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    Coffeelake thread, benchmarks, reviews, input, everything.

    For the most part this looks like an unintentional test of the noise inherent in the benchmarks they picked.
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    L2 cache on CPU?

    These days, a typical design will have the L2 shared between 2 or more CPU cores. Each core has their own L1 caches and a bus out to a shared L2. Physically, everything is smushed together on the die but conceptually since the L2 works with 2 or more cores it isn't counted as totally part of...
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    Does anyone even know what MASM is anymore ?

    I'm pretty sure that bug has been fixed for years. And I certainly wasn't seeing the problem in vectorized C code, at least in the example in this thread. I didn't need to worry about any of these to get the C code to within 2x of the ASM code. And are you seriously using half-precision FP...
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    Does anyone even know what MASM is anymore ?

    Unless your assembler can automatically do inlining, loop unrolling, function specialization, whole program optimizations and all of the other tricks modern compilers do this is not going to generally be the case. Sure, I guess you can do this by hand but are you going to manually re-do e.g...
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    Does anyone even know what MASM is anymore ?

    The penalties vary depending on the chip you're running on. The compiler might not handle it well, but neither does the ASM - there's only a single code path rather than one ASM function tuned for each microarchitecture. Not sure how this is a point in favor of the ASM code. -Ofast is pretty...
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    Does anyone even know what MASM is anymore ?

    I just repeated that same test using a compiler released in this decade. The compiled code is now about 2x slower than pure ASM rather than 30x. Still a win for the ASM code I guess, if you exclude development time, the fact it doesn't actually do the same thing as the C code, automatically...
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    Are retail 290x cards slower than press samples? (Tech Report)

    Here's what happens when marketing talking points run headfirst into reality.
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    Are retail 290x cards slower than press samples? (Tech Report)

    Sure, the same one I asked in the post you responded to - where can I find reviews of the performance of NV cards running at their guaranteed base clocks. All I can find anywhere are reviews of them running at max boost clocks, just like all the reviews of AMD cards. In other words, guaranteed...
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    Are retail 290x cards slower than press samples? (Tech Report)

    That's great. Where can I find reviews of Kepler GPUs running at their guaranteed advertised base clock rate? Everything I've seen has them running at their max variable boost clock speed, just like AMD cards.
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    [techreport]AMD issues statement on R9 290X speed variability, press samples

    +/-3% or so, based on the the review sites I've seen. How does this compare against similar nV cards? We don't know, because nV only paid to have AMD cards tested by TechReport - and presumably the other review sites as well.
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    Spin Off: AT's Testing Methods & Uber Mode

    Nope, for Titan you'd only run it in faster DP mode if the gain in DP performance outweighs the slowdown from clock throttling : "The penalty for enabling full speed FP64 mode is that NVIDIA has to reduce clockspeeds to keep everything within spec. For our sample card this manifests itself as...
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    Spin Off: AT's Testing Methods & Uber Mode

    Compare this approach to the one other reviewers are saying Nvidia used to try and sway reviewers : http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35714780&postcount=54 You'd have to admit that's quite a coincidence.
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    Spin Off: AT's Testing Methods & Uber Mode

    Nah, lots of it is coming directly from NV. " When discussing its new product with us, Nvidia took some time to explain how the 780 Ti differs from the competition. Some of what they offered in this context was FUD about the variable performance of the 290X cards in the market." "There's...
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    Spin Off: AT's Testing Methods & Uber Mode

    Where can I buy a 290 which defaults to a 34% fan limit, as tested here by Anandtech - http://www.anandtech.com/show/7481/the-amd-radeon-r9-290-review/15? If there's now an "only test at defaults" policy it hasn't been around for that long.
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    Is the 7970/280X now the "go to" 1080P GPU for those sensitive to frame delivery?

    This is test where the 770 averaged 33FPS, which is 33.3msec per frame on average. You'd expect that with the cutoff right at the average frame time that a number of frames would be over the average by some amount no matter how good the frame pacing was. Without knowing how many frames were...
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    Used gtx 570 for 90 euros

    560ti, or 560ti 448 core? Those are two very different chips even thought the names look similar. I think I remember [some?] 560ti 448s being on 570 or 580 PCBs, which might explain why the cooler would be the same. Or it could just be a vendor cheaping out, never know.
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    CPU Thermal wall? So much for the GHz race.

    Yep, CPI goes up if you increase core frequency without increasing memory frequency. This is how real systems work - memory access latency is independent of core clock speed. It would be great if we could magically get DRAM latency to improve at pace with CPU speedups, but that's never been...
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    CPU Thermal wall? So much for the GHz race.

    5 seconds is 5 seconds. But 5 seconds isn't always the same numbers of cycles. 5 secs at 4GHz vs. 1GHz is a 4x cycle count difference (plus or minus synchronization artifacts). Since you are dividing by C in IPC, that larger C means smaller IPC for a given workload. It's all in the original...
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    Anybody Remember Conroe?

    Moblin working well for you on your Atom-powered Nokia phone?
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    Gigabyte Z87 Family - Missing drivers?

    The show up under the UD3H listing, so probably just a bug in the web site : http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4481#dl
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    Reasons why Intel will not dominate ARM (for the foreseeable future)

    Yep, AMD brought out x64 and killed Intel's Itanium in the process.
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    Is the 7950 or 670 truly faster

    Pretty much, considering they ignore it when it shows up in 6xx cards but it's a showstopper in 7950s.
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    PCPer on Crossfire problems in the Titan review

    Yep, this, and was this partnership disclosed in any of the reviews in question?
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    Why do different architectures seem to not produce the exact same results?

    http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19957-01/806-3568/ncg_goldberg.html
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    Honda has axed the NSX

    I guessed it was the new R8, but then saw this was a thread about Hondas.
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    [TECH Report] As the second turns: the web digests our game testing methods

    Probably not. Just like we don't have a published road-map of nVidia's driver team's skunkworks projects. If AMD's hiding stuff by not telling us everything their driver team is working on in detail, what's nVidia hiding?
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    [TECH Report] As the second turns: the web digests our game testing methods

    Good for you. Keep fighting the good fight, bud.
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    [TECH Report] As the second turns: the web digests our game testing methods

    Yeah, complain about people making the thread about you and then cherry pick a single line out of context to manufacture a post making it about my implied biases. That's consistent. Unfortunately, not all of us get free hardware from these companies to test with. I'm just going by what various...
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    [TECH Report] As the second turns: the web digests our game testing methods

    Yep. This happens in all fields. That's why the negative results from blind testing are interesting to me. Sure, something's going on with the measurement but as far as anyone can show, what's being measured is tough to perceive without someone telling you beforehand what you're supposed to...
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    Best Graphics Card for Gaming and GPU Computing

    Another option for under $200 : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127615. About GTX 570 levels of performance and isn't one of the new CUDA-crippled 6xx chips.
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    Asking Ryan Smith of AT if a special examination could be done?

    Oh well, I guess we got to the truth eventually. What a difference a day makes.
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    Asking Ryan Smith of AT if a special examination could be done?

    Look at http://techreport.com/review/24022/does-the-radeon-hd-7950-stumble-in-windows-8/9, you can see that nothing much has changed from 12.7 beta to 12.11 beta drivers. There were some minor slowdowns, but without knowing what sort of run to run variation they get with their testing it's hard...
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    Asking Ryan Smith of AT if a special examination could be done?

    Nope, I'm not saying this, you are. It's just more idle speculation on your part. Still waiting for your data to show that latency got worse with 12.8. These attempts at distractions are cute but transparent. Which still says nothing about latency getting worse with 12.8 versus older...
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    Asking Ryan Smith of AT if a special examination could be done?

    You're speculating that 12.8s introduced higher latency compared to earlier drivers, which implies you have data from a driver before that to compare to. If you're admitting you don't have that data, it's cool, just come clean and let us know that it's just speculation on your part. And no...
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    Asking Ryan Smith of AT if a special examination could be done?

    That's awfully vague. At what point in the recording do they discuss their results with drivers prior to 12.8?
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    Techreport 7950 vs. GTX 660 Ti "Smoothness" videos

    The other thing that would be nice is a bit of blind or double-blind testing using the videos. Sure, it's really easy to tell that AMD's card is a stuttering mess when you know which video is AMD's. Science shows that it's a whole lot harder to pick up on these "obvious" observations when you...
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    Asking Ryan Smith of AT if a special examination could be done?

    Which "accredited" review site did you get this information from?
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    Techreport 7950 vs. GTX 660 Ti "Smoothness" videos

    Who knows, maybe nVidia will deliver a new beta tomorrow and fix all this mess in one shot.
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    Techreport 7950 vs. GTX 660 Ti "Smoothness" videos

    Again, assuming it is even a problem with the driver and not in the way FRAPS happens to measure certain types of buffering schemes. For example, see how changing from single to double to triple buffering turns another card into a stutter-fest ...
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    Techreport 7950 vs. GTX 660 Ti "Smoothness" videos

    I think you've answered your own question here.