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    Intel Skylake / Kaby Lake

    Doesn't matter. Bottom line is there's no reason to upgrade to Skylake, at all, versus even a nicely overclocked 2500k from two years ago. Thanks to AMD for being so poor, so absolutely awful, that Intel has been able to essentially sit still with no real innovation. We all suffer when...
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    Disappointed by AMD

    Yes and no. The reviews generally compare stock clocked cards, and then OC the FX and put it back in the charts against the stock 980 Ti. But if you take the average 980 Ti overclock Boost level of 1400MHz+ and compare to the average Fury X OC of +100MHz (at best, some are doing as...
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    AMD Fury X Postmortem: What Went Wrong?

    Looking forward to it, never made the jump to 8 as it wasn't needed (7 was solid, why risk it right). But 10 looks like it has some fun toys to play with, could be a good one.
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    AMD Fury X Postmortem: What Went Wrong?

    This. Unfortunately.
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    GTX 980Ti finally launched - MSRP $649 - Reviews

    They're not. It's just in areas where the prices were much higher than $649 US, like certain Euro countries, etc, where the true cost is closer to $750-800 when converted.
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    Disappointed by AMD

    Not a moot point when your primary competition can OC, with warranty, for +200-300MHz. They really screwed up on that end, especially with the hype bragging about "what a great overclocker" the FX is...mindboggling. Yes, good alternate view from the opposite side. Liked it.
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    Disappointed by AMD

    Wrong on the OC headroom, unless you are ok with violating the card's warranty through a modded BIOS. I personally am fine with that, but I don't speak for others. As it is stock, it's one of the worst overclockers we've ever seen, and AMD will not be releasing voltage mods to third party...
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    Who thinks Maxwell is getting a rebrand/rebadge?

    Stop waiting, just buy. If you wait, you can make an argument to wait forever, limitlessly. Always something cheaper/faster around the corner. Buy now, enjoy now. Yes it absolutely will happen, as Pascal is in a galaxy far far away and there's plenty of time to fit in a nice 14nm...
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    Disappointed by AMD

    We're talking about PRICE guy, we obviously know all about the previous generations. AMD and Nvidia were looking to increase prices this latest round, just as Nvidia did previously with the 780 Ti introduction, and Nvidia cut the price unexpectedly just to punish AMD's margins. Keep up...
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    Disappointed by AMD

    You, nor anyone else here, knows that. And the air Fury is still cut down for heat and power issues while on just air (allegedly), so apparently HBM didn't save them anything of note. Still holding out hope that the air Fury is not cut-down, could be a killer at that price.
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    Disappointed by AMD

    double post error
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    If Fury is overpriced, why is a $1000 Titan-X acceptable?

    Yep, what we've been saying in various ways in multiple threads. Two former Titan X owners agree.
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    If Fury is overpriced, why is a $1000 Titan-X acceptable?

    Because it's irrelevant. Re-read my posts in this thread, slowly, calmly, breathing, and understand that the entire thread is pointless as no one gives a #$%! about how the Titan X is priced in proportion to the Fury X. The Fury X is judged by the 980 Ti, and the 980 Ti beat the Fury X in...
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    If Fury is overpriced, why is a $1000 Titan-X acceptable?

    Keysplayr, wtf are you going on about, enough. Who gives a S whether someone said or didn't say the Titan X pricing was appropriate. I guarantee you I could find as many idiots to say that as you require, people will go to extreme lengths to justify and rationalize their purchases as I've...
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    Disappointed by AMD

    That could be, sure. The risks are so big though they would make me pause if I were approving that strategy. We would need to know when they realized they wouldn't be able to ship more than a 4GB product to market. If it was early in the process, that's a management mistake...should...
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    If Fury is overpriced, why is a $1000 Titan-X acceptable?

    Some people, insecure people, will justify anything they buy...feeling that to do otherwise is to make themselves look foolish due to making a mistake. (Not you Headfoot, talking about that Titan X owner). I bought a Titan X near launch, liked it, but quickly realized that the 980 Ti and Fury...
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    Disappointed by AMD

    How do I do a thumbs up emotican haha. Either way your thoughts on timing are correct though as a base. By gambling on needless (does not affect fps at all) HBM memory, AMD was late with this GPU to market. And that lateness has now done the following: 1. Killed profit margin (a Fury X...
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    If Fury is overpriced, why is a $1000 Titan-X acceptable?

    Agree, if the air Fury isn't cut-down that could change everything in terms of how badly this launch has gone. It would tip the value scale hugely.
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    Upgrading GPU to what?

    That's a good thought actually, agree with both. If the air Fury isn't a cut-down core it will be a great value, one that is tempting for his scenario. Come on AMD, you can save the FX s-show you've dumped on the world...don't cut down that core!
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    Disappointed by AMD

    Correct, we agree. 100 is peanuts, I define it as "very few". Sweet, debate over, I win. You also win but that's irrelevant. :D
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    If Fury is overpriced, why is a $1000 Titan-X acceptable?

    How is this even a thread? Who gives a S about Titan X, that thing is now dead as very few people feel that an extra 6GB of VRAM is now worth an added premium that high versus cards giving nearly equal performance hundreds of dollars less. Stop it. The real thought is that FX performs...
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    Disappointed by AMD

    You're talking about selling "100"? Well then yes agree with you, of course. That's obvious. You could sell a million Eskimos a hundred blocks of ice if you try hard enough. I'm talking about the 100,000+ that the Titan X has now sold. Now THAT is big money. And the FX at $1000...
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    Disappointed by AMD

    Nope, dead wrong. A thousand bucks is a thousand bucks, and yes you'd have a few, very few, that would fanboy it up and drop a $1k on a clearly inferior value ($1k FX versus $649 980 Ti), but nothing close to Titan X, because again, as I educated you on before, the TX launched into a...
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    Disappointed by AMD

    No, the benchmarks don't support that at all. That's what made the Titan X screw-job so brilliant, they released it in a vacuum...no other GPUs anywhere near it at the time, which made it look like a value. Yet here we are just 3 months later and every Titan X owner is thinking "why the F...
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    Who thinks Maxwell is getting a rebrand/rebadge?

    Of course it will get a refresh, that's not rocket science. Pascal is further away than most are assuming here, so there will absolutely be time to do a hugely clocked 14nm refreshed 980 prior to Pascal launching that offers +40-50% to a current 980 Ti. No doubt about it. Nothing wrong...
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    AMD Fury X Postmortem: What Went Wrong?

    I don't mind the branding, they went for their own "Titan" and it backfired a bit, but I do like the "Fury" name being brought in to represent their top line products. The real problem is profit margin, there simply isn't enough in a water-cooled Fury X to have the price sit at $599...
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    AMD Fury X Postmortem: What Went Wrong?

    Also agree. There is no advantage to AMD "going to HBM now versus later". And memory bandwidth doesn't affect fps much anyway, as the Fury X's results show. You can downclock a Titan X's memory by -50%, half as fast as stock speeds, and in-game fps rates only fall by 12%. And conversely...
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    AMD Fury X Postmortem: What Went Wrong?

    Agree. And worse, Nvidia only priced the 980 Ti at $649 because they wanted to put the screws to AMD's profit margins on the two Fury X SKUs. That's it. Otherwise it would have been far more expensive. The rumors about 980 Ti being a "$799" card two months ago were absolutely 100% true...
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    Disappointed by AMD

    That's true, once a chip disappoints AMD tends to lower the price continually until it finds a nice price/performance value spot that makes sense. The problem is that lately the disappointments are so frequent that their average gross margin has fallen through the floor, i.e., not enough...
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    Quiet and Cool. Which card?

    There you go, question answered. I had a Titan X Hybrid briefly last month and it was wonderful. Didn't open up any more MHz as heat isn't the main barrier with GM200, but it was so so quiet and much easier than a custom closed loop option. I would assume the Fury X would also work...
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    AMD Fury X Reviews

    After that wall of text, this sentence is the only accurate thing you said. :) Kidding kidding, honestly way tldr. But fully agree on the competition sentiment. If this card doesn't sell, we'll be looking at $1000+ high-end cards from here on out. No one wants that. Look how bad it's...
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    AMD Fury X Postmortem: What Went Wrong?

    They've been saying that since...2003? The whole "oh just wait for teh betters drivers guyzzzz" thing is played out. Enough. Besides, the core is similar enough to Tonga (40% I believe? Someone correct if wrong) that drivers aren't going to magically unlock anything down the road. It is...
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    Gigabyte RMA blows

    The G1 is a bit overrated by the community currently. Good card for sure, but the MSI 6 and EVGA SC+ are within 3db tops and just as strong overclocking since none of them are binned at all (despite what Gigabyte claims on their website...nope, confirmed not binned).
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    AMD Fury X Reviews

    There's no fix for that, RMA/replace only. Same thing happens on the EVGA 980 Ti Hybrid cards, occasionally you get a bad one with pump noise and the only "fix" is to replace it.
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    AMD Fury X Postmortem: What Went Wrong?

    FX is voltage locked, which means you need to run a modded BIOS to unlock it and get even halfway decent clock rates, which equals warranty voided. So overclocking isn't something that can save the day here unfortunately. And the air cooled card, which I also thought would be the best value...
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    Disappointed by AMD

    This is so old and tired, but it always gets me lol-ing even after all this time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhVo7yPjQvE Sorry AMD, we still love you though!
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    AMD Fury X Postmortem: What Went Wrong?

    That's Titan X, nearly three months to the day.
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    AMD Fury X Postmortem: What Went Wrong?

    Or at a $599 price point for the AIO version FX, $499 price point for the air version FX. It seems trivial, $50 less, but the value proposition would have been screaming at that level, $1200 for Crossfired up Fury Xs on water is dead sexy compared to the $1500 it costs to mimic that setup via...
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    AMD Fury X Postmortem: What Went Wrong?

    You're missing the point, we've seen this all before. Every AMD architecture preview gets this "OH BOY OH BOY OH BOY I CANT WAIT" treatment... ...and every single time for most of the last decade by the time it arrives, long delayed, it's already blown away by the Intel price point competitor...
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    AMD Fury X Postmortem: What Went Wrong?

    Do we know that for sure, that the air version is cut down? Damn, that would have been really sharp if it were a full Fiji, because you could Crossfire two of them for just $1100 and have a sweet 4k setup for not too big a $$$ hit.