“I’m sure there are days where I say that one term is enough,’’ Obama said.

[First]

You said he was wrong because the polls are not separate, and are related, which is false, they are two different questions.

Since you can't delineate how they are unrelated, I'll take this as a wimp-out.

 

[First]

See the below.

Unless you're one of those simpletons who believes that the President truly runs the economy, "the Bush years" /= "Bush". If you are one of those simpletons who believes that the President truly runs the economy, then clearly Obama would be completely to blame for the poor economy. I understand that the headline confuses you, but again, the question referred to the recession during the Bush years, NOT Bush.

Whether I believe a POTUS' policies have a large impact on economic decay/growth is entirely irrelevant to the poll question. The Rasmussen question was very clear and I'm sorry you're still confused that it said something else. Especially since Rasmussen's own pollsters disagree with you, unless you're still trying to get away from "A majority of voters continues to blame the nation’s economic problems on the George W. Bush years". No one but you is making this distinction. Like I said, they're blaming Bush. Whether that's correct or not is entirely irrelevant to my point, which is public perception. I've said many times public perception can be wrong.

One could for example believe that Barney Frank is 100% responsible for every bit of the recession during the Bush Presidency and be 100% against every Obama policy, and yet still concede that the recession he inherited has a greater affect on the current crappy economy than does Obama's policies. There is however no logical path by which one can believe that Bush is responsible for everything bad that happened during his Presidency and yet Obama is not similarly responsible for everything that happens in his; that requires either total moon battery or basic dishonesty.

Do you have any evidence to suggest that is how the poll question was interpreted by those polls? You obviously don't. And like I said, no one would interpret it that way and that was not the intention of the Rasmussen poll as they quite clearly delineated.

 

[First]

From your link:

Those are some interesting, unrelated poll results. I would trust myself over any POTUS, frankly, to make economic decisions beneficial to me.

 

[werepossum]

Whether I believe a POTUS' policies have a large impact on economic decay/growth is entirely irrelevant to the poll question. The Rasmussen question was very clear and I'm sorry you're still confused that it said something else. Especially since Rasmussen's own pollsters disagree with you, unless you're still trying to get away from "A majority of voters continues to blame the nation’s economic problems on the George W. Bush years". No one but you is making this distinction. Like I said, they're blaming Bush. Whether that's correct or not is entirely irrelevant to my point, which is public perception. I've said many times public perception can be wrong.

Do you have any evidence to suggest that is how the poll question was interpreted by those polls? You obviously don't. And like I said, no one would interpret it that way and that was not the intention of the Rasmussen poll as they quite clearly delineated.

There should be no question of how the poll was interpreted; it's clearly stated.

1* Some people say the nation’s current economic problems are due to the recession which began under the Bush Administration. Others say the problems are being caused more by the policies President Obama has put in place since taking office. Which point of view comes closest to your own?

2* Whose judgment do you trust more when it comes to economic issues affecting the nation – yourself or President Obama?

Had the poll said due to Hurricane Katrina which began under the Bush Administration, would you then assume people were blaming the current economy on Bush? What about if it said due to the civil war in Ivory Coast which began under the Bush Administration? Medicare Part D? These clearly occurred during the Bush years, after all. If so, then clearly you are Obama 's core constituency and are going to blame everything from the economy to Obama hooking that last drive on Bush, in which case you should certainly trust his judgment over your own on everything, including the economy.

I suggest that had Rasmussen wished to poll people on whether they blamed Bush's policies or Obama's policies for the current economy, they are quite capable of so asking just that, without reference to the recession at all. I also suggest that had they wished to ask that question, they would have added a third choice, since only the most vapid respondent would assume that either Bush's policies or Obama's policies must necessarily be responsible for the economy. On the other hand, the question of whether Obama has yet inherited responsibility - do we blame him, or do we blame the recession - is a much more open and more answerable question. Absent government action, recessions do end, after all, so it would be a possible conclusion (not my own) that Obama's policies interfered with the natural cycle of boom and bust. For example, if we believe that Obama's policies have deterred hiring, then it is possible to blame him for the current high unemployment. If we believe that Obama's policies have promoted hiring, or had no significant effect, then we blame the recession.

This simply proves that nothing can be made idiot proof.

 

[First]

There should be no question of how the poll was interpreted; it's clearly stated.

Had the poll said due to Hurricane Katrina which began under the Bush Administration, would you then assume people were blaming the current economy on Bush? What about if it said due to the civil war in Ivory Coast which began under the Bush Administration? Medicare Part D? These clearly occurred during the Bush years, after all. If so, then clearly you are Obama 's core constituency and are going to blame everything from the economy to Obama hooking that last drive on Bush, in which case you should certainly trust his judgment over your own on everything, including the economy.

I suggest that had Rasmussen wished to poll people on whether they blamed Bush's policies or Obama's policies for the current economy, they are quite capable of so asking just that, without reference to the recession at all. I also suggest that had they wished to ask that question, they would have added a third choice, since only the most vapid respondent would assume that either Bush's policies or Obama's policies must necessarily be responsible for the economy. On the other hand, the question of whether Obama has yet inherited responsibility - do we blame him, or do we blame the recession - is a much more open and more answerable question. Absent government action, recessions do end, after all, so it would be a possible conclusion (not my own) that Obama's policies interfered with the natural cycle of boom and bust. For example, if we believe that Obama's policies have deterred hiring, then it is possible to blame him for the current high unemployment. If we believe that Obama's policies have promoted hiring, or had no significant effect, then we blame the recession.

This simply proves that nothing can be made idiot proof.

I'm truly sorry you believe this question was interpreted, by those polled, in the way you wanted it to be interpreted vs. the reality of how Rasmussen tells it. Remember, your hopes and wishes that people don't blame Bush for the recession that started under his watch, but would instead blame Barney Frank in a question regarding the Bush years is merely your failed interpretation of what, very likely, every polled American thought the question asked. Rasmussen simply added more words to be clearer, and they did a fine job. I like how you bitch out of their summary of the results, though, as it is deadly clear: "A majority of voters continues to blame the nation’s economic problems on the George W. Bush years".

 

[werepossum]

I'm truly sorry you believe this question was interpreted, by those polled, in the way you wanted it to be interpreted vs. the reality of how Rasmussen tells it. Remember, your hopes and wishes that people don't blame Bush for the recession that started under his watch, but would instead blame Barney Frank in a question regarding the Bush years is merely your failed interpretation of what, very likely, every polled American thought the question asked. Rasmussen simply added more words to be clearer, and they did a fine job. I like how you bitch out of their summary of the results, though, as it is deadly clear: "A majority of voters continues to blame the nation’s economic problems on the George W. Bush years".

THAT is what you took from my post? <sigh>

Someday I'll learn that people are binary. Is Bush the devil, or is it Obama? Until then I'm off to do something more productive, like teaching cats to bowl.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Thank you!!

With this Obama economy I need all the money I can get too!

Too bad you can't get a honest job.

 

[First]

like teaching cats to bowl.

Ironically, an appropriate career path if you were to take it.

Again, to emphasize it again in case you missed it: I like how you bitch out of their summary of the results, as it is deadly clear: "A majority of voters continues to blame the nation&#8217;s economic problems on the George W. Bush years".