

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