“Under Obama, Average Family Premiums Have Increased $4,154”

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leper84

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I was somewhat against aca before. I now think it didn't go far enough.

Insurance industry needs to be put under the knife.

I say this.

As it stands right now its just a guarantee of low competition business for the insurance companies. Now we have more people paying into the pool that has the same overall cost but somehow premiums are doubling, with worse coverage for most.

If the taxpayer gets f*cked with invasive regulations and tax penalties, then the insurance companies should brunt their share of getting f*cked to at least make it affordable with decent coverage again.
 

OverVolt

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So all everyone has to do is move to Detroit to qualify. Great plan!

Or you could say, this verry affordable plan costs 2 Detroit houses per year in premiums, with a deductible of 1 house.:awe:.

'Cause that Detroit cost of living.
 

rudeguy

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Or you could say, this verry affordable plan costs 2 Detroit houses per year in premiums, with a deductible of 1 house.:awe:.

'Cause that Detroit cost of living.

Or over 33% of a person's income. Detroit has a median household income of just over $25k. Figure in taxes and maybe the average family in Detroit takes home $20k/year or $1,666/month.

So after you pay your rent, food, gas, clothes and other bills, you can fork out $400/month for insurance. Then pay $2k before that insurance actually does anything.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/26/2622000.html
 

cliftonite

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Or over 33% of a person's income. Detroit has a median household income of just over $25k. Figure in taxes and maybe the average family in Detroit takes home $20k/year or $1,666/month.

So after you pay your rent, food, gas, clothes and other bills, you can fork out $400/month for insurance. Then pay $2k before that insurance actually does anything.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/26/2622000.html

Looks like someone making 25k and one child would get ~250 per month in subsidies according to this (http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/)
 

OverVolt

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Looks like someone making 25k and one child would get ~250 per month in subsidies according to this (http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/)

Yea and the income/subsidy table says I should be getting a $60/mo subsidy but in reality I got none.

So don't trust that shit. Its very specific to even zipcode. It says my plan should be $184/mo but its actually $216/mo or something like that because the $184/mo silver plan DIDNT HAVE ANY DOCTORS IN MY AREA.


Hah.... hah... hah... just kidding its $%^&ing infuriating.

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You are likely eligible for financial help
Based on the information you provided, your income is equal to 244% of the poverty level. This means you are likely eligible for financial help through the Health Insurance Marketplace. An estimate of your cost for coverage and amount of financial help in 2015 are provided below. To find out your actual amount of financial help and to get coverage, you must go to Healthcare.gov or your state’s Health Insurance Marketplace.

Estimated financial help: $0 per month ($0 per year)
as a premium tax credit. This covers 0% of the monthly costs. (Although your income would qualify you for help, insurance premiums in your area may not be expensive enough for this help to kick in. For more information, see the FAQ). Your cost for a silver plan: $184 per month ($2,206 per year)
in premiums (which equals 7.74% of your household income). The most you have to pay for a silver plan: 7.9% of income for the second-lowest cost silver plan Without financial help, your silver plan would cost: $184 per month ($2,206 per year)

I wonder how many bought that plan though, filled out a quick satisfaction survey, and then couldn't actually find any doctors once they got sick.
 
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rudeguy

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Looks like someone making 25k and one child would get ~250 per month in subsidies according to this (http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/)

Great.

Where do they get the $2k?


People really don't understand how real life works. Its not all about the monthly costs, which was my whole point. Again I will ask for it:

Can someone please show me where the cost of health care, has gone down? What it actually costs when you get sick or hurt? What you have to pay out of pocket to treat illness or disease? The real, actual costs?
 

DrPizza

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And whatever you do, please don't figure in the amount that copays and deductibles went up. Also don't look at how much the cost of prescriptions went up.

What happens when you look at how much health care actually costs a family? Not just the twisted numbers?

Weird, that sucks. My prescriptions went from $10 copay to $2 copay for generics and $20 for non-generics. So, instead of $120/year out of pocket (1 prescription per month) it's $24/year.

My insurance premiums went up. They go up every year. They went up less than they usually do - much less.
 

werepossum

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Its not even hypocrisy. Its denying the truth, trying to convince other people that the sky is green, then attacking anyone who dares to correct you.

When its the usual political stuff, that's one thing. But when its life and death things like this I get really mad. Every single idiot who supports and defends this law is either ignorant or is denying reality.

I'm stepping out of this thread because this subject is too close to home for me. These politicians and the morons who support them are fucking with my son's life and well being, just to further their agendas. Fuck whoever's life gets worse, fuck the hard working people who are paying for it, fuck the lies we told over and over again....

Fuck them all.
Well said. But it's worth pointing out that lots of people were on the other side too, no health insurance until Obamacare.

Or you could say, this verry affordable plan costs 2 Detroit houses per year in premiums, with a deductible of 1 house.:awe:.

'Cause that Detroit cost of living.
lol +1

Weird, that sucks. My prescriptions went from $10 copay to $2 copay for generics and $20 for non-generics. So, instead of $120/year out of pocket (1 prescription per month) it's $24/year.

My insurance premiums went up. They go up every year. They went up less than they usually do - much less.
I had the opposite experience - we had to step down to a cheaper insurance plan and our prescription costs rose significantly. Both plans were health savings accounts so the cost is 100% out of our HSA account either way. Why the hell would a not-for-profit insurance company like BCBST negotiate separate prescription prices for different levels of plans when the BCBST cost is zero until we've made our deductible? Are they paying the old price after we've made our deductible while we're paying the new higher price until then?

When I get some time I've also got to try to find the BCBST letter raising our deductible to $3,700 because of the ACA when apparently the lower limit is $2,400 - well under our old deductible of $2,700 - to check the exact wording. I can accept the increase if that's what is needed to pay for the newly mandated free shit, I just would have appreciated a more honest (or at least better explained) rationale.
 

DrPizza

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I had the opposite experience - we had to step down to a cheaper insurance plan and our prescription costs rose significantly. Both plans were health savings accounts so the cost is 100% out of our HSA account either way. Why the hell would a not-for-profit insurance company like BCBST negotiate separate prescription prices for different levels of plans when the BCBST cost is zero until we've made our deductible? Are they paying the old price after we've made our deductible while we're paying the new higher price until then?

When I get some time I've also got to try to find the BCBST letter raising our deductible to $3,700 because of the ACA when apparently the lower limit is $2,400 - well under our old deductible of $2,700 - to check the exact wording. I can accept the increase if that's what is needed to pay for the newly mandated free shit, I just would have appreciated a more honest (or at least better explained) rationale.
I'm not sure what you're referring to as a lower limit on deductibles set by the ACA. My plan is administered by BCBS, and my annual deductible is $0. I just pay copays. In fact, I just got a check the other day from my doctor for $20. Seems my 2 visits were considered "wellness" visits; I go in for a check-up every 6 months, blood work, etc., and I'm not supposed to have paid a copay for them.
 

rudeguy

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I'm not sure what you're referring to as a lower limit on deductibles set by the ACA. My plan is administered by BCBS, and my annual deductible is $0. I just pay copays. In fact, I just got a check the other day from my doctor for $20. Seems my 2 visits were considered "wellness" visits; I go in for a check-up every 6 months, blood work, etc., and I'm not supposed to have paid a copay for them.

How much do you pay per month for your health insurance? I always wondered with teachers. I'm hoping they take care of you.

Also: we need goat kid pics :colbert:
 

werepossum

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I'm not sure what you're referring to as a lower limit on deductibles set by the ACA. My plan is administered by BCBS, and my annual deductible is $0. I just pay copays. In fact, I just got a check the other day from my doctor for $20. Seems my 2 visits were considered "wellness" visits; I go in for a check-up every 6 months, blood work, etc., and I'm not supposed to have paid a copay for them.
In 2012 or 2013 we all received letters from BCBST that stated our deductible would increase from $2,700 to $3,700. Our family rates decreased about $200 a year for this lower deductible IIRC. The reason stated was that the ACA mandated a minimum $3,700 deductible for HSAs. Now, I recognize that Obamacare mandated certain freebies that were not previously provided, so our health insurance costs increase. Since BCBST is a not-for-profit, obviously our costs have to go up to cover this, which could be handled by raising the deductible or increasing the premium. I'm okay with either of those; there is no free lunch. My problem is that this change was specifically attributed to the ACA mandating a higher deductible for our HSA, and that apparently isn't true. There is a minimum deductible for HSAs, but unless I'm missing something we were already over it.
 

OverVolt

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In 2012 or 2013 we all received letters from BCBST that stated our deductible would increase from $2,700 to $3,700. Our family rates decreased about $200 a year for this lower deductible IIRC. The reason stated was that the ACA mandated a minimum $3,700 deductible for HSAs. Now, I recognize that Obamacare mandated certain freebies that were not previously provided, so our health insurance costs increase. Since BCBST is a not-for-profit, obviously our costs have to go up to cover this, which could be handled by raising the deductible or increasing the premium. I'm okay with either of those; there is no free lunch. My problem is that this change was specifically attributed to the ACA mandating a higher deductible for our HSA, and that apparently isn't true. There is a minimum deductible for HSAs, but unless I'm missing something we were already over it.

Too many regulations. Every healthcare entity is just "doing their best" to comply with the regulations basically. In terms of one whole cohesive plan, there really isn't one. Nobody knows wtf they are doing anymore, not even the insurance companies, or doctors offices, or anyone really.
 

werepossum

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Too many regulations. Every healthcare entity is just "doing their best" to comply with the regulations basically. In terms of one whole cohesive plan, there really isn't one. Nobody knows wtf they are doing anymore, not even the insurance companies, or doctors offices, or anyone really.
I agree, but that's kind of a cop-out. Some smart people figured out the exact number at which the new, higher deductible balanced the new, slightly lower premium. Now, I'm not at all sure if this included the cost of Obama's freebies as this was a grandfathered plan and when it was dropped, the new Obamacare-mandated cost (which definitely included the cost of Obama's freebies in addition to normal medical inflation) was simply beyond our means, so we had to step down a tier to the cheap plan. Therefore I don't have an apples-to-apples comparison, so it's possible that some requirements affected the grandfathered plan and others affected only the ACA-compliant replacement plan. It's also possible that none of the mandated freebies were in the cost. I don't know, but the letter was written very clearly blaming the increased deductible on the ACA. It appears (though I'm far from certain) that was not true. If so, I don't believe it was accidental because of the regulatory maze because the underlying calculations are not at all trivial. BCBST's actuaries had to calculate their outlays at the new, higher deductible (not an easy calculation since not everyone meets the deductible every year, and an extra $1,000 will definitely affect behavior) to arrive at the properly decreased premium.
 

Exterous

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How much do you pay per month for your health insurance? I always wondered with teachers. I'm hoping they take care of you.

Also: we need goat kid pics :colbert:

FWIW - my wife has taught in three different school districts and, every time, we have taken my corporate world health care from three different companies instead of hers because mine resulted in better coverage\$ spent
 

rudeguy

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FWIW - my wife has taught in three different school districts and, every time, we have taken my corporate world health care from three different companies instead of hers because mine resulted in better coverage\$ spent

Where are the goat pics? :colbert:
 

JEDIYoda

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Anyone dumb enough to vote Republican is also dumb enough to not accept factual numbers when presented with them. And you have to be really fucking dumb to vote Republican.
It`s a Newell Steamer thread what did you expect.......Hell...even that Jedi guy has more truthful threads.......
 

BurnItDwn

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2015 my plan is about $35 a month less than 2014. My employer contribution is about $10 a month more than 2014, and, I stopped using tobacco (saves me $50 a month), So, now, on the private exchange, I am paying 95 a month less out of pocket vs 2014 for the same coverage. I am paying out of pocket similar to what I paid about 10 years ago. Now I have "bronze" Blue Cross/Shield which thus far I like (i can go to pretty much any doctor) back then I had an Aetna HMO that I hated since they never covered any visits to clinics on the weekend or anything.
 

ch33zw1z

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My premiums went up more than double in the last 5 years. I don't know where all this affordable care is, but maybe I'll find it when I can't afford benefits from my employer anymore and get on the state healthcare for my family of 4.
 

rudeguy

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2015 my plan is about $35 a month less than 2014. My employer contribution is about $10 a month more than 2014, and, I stopped using tobacco (saves me $50 a month), So, now, on the private exchange, I am paying 95 a month less out of pocket vs 2014 for the same coverage. I am paying out of pocket similar to what I paid about 10 years ago. Now I have "bronze" Blue Cross/Shield which thus far I like (i can go to pretty much any doctor) back then I had an Aetna HMO that I hated since they never covered any visits to clinics on the weekend or anything.

But how much does it cost to actually use it?