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    Im looking to overclock to quad 4ghz on water

    Not really, decent P45 mobos can do 450FSB+ too... in fact the world record for FSB speeds was done on a P45 board, albeit a dual core, but still, 725MHz is pretty impressive: http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/news/news.php?id=31
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    Official Phenom 2 Review Thread

    Thats a good point. Right now the 'upgrade ceiling' for S775 quads is the QX9770 @ 3.2GHz, and I don't expect Intel to release faster quads for this platform. A Yorkie @ 3.2GHz is roughly equivalent to a 3.6GHz PII. Now from what I've seen AMD will be stuck in the low 3GHz range for a while...
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    Official Phenom 2 Review Thread

    http://techreport.com/articles.x/16147 TRs review has min framerates. Its a mixed bag, in some games its higher than a comparable C2Q, in others its lower.
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    True overclock gains

    Overclocking increases everything by the same ratio, including cache, with the exception of Phenom which has a seperate L3 speed that is independant of the core clock. He is also not comparing cross architecture, not sure what you're about there, he simply o/ced his 3800+ from 2GHz to 2.6GHz...
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    Core i7 Reviews

    Xbitlabs has a look at the core level improvements and impact of SMT: http://xbitlabs.com/articles/c...-core-i7_10.html#sect0 http://xbitlabs.com/articles/c...l-core-i7_8.html#sect0
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    Which Nehalem to Get

    Agreed, the i920 makes the most sense from a price/performance perspective, why would you pay twice as much for a 10% clockspeed boost, and probably less after overclocking?
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    Does Nehalem really limit overclock to 130W?

    It can be overriden in the BIOS, an Intel rep confirmed this over at XS: http://www.xtremesystems.org/F...=3404171&postcount=102
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    Is a 3.2Ghz E2xxx still a good gaming CPU?

    Games are very cache sensitive though, which is the main reason why the E21x0s struggle somewhat compared to the higher end C2Ds. That being said, it is still faster than X2s per clock in games, but not by a huge amount, around 10% or so.
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    Core i7 Reviews

    Actually, it starts at 4870CF, or essentially a 4870X2. More powerful CF/SLI setups will see bigger gains, but even at the 4870X2 level there is a distinct difference. No, it wouldn't have. In the newer games the i7 965 is getting roughly double the performance of the E8400, how far can you...
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    Is a 3.2Ghz E2xxx still a good gaming CPU?

    How would you know for sure? I think that is a contentious point at best, for example in most RTS games the E8400 + HD4870 would blow away the E2160 + GTX280. The HD4870 (especially the 1GB version) is really not that far behind the GTX280, it'd depend a lot on the game engine which config comes...
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    Core i7 Reviews

    Actually in application performance (not including gaming) performance increases are around the 20% mark, if not more: http://www.overclockers.com.au...les/726776/summary.jpg
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    Core i7 Reviews

    A few more for PC Surgeon to add to the OP: http://www.guru3d.com/article/...i7-920-and-965-review/ http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=634 http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=16187 http://techreport.com/articles.x/15816 (X58 mobo comparison)...
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    Core i7 Reviews

    http://www.tweaktown.com/revie...fsb_departs/index.html http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=786 http://www.guru3d.com/article/...i7-920-and-965-review/ OCAU review is now up: http://www.overclockers.com.au...icle.php?id=726776&P=1 Summary page for clock for clock...
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    Is a 3.2Ghz E2xxx still a good gaming CPU?

    It doesn't mean I agree that its relevant. As I said earlier, most budget gamers aren't sporting 24" LCDs. 22" makes much more sense for a budget system, they're around $200 and the lower resolution doesn't require a top end GPU to maintain playable framerates, but lets agree to disagree on...
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    Is a 3.2Ghz E2xxx still a good gaming CPU?

    Who said the OP games @ 1920 x 1200? I'd say most budget gaming rigs would be running 22" 1680 x 1050 LCDs at best, otherwise the LCD costs more than the entire system! But even at that res, there are plenty of games that can benefit from a high end CPU if paired with a high end GPU. Off the...
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    Is a 3.2Ghz E2xxx still a good gaming CPU?

    Reread my post, where did I state that it'd be unplayable? I said it'd start bottlenecking the higher end GPUs, and I stand by that statement. An E8400 @ 4GHz would absolutely slaughter an E21x0 @ 3.2GHz when matched with a 4870.
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    Is a 3.2Ghz E2xxx still a good gaming CPU?

    It's definitely 'good enough' to run games, seeing as how it should roughly match a ~2.5GHz C2D in games which is well above the recommended specs of most games. I wouldn't pair a very high end GPU with it as it'll probably start bottlenecking, but it should do OK with something like a HD4830/4850.
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    core i7 or deneb

    Agreed, in the grand scheme of things overclockers are like a drop in the ocean, its performance/price that will dictate how Deneb compares to i7 (and Yorkfield of course).
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    How Important Is A CPU For Gaming, Really?

    LOL thats some crazy numbers jaredpace, nearly 250fps in Crysis? :P I wish they'd include some high detail numbers as well though, I'm sure other sites have done such tests already, just can't remember which ones OTOH...
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    How Important Is A CPU For Gaming, Really?

    Hmm, not anymore it seems! Just came across this at XS... it seems with the newer multi-threaded titles, P4s are definitely holding their own against the A64, in fact the P4 670 (3.8GHz) beat the A64 4000+ in Crysis, R6V and WiC, the only game it didn't beat the A64 in was FEAR which is the...
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    core i7 or deneb

    http://www.tomshardware.com/re...eaves-web,1728-22.html http://img.tomshardware.com/us.../tabelle_q6600_new.gif Well according to the THG test suite, Phenom is about 10% behind in IPC compared to Kentsfield, so ~15% against Yorkfield, so its certainly possible, in fact I expect Deneb to...
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    Intel 8400/500/600 and future games

    I think a C2D (especially a higher clocked E8x00 model) would still be well above minimum requirements in 2010, if thats what you're asking. Will it play games as well as a quad would in 2 years? No, it won't, but keep in mind that low end C2Ds and Pentium Es still dominate CPU sales, so game...
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    How Important Is A CPU For Gaming, Really?

    Speaking of P4s, I'm wondering in the age of multi-threaded gaming would a P4 w/HT actually perform better than an A64? We all know back in the day the A64 owned P4s at gaming, but what about with the latest MT titles?
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    How to overclock your Nehalem (Core i7)

    So now instead of raising the FSB we raise the QPI. Just like the ~500MHz FSB walls on C2Qs, we'll naturally have a 'QPI wall' that could potentially limit overclocking. Though if the QPI is capable of at least 200MHz as the post claims then it won't be much of a problem for most overclockers...
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    How Important Is A CPU For Gaming, Really?

    Well in terms of gaming performance you'll get similar gains between a 3850 -> 4850 and an E2x00 to E8x00 CPU: http://www.pcgameshardware.com...ticle_id=663817&page=2 (CPUs) http://www.pcgameshardware.com...ticle_id=663817&page=4 (GPUs) Using Far Cry 2 as an example, the gulf between an...
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    How Important Is A CPU For Gaming, Really?

    Probably not, but then you wouldn't see 20% performance gains from moving from a low C2D to a higher one. And if then you compared the gains of moving from a 3850 to a 4850 it wouldn't do much for the theory that changing CPU gives better gains than changing GPU, now would it? The point is...
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    Great quad-core article at Xbitlabs

    The Q9400 looks somewhat overpriced for the relative performance. The Q8200 is interesting because its close enough (price & performance) to be a direct competitor to the Q6600 and Phenom 9950BE. If stock performance was all I cared about it'd be a no brainer considering the power savings, but...
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    Intel vs AMD?

    Depends which Yorkfield chip you're talking about. ;) http://www.newegg.com/Product/...E16819115055&Tpk=q8200 I agree that a quad is better for FSX, but the OP got the E6750 for free so its not like he made the choice to get a dual... The best course of action would probably be to sell...
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    Reconsidering Phenom?

    Mark my words, Deneb will NOT hit 4.3GHz whilst using less power than Intel 45nm HKMG. Unless AMD has found a way of defying physics, this is simply not possible. Everything is against them - pipeline length, gate thickness/gate leakage, lack of HKMG etc. This isn't saying 4GHz+ overclocks...
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    Reconsidering Phenom?

    Thanks for the link amenx. Looks like not much has changed in the past few months since this thread has been made. The ye-olde Q6600 is IMO still the best all round quad, especially once overclocking is taken into the equation. The 45nm C2Qs are worth looking at for the power savings though.
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    Nehalem Review

    What are you comparing the i7 system to? Sure if you compare an i7 to a Q6600 it pales in price/performance, but so does Yorkfield since price doe not rise linearly with performance gains. X58 mobos + DDR3 are more expensive, but on the CPU level i7 represents better value. A $284 i920 will...
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    Core2Duo L2 Cache gaming shootout - 7 CPUs compared

    On a somewhat related note (didn't think it was worth starting a new thread), heres a look at Far Cry 2 CPU performance: http://www.pcgameshardware.com...CPU_benchmarks/?page=2 Looks like you need an E6420 or X2 6000+ minimum to get respectable framerates (35 - 40fps). E2000 and low end X2...
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    Shanghai now shipping

    I don't disagree, Nehalem won't be winning many price/performance comparisons except in select multi-threaded apps. Since we're talking server chips, I'd say Shanghai, easily. Current Optys are already very competitive against Harpertown. Nothing wrong with that. :)
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    Shanghai now shipping

    Close to $1000? You can conceivably build an i7 platform for around $700. X58 mobos will be ~$300 (more for the top end models, but entry level X58 mobos like the Intel Smackover starts from ~$280) i920 will be $284, but lets assume ~$300 due to markups. 3 x 1GB DDR3-1333 costs about...
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    Shanghai now shipping

    No doubt AMD wants reviews in before Nehalem hits. First impressions are everything. Is Deneb still a Jan 09 launch?
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    e5200 vs e7200

    That sounds about right, Xbitlabs got 3.8GHz @ 1.408V: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articl...dc-e5200_11.html#sect0 So from the looks of it the E7200 can generally do ~200MHz more at the same voltage.
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    Asus p4p800 deluxe with prescott 3.0 cpu

    2.8C would be Northwood, all P4s with the 'C' connotation are Northwood.
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    AMD says new 'Shanghai' chip is ready to go

    Its possible that a 3GHz Deneb will match a Q9550, in fact I'm quite convinced it will. If the preview numbers hold true, then Deneb is about equal to Kentsfield per clock. So putting a 3GHz Kentsfield / Deneb against a 2.83GHz Yorkfield, it should be a very even contest. So just like today...
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    AMD says new 'Shanghai' chip is ready to go

    Well something doesn't add up, either the 35% figure is exaggerated or AMD knows something about Nehalem that we don't. Anyway its no use speculating really, it'll all become clearer soon enough. :)