“People of Color ONLY space”

[emperus]

It's racist, plain and simple. They are discriminating against a race from doing something by not allowing them to attend based on their skin color.

THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF RACISM.

This is just like skinny vs fat shaming. Its absolutely fine when an overweight person makes fun of a skinny person but god forbid it goes the other way, the world ends.

I'll repeat what I said before, this is disgusting.

That is not the definition of racism. That is the definition of racial discrimination. Question for you, why are you stuck to the word Racism when there is a better way to describe it?

There are many layers to what you said, but I want to first understand why people like you are so wed to describe it as racism instead of the more proper description "racial discrimination." Why are you so invested it in being Racism?

 

[Bitek]

To be fair, we don't know from the tweet if the meeting is in support of the guy or not. If there is further info, I'm just not aware of it at this moment.

Very true. All I know, of I was heading the organization I would be staying far away from this guy and his family. It didn't help either that some of the uproar has been towards those whose said All Lives Matter, rather than just a black issue. They get the worst of it no doubt, but overaggressive policing is a problem in a lot of areas.

In the end, no one should be under any illusions that there are not racist assholes on both sides. Making it a black/white issue only fuels this.

From the cesspool comments section:

jerry2286
3 days ago
Thank you president Obama for your hate filled, racially charged rhetoric which has helped put a bullseye on the back of law enforcement everywhere.
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RebelSoldier jerry2286
3 days ago
Don't blame the president. We elected him so it is not his fault if his father was a Muslim from Kenya who deserted his family. If that is a problem for anyone, blame that problem on the voters. If they want to elect me president it's their fault. So I don't appreciate the constant dumping on the president. If you have a problem with our having a Black president just ignore him and hope history does.
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Barefoot in MN RebelSoldier
2 days ago
1)He's half white, for God's sake. 2)He's not legally qualified to be president. 3) At least half of us voted for someone else. There was massive voting fraud in both "elections", so Barry was PUT into office, not elected. 4)I'd have no problem with Alan West being President, & he's blacker than Barry -- and he's got the documentation to prove he's American! no, it's a anti-conservative thing--- not a race thing.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

That is not the definition of racism. That is the definition of racial discrimination. Question for you, why are you stuck to the word Racism when there is a better way to describe it?

There are many layers to what you said, but I want to first understand why people like you are so wed to describe it as racism instead of the more proper description "racial discrimination." Why are you so invested it in being Racism?

Racial discrimination is racism. The real question here is why are you so invested in racial discrimination not being considered as racism?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

 

[dank69]

Sorry. You're attempt to back up your idiotic use of Racism is just that idiotic. The fundamental element of racism is believing another race is inferior or your race is superior. Look at even the 2nd part of the definition to make it clearer for you. You are the one who chooses to use a word you didn't have an understanding of. What, does it sound so good when black people use it, that you wanted to hurl it back, or take the oppression of hundreds of years of persecution to make a silly point that whites are the one now being persecuted because of reverse racism?

You're further twisting your idiotic use by making a further idiotic argument. I'm scared of someone, or feel persecuted by someone, so by attempting to not invite them somewhere proves that they are inferior to me? Get out of here with that Bullshit. You'd get an F for that logic even in middleschool.

I've had this argument before and the word "especially" implies "not always." Racism does not always have to be about superiority/inferiority. Usually is but not always.

Now, with that being said, I'm not sure this case of discrimination against white people qualifies as racism because it doesn't seem to be implying that white people as a group have some specific trait. Regardless, it is discrimination.

 

[emperus]

I've had this argument before and the word "especially" implies "not always." Racism does not always have to be about superiority/inferiority. Usually is but not always.

Now, with that being said, I'm not sure this case of discrimination against white people qualifies as racism because it doesn't seem to be implying that white people as a group have some specific trait. Regardless, it is discrimination.

I'm not having a debate on "especially so" with you. So, hopefully the Oxford Definition is more definitive and clears it up for you.

racism
Line breaks: ra¦cism
Pronunciation: /ˈreɪsɪz(&#601m/
Definition of racism in English:
noun

[MASS NOUN]
1Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior:
a programme to combat racism
MORE EXAMPLE SENTENCES
SYNONYMS
1.1The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races:
theories of racism
MORE EXAMPLE SENTENCES

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/racism

Furthermore. Maybe it'd be good for people to understand the history of the word.

Here is a good documentary.
History of Racism

 

[schmuckley]

It's just like this,only with black people doing it: Same old song and dance.

 

[Newell Steamer]

They are protesting the killing of someone who shot and attempted to murder a police officer - Black Lives Matter has gone full retard.

If Black Lives Matter wants to be taken serious, they need to draw a line between murderers and innocent people being assaulted by the police.

And taking this 'no whites' stance pretty much communicates that they do not want white people as part of the cause - I bet these idiots feel pretty stupid now for risking their lives on someone that doesn't even want them; http://www.necn.com/news/new-englan...t-Down-2-Parts-of-I-93-in-Mass-288664891.html

 

[Exophase]

Sorry. You're attempt to back up your idiotic use of Racism is just that idiotic. The fundamental element of racism is believing another race is inferior or your race is superior. Look at even the 2nd part of the definition to make it clearer for you. You are the one who chooses to use a word you didn't have an understanding of. What, does it sound so good when black people use it, that you wanted to hurl it back, or take the oppression of hundreds of years of persecution to make a silly point that whites are the one now being persecuted because of reverse racism?

The funniest thing about this is that I never even said something was racist in this thread, I merely said that racism doesn't have to be confined to feelings of inferiority (as opposed to say, feelings of irrational fear). And that even within that confine a desire to keep people out could (but not necessarily!) be based on some way of thinking that those people are deficient.

I said that I doubt you'd find a definition that only included that exclusively, not that you wouldn't find it listed in a definition (meaning it could be a line where multiple definitions are provided; in these cases each one is not meant to be exhaustive in itself, that's completely contradictory) Of course you'll probably say this is back peddling or something, yet I went so far as to specifically say in that post that it's not enough for a definition (like the one on Wikipedia) to simply list it as an example or common form.

You're further twisting your idiotic use by making a further idiotic argument. I'm scared of someone, or feel persecuted by someone, so by attempting to not invite them somewhere proves that they are inferior to me? Get out of here with that Bullshit. You'd get an F for that logic even in middleschool.

So if I see a giant black guy down the road and I'm scared of him because he's a giant black guy and I shout "go back to Africa!" because I'm worried of what'll happen if he's around I'm totally not being racist right? Or maybe then you'd say the fear is based on feeling of superiority?

A lot of people during segregation era had a platform of "separate but equal." Now in practice it generally wasn't equal, but today it's also generally accepted that even if it were equal the idea of keeping people separate based on their race to avoid some kind of inevitable conflict is racist. But I guess you don't agree.

 

[dank69]

Hopefully the Oxford Definition clears it up for you.



Furthermore. Maybe it'd be good for people to understand the history of the word.

Here is a good documentary.
History of Racism

I know how to look up definitions. That definition states discrimination based on the belief that one's own race is superior. This is not the case here so that definition doesn't apply.

The second definition also doesn't apply because there is nothing being said about characteristics, abilities or qualities.

 

[emperus]

So if I see a giant black guy down the road and I'm scared of him because he's a giant black guy and I shout "go back to Africa!" because I'm worried of what'll happen if he's around I'm totally not being racist right?

Did you really just write that? Do you really want me to answer that? Do you not see how inherently racist that question even is?

 

[Exophase]

Did you really just write that? Do you really want me to answer that? Do you not see how inherently racist that question even is?

First you say that racism is exclusively about feelings of superiority, now somehow a question meant to highlight racism is itself racist??

 

[VtPC83]

That is not the definition of racism. That is the definition of racial discrimination. Question for you, why are you stuck to the word Racism when there is a better way to describe it?

There are many layers to what you said, but I want to first understand why people like you are so wed to describe it as racism instead of the more proper description "racial discrimination." Why are you so invested it in being Racism?

Racism is the emotion of feeling superior to another race based solely on that other group's race. Racial discrimination is the act of expressing that emotion.

You can't have Racial discrimination without Racism... your point is moot, anytime you have Racial discrimination you will have Racism. At the heart of racial discrimination is racism.

By your words, these people are racially discriminating against people not of color, therefore they are expressing racism and being racists.

Edit- I've type Racism so many times the word is starting to look funny.

 

[emperus]

I know how to look up definitions. That definition states discrimination based on the belief that one's own race is superior. This is not the case here so that definition doesn't apply.

The second definition also doesn't apply because there is nothing being said about characteristics, abilities or qualities.

I agree it's racial discrimination. I think it's stupid especially since it doesn't serve the community. I live in Boston and I know there are very good white people who care about legitimate issues of police misconduct in the Black community.

That being said. Why do people even care? I just think in attempt at equivalence a lot of people on this board miss the point of why Racism was destructive or what it even is. It wasn't just the racial segregation and discrimination. IT was the inherent believe African Americans were inferior coupled with the racial discrimination coupled with the fact that Whites held all the levers of power and access. That's why separate but equal didn't work. Because they were separate but inherently never equal.

 

[Exophase]

And now I guess we've further limited the definition of racism to this thing white people did to black people in America.

 

[VtPC83]

I get frustrated by this situation because I am for equalizing everything across all the races. These people are supposed to be wanting that too but then they go and do something like this that says 'you white people don't belong with us'.

Seriously, it is a slap in the face for those white people who acknowledge the problem and try to help fix it.

 

[emperus]

Racism is the emotion of feeling superior to another race based solely on that other group's race. Racial discrimination is the act of expressing that emotion.

You can't have Racial discrimination without Racism... your point is moot, anytime you have Racial discrimination you will have Racism. At the heart of racial discrimination is racism.

By your words, these people are racially discriminating against people not of color, therefore they are expressing racism and being racists.

Edit- I've type Racism so many times the word is starting to look funny.

It's not actually. You can have racial discrimination without racism. Racial discrimination is just discrimination based on race. Like sexual discrimination is discrimination based on sex.

 

[unokitty]

It's just like this,only with black people doing it: Same old song and dance.

Black Lives Matter excludes whites from forum on Angelo West shooting

Daunasia Yancey of Black Lives Matter Boston said the group’s white supporters were not alienated by the exclusion, and “respected the community and how they want to be supported.”...

“Deep thanks to those who came out to our community meeting, held each other in love, and re-committed to the work of Black liberation. It is our duty,” a group member posted on Facebook.

Whatever label you put on this type of behavior, it still sounds to me like "the same old song and dance."

Uno

 

[VtPC83]

It's not actually. You can have racial discrimination without racism. Racial discrimination is just discrimination based on race. Like sexual discrimination is discrimination based on sex.

I feel what you're saying is crazy. There has to be some level, no matter how small, of racism to exist to have racial discrimination. For someone to exclude a race, based solely on race, they have to feel superior to the race they are excluding. Otherwise it wouldn't be racial discrimination, it would be something else (I have no idea what to call it).

Same with sexual discrimination, you have to have some kind of feeling, no matter how small, that the person you are discriminating against is not as good as you because of their sexuality otherwise it wouldn't happen.

 

[BoberFett]

What emperus is saying is that not allowing black people into your store isn't racism as long as you don't believe they're inferior to you; emperus supports separate but equal.

 

[emperus]

And now I guess we've further limited the definition of racism to this thing white people did to black people in America.

Are you upset at the definition of the word? Or are you upset that a word was created to define the treatment of a group of people at the time it was written? You know the first known use of the word was in 1933. If so, why not just use a different word?

 

[emperus]

What emperus is saying is that not allowing black people into your store isn't racism as long as you don't believe they're inferior to you; emperus supports separate but equal.

Of course. The problem unfortunately for you is I support using my brain. You probably wouldn't understand concepts that aren't distilled into a one line sound bite.

 

[VtPC83]

Of course. The problem unfortunately for you is I support using my brain. You probably wouldn't understand concepts that aren't distilled into a one line sound bite.

I am trying to understand your stance on this in a respectful way but I still don't. Do you have anything else that supports your belief?

 

[dank69]

What emperus is saying is that not allowing black people into your store isn't racism as long as you don't believe they're inferior to you; emperus supports separate but equal.

There is a tiny chance it might not be racist but it would be racial discrimination which is illegal.

 

[emperus]

I feel what you're saying is crazy. There has to be some level, no matter how small, of racism to exist to have racial discrimination. For someone to exclude a race, based solely on race, they have to feel superior to the race they are excluding. Otherwise it wouldn't be racial discrimination, it would be something else (I have no idea what to call it).

Same with sexual discrimination, you have to have some kind of feeling, no matter how small, that the person you are discriminating against is not as good as you because of their sexuality otherwise it wouldn't happen.

I guess it depends on ur definition of discrimination. If the context of the word is unfair treatment, then yes, you are right. I was using this definition

treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit:

Whereas there can be examples where you can be discriminated without it being unfair. Something like female/male dorms or bathrooms.

 

[cubby1223]

Are you upset at the definition of the word? Or are you upset that a word was created to define the treatment of a group of people at the time it was written? You know the first known use of the word was in 1933. If so, why not just use a different word?

"By pure definition of the word, racism is specifically designated such that it is only used properly when describing thoughts and actions of white-skinned individuals."

A dark-colored individual is not capable of being racist. A dark-colored individual is not capable of believing white people are inferior. Racism is an indicator of inferior morality. It is not possible for a dark-colored individual to be racist, to be inferior. White people are inferior.