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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    Thoughts are physical: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il88Nm6KLvM
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    You're misunderstanding, you're using another definition of "not real". A hallucination is physical event, it is merely distortion of information, the information still exists, I can write a program to swizzle my screen into a hallcinatory pattern, the pattern still exists. Check out the split...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKTNg0Z35go If they are not real you can't be conscious right now, it's a contradiction, most thought happens in subconscious processes you don't have access to and yes the are very real. The problem with your claim is that you detect your own thoughts, you...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern: Person A has position X. Person B presents position Y (which...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    Where do definitions come from? How were they formed, from where? Ask those questions before you start spouting nonsense. That was the whole point you're telling me I'm using different definitions but you can't demonstrate that I am. Either way you don't have the background to take part in...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    I've already defined them multiple times, you're claiming nonsense once again. i.e. existence = empirical reality objective = empirical reality You guys aren't connecting the concepts I display, once you detect and change your own thought, it empirically exists, it's game over. That was...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    Of course but when people aren't capable of grasping what you're saying that's going to happen, people misunderstand each other all the time non-intentionally. Ok let me explain further First of all, apparently what I find trivial to understand from generalities, you need specifics...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    Note I was not comparing my self to einstein (again assuming on your part), I was showing that one/few people can be right and everyone else can be incorrect, regardless of anything else. Notice how everyone here takes everything I say as a personal attack on their ego, this is not what I...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfC-2-BYuQQ
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    Again this is NOT reasoning now you're being idiot plain and simple and I'm going to call you on it, true statements stand independently of what someone thinks, regardless of their status, regardless of what you think of the "collective intelligence of AT", the collective intelligence of...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    Well my apologies, it's not intentional.
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    Or maybe the students are simply incapable of grasping the argument and should refrain from speaking on such matters they can't grasp fully, until they do, and go find another subject which they can handle and answer the teachers questions instead of resorting to insults because it offends them...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    That is a claim you can't demonstrate, a claim to know something is a claim to demonstrate it. Just because you think you are correct doesn't mean it's true. You don't have the background to understand or make the claim. Next you have no understanding of semantics, because you don't...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    Objective = empirical reality, existence is the synonym for empirical reality. If thoughts exist they cannot be subjective, period, because of the detection problem. You can't detect, modify, and change something that isn't there, i.e. they exist, you can detect them empirically, they must...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    Yes but measuring teaching quality is not that easy to begin with. Lastly, when dealing with arguments, they are not the same. In argument you have to demonstrate where the teacher has made an error, until then the student has no valid claim. If I or a student makes an error in a math...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    That's your perception, that's not reality. Think about it, if I'm physics teacher trying to teach a student, and the students don't get it, is it my fault they don't? Nope That's what you think but you haven't demonstrated it. Here's what happens: You read what I say, you disagree...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    You have to demonstrate your claim before your words have any weight what-so-ever. Which you have not done. The problem is none of you here don't know how concepts are formed and conceived to form thoughts in math and language, where do concepts come from? It's not a slight against neither of...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    No you're just really REALLY bad at exposing the errors in your own thinking, I could lay it all out for you, but it's obvious from your repeated mistakes its highly probable you wouldn't grasp the recursive nature of your problems anyway. You're errors are in thinking you're thinking, when...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    Ugh you don't get it, they don't "stop existing" in the ultimate sense, if I have a picture with wet paint, and I smear the paint, the distinctions are merely blurred and distorted, the 'information' (i.e. the stuff) was not lost, it merely changed positions, since the information is merely...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    I mentioned both anologies but there is connectivity issues as well (see split brains, etc), also I could bring up some brain damage studies. A lot of this information is already in some of the books and videos I mention if you're curious and you have the time, because it's best because it's...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    That's ok I'll hit it! :P Don't do this kind of crap please, "by my definition" we know memory exists, alzhiemers, etc. Note that to have multiple personalities, one has to still think, what's happening here is distortion (corruption) of memory. I don't see how this is a "curve ball"...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    They have to be something there buddy and they have to exist, and existence is the synonym for emprical reality. You can't observe, measure and change thoughts that don't exist, the fact that you can imagine, observe and detect them mean they are made fo something, even if they were nto energy...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    Which is the point, how can something that exists (and by the way, actuality, to be is the synonym for exist, and objective is the synonym for 'to be real, to exist, etc' don't believe me? Defintion: to exist (third-person singular simple present exists, present participle existing, simple...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    Ugh... you totally missed the point, the rest of your post breaks down because you've admited they are energy based, when you feel softness or hardness that is a form of thought that has to be transmitted to your brain via energy, it's over now. Your whole problem is with the misunderstanding...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    You did miss a hell of a lot I answered your objections already, please read everything or don't reply because I'm not going to answer, I got enough to deal with :P
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    I know if you've been following the thread you'd know why, find my post beneath "gannon", it's right there, it was an accident and I didn't realize I started my post with the wrong user (saves passwords/cookies and all that). My apologies I didn't realize when I started the topic! :P I...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    Look at what you said though:"Your objection is nonsensical. My ability to observe, modify, and detect something with thoughts does not prove that the thoughts are any form or combination of matter or energy" Here is the definition of transduction (biology): the transformation of sensory...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    Yes that's because stuff in the real world has actual structural geometry, we are comparing actual stuff, hence the term misshapen truth. You're being way too vague, point what words are misdefined, I told you he was using 3 as a referent, to the concept, you've totally misunderstood again...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    Yes because the statement hasn't been defined, in your example of "3=5", if someone says they think that, that doesn't mean they actually do. For instance we've all made statements we didn't really mean right? Same principle. Think it out logically using geometry, all you need to do is...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    You're not seeing your error here, you can't detect anything unless two things reverberate, and you can detect this. How do you detect a surface that is in front of you with your hand? i.e. you have to touch the wall to know it is there, with our eyes light does the 'touching' for us, i.e. the...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    Part #2 - Note: I'm dealing with them seperately just to make things easier to point out and reply to He's not changing the definitions, he's using 3 as a symbol for 5, when you say 3 = 5, what are you meaning? What do you mean when "someone else thinks 3=5", i.e. technically 3 can not...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    Define real if you're using a different definition then the one below, don't put the "scare quotes" around it. Real and objective are synonymous, or simply ismorphic. They are two different names for the same concept. Main Entry: real Part of Speech: adjective Definition: Having...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    My apologies, here is the argument in it's lowest terms before I got bogged down in extraneous stuff, restated from a previous reply: "Can energy dispossess itself of the property of being objective? The whole argument boils down to that. E=MC2, and everything is made of energy, then how can...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    Actually it does, because again we have the detection problem: i.e. you can observe, modify and detect your own thoughts. You still haven't dealt with this objection to your obejction. How do you deal with the detection contradiction? If what you say is true the implications are we have no...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    Let's assume for sake of argument, that what I have made is an assumption: The problem is one of detection, observation, and modification, you can't do that if it's not energy. So at the very least we can say they are made of something, and at the very least we can say they are made of a form...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    You said:"Because something is a part of something else, does not make that one and the same. How how do you understand "Separate" and "one and the same". What do you mean by one in the same, and what do you mean by separate in the absolute sense, in terms of energy? i.e. you interpret...
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    It seems subjectivity is incoherent... attack this argument!

    It wasn't intentional, I was ignoring it because the question was being misunderstood. There is only one question that needs answering. This (below) was the whole argument summed up before I got bogged down in explaining the recursive nature of the argument: Can energy dispossess itself of...