‘Empires disappear’

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Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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Meh, the decline of the American Empire started with the beginning of the Cold War. When economic prowess and ingenuity gave way to raw militarism in spreading American influence abroad, the fate of the empire was sealed. Empires need to make money at being empires to survive. Once the cost of growing/maintaining the empire exceeds the benefits, the empire is finished though it may take a very, very long time to die.
I heard it said must be 15-20 years ago maybe that America was a singular instance of an empire in that empires have an ascendancy, then a period of sustained glory and then the decline, but that in America's instance, the period of sustainment never occurred and the decline was well underway.
 

GagHalfrunt

Lifer
Apr 19, 2001
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Meh, the decline of the American Empire started with the beginning of the Cold War. When economic prowess and ingenuity gave way to raw militarism in spreading American influence abroad, the fate of the empire was sealed. Empires need to make money at being empires to survive. Once the cost of growing/maintaining the empire exceeds the benefits, the empire is finished though it may take a very, very long time to die.

That. Trump is a symptom of an empire that had already been in decline for a long time, not the cause of the decline.
 

sao123

Lifer
May 27, 2002
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America was never an empire, and if it was, it would be a lot better than it is today.

America has been doomed ever since people decided we should make it the great melting pot, an equal mixture of cultures which are all incompatible and all wish to be governed in completely opposing directions.

A form of segregation would be beneficial today, however not racial segregation... and not based on supremacy of any single group but it IS necessary to fix the complete inept dis-functionality that polarized multiculturalism has caused today in our system of government.

3 individual isolated states of like minded people would be much more efficient and easy to govern and serve than the mess we now have.

We need to stop trying to make this single unified one world nation, before this crisis worsens and spans 6 continents instead of 2.

tribalism is beneficial, not hurtful.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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America was never an empire, and if it was, it would be a lot better than it is today.

America has been doomed ever since people decided we should make it the great melting pot, an equal mixture of cultures which are all incompatible and all wish to be governed in completely opposing directions.

A form of segregation would be beneficial today, however not racial segregation... and not based on supremacy of any single group but it IS necessary to fix the complete inept dis-functionality that polarized multiculturalism has caused today in our system of government.

3 individual isolated states of like minded people would be much more efficient and easy to govern and serve than the mess we now have.

We need to stop trying to make this single unified one world nation, before this crisis worsens and spans 6 continents instead of 2.

tribalism is beneficial, not hurtful.

So, we've been doomed since the beginning, obviously. Like when Africans were imported as slaves, followed by waves of immigration from all over the disparate cultures that were Europe at the time. By Chinese, Japanese & Vietnamese immigrants more recently. And now by the icky browns from Mexico & central America.

We've obviously been going to Hell in a handbasket for 400 years yet we never seem to arrive. Funny how that works.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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So, we've been doomed since the beginning, obviously. Like when Africans were imported as slaves, followed by waves of immigration from all over the disparate cultures that were Europe at the time. By Chinese, Japanese & Vietnamese immigrants more recently. And now by the icky browns from Mexico & central America.

We've obviously been going to Hell in a handbasket for 400 years yet we never seem to arrive. Funny how that works.

well for the past 70 years we have projected soft power around the world. That was our empire. Trump is removing that.
 

FIVR

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Jun 1, 2016
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America was never an empire, and if it was, it would be a lot better than it is today.

America has been doomed ever since people decided we should make it the great melting pot, an equal mixture of cultures which are all incompatible and all wish to be governed in completely opposing directions.

A form of segregation would be beneficial today, however not racial segregation... and not based on supremacy of any single group but it IS necessary to fix the complete inept dis-functionality that polarized multiculturalism has caused today in our system of government.

3 individual isolated states of like minded people would be much more efficient and easy to govern and serve than the mess we now have.

We need to stop trying to make this single unified one world nation, before this crisis worsens and spans 6 continents instead of 2.

tribalism is beneficial, not hurtful.


The problem with America is there wasn't enough immigration. Too many backwards white people have too much power due to the senate and the electoral college.

If we had brought in enough sensible immigrants to drown out the retarded white people who came here first we would be fine. Sadly those white people are in control of the government now and that is why our empire is in decline.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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The problem with America is there wasn't enough immigration. Too many backwards white people have too much power due to the senate and the electoral college.

If we had brought in enough sensible immigrants to drown out the retarded white people who came here first we would be fine. Sadly those white people are in control of the government now and that is why our empire is in decline.

and they are dumb too. Nothing to stimulate their minds. Just dogma.
 

Commodus

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Oct 9, 2004
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America was never an empire, and if it was, it would be a lot better than it is today.

America has been doomed ever since people decided we should make it the great melting pot, an equal mixture of cultures which are all incompatible and all wish to be governed in completely opposing directions.

A form of segregation would be beneficial today, however not racial segregation... and not based on supremacy of any single group but it IS necessary to fix the complete inept dis-functionality that polarized multiculturalism has caused today in our system of government.

3 individual isolated states of like minded people would be much more efficient and easy to govern and serve than the mess we now have.

We need to stop trying to make this single unified one world nation, before this crisis worsens and spans 6 continents instead of 2.

tribalism is beneficial, not hurtful.

There are countries like Canada that don't have much trouble integrating other cultures. The issue is American bigotry refusing to embrace other cultures, not integration.

Besides, if you haven't noticed, all us humans share the same planet and can't stay isolated forever. If we're going to advance as a species we need to know how to work together, not hide from each other.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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America was never an empire, and if it was, it would be a lot better than it is today.

America has been doomed ever since people decided we should make it the great melting pot, an equal mixture of cultures which are all incompatible and all wish to be governed in completely opposing directions.

A form of segregation would be beneficial today, however not racial segregation... and not based on supremacy of any single group but it IS necessary to fix the complete inept dis-functionality that polarized multiculturalism has caused today in our system of government.

3 individual isolated states of like minded people would be much more efficient and easy to govern and serve than the mess we now have.

We need to stop trying to make this single unified one world nation, before this crisis worsens and spans 6 continents instead of 2.

tribalism is beneficial, not hurtful.

Wrong. So wrong, I question whether you spelled anything correctly. ;colbert;
 

sao123

Lifer
May 27, 2002
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So, we've been doomed since the beginning, obviously. Like when Africans were imported as slaves, followed by waves of immigration from all over the disparate cultures that were Europe at the time. By Chinese, Japanese & Vietnamese immigrants more recently. And now by the icky browns from Mexico & central America.

We've obviously been going to Hell in a handbasket for 400 years yet we never seem to arrive. Funny how that works.

Oh we've arrived alright. The ultra liberal policies of the wrong coast have proven how batshit insane retarded we have come.

The problem isnt the africans or the brown mexicans, the problem IS white people... all those who live west of 113W degrees longitude.

If you could draw a line from Pheonix to Spokane and that became the new left coast, the nation would be about 90% better.

the problem started with the west coast berkley Hippie movement in the 60's and progressively has gotten worse every generation until you have the ultra liberal, socialistic, starbucks drinking, ikea shopping, tech addicted, entitled, urbanite, millennial shits of today.
I'd like to take all those people and give them west of the Rockies and just make that a whole different country, let them setup their own government in LA so they can stop destroying my country.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Oh we've arrived alright. The ultra liberal policies of the wrong coast have proven how batshit insane retarded we have come.

The problem isnt the africans or the brown mexicans, the problem IS white people... all those who live west of 113W degrees longitude.

If you could draw a line from Pheonix to Spokane and that became the new left coast, the nation would be about 90% better.

the problem started with the west coast berkley Hippie movement in the 60's and progressively has gotten worse every generation until you have the ultra liberal, socialistic, starbucks drinking, ikea shopping, tech addicted, entitled, urbanite, millennial shits of today.
I'd like to take all those people and give them west of the Rockies and just make that a whole different country, let them setup their own government in LA so they can stop destroying my country.

Just for you-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0