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    About fans, rpm, silence, etc...

    It's worth pointing out that there are many more choices of 120mm fans than there are 140mm fans and manufacturers are still working to optimize mechanics and designs for 140mm. At the moment, there are only a handful of 140mm fans which can match the upper levels of the 120mm fan market...
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    Teflon flu

    Additionally, that initial site you listed is filled with various other forms of quackery, including the dangers of cell phones and Wi-Fi (which seems possible for people who don't understand electromagnetic radiation) and an article warning people about how mercury causes autism, despite the...
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    Teflon flu

    Where did you hear that? Everything I've seen has quoted the off-gassing to begin around 500F. That is scorching hot as far as frying goes. Even the article you quoted lists 464F. The citation seems believable. The only form of frying that routinely uses heat that high is stir frying, which...
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    Teflon flu

    Okay... this is really easier than it sounds. Can you fry in a frying pan? Yes, of course. That's what they're for. I think the key thing that some people are missing is this: Temperature. The decomposition of Teflon doesn't start to occur until 500F (cite). If you keep your pan under 500F...
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    2600K: Archon vs. MUX-120

    No problem. The discussion is a bit roundabout. More like: The focus was to find a heatsink that will work with RAM which I've already purchased. Yeah, that was my plan, too. But I was able to buy 16GB of DDR3-1600 for just $135. Sniper RAM was still at $175. Of course, since then it...
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    2600K: Archon vs. MUX-120

    It's really not. I just expected to be able to find more people using it. As for the reason why I even considered it: I looked at the Hyper 212 and it should work, but I plan to overclock, none of the cases I was looking at had a direct forced-air path to the CPU, and the location the computer...
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    2600K: Archon vs. MUX-120

    Well, its nice to hear that my calculations weren't far off. If I understand correctly, the RAM should seat directly on the motherboard PCB, so... there we are. 40mm is the max height, requiring some fan shifting. I'm actually a bit torn. I'm really leaning toward the MUX, just to avoid the...
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    i7-2600K build: Overclocking: GPU Unlock/OC

    For the most part, the heat spreaders are unnecessary. There are some situations (fanless liquid cooling boxes, builds which largely obstruct any air flow to the RAM) where they are helpful, but so long as you've got air circulating and aren't over-volting them, then there's no real benefit to...
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    2600K: Archon vs. MUX-120

    Well... er... it would be cool to get some confirmation from someone who actually owns the heatsink, but I'm not going to think less of you if you don't. The definitive numbers would be: The distance from the motherboard surface to the bottom of the TY-140 The distance from the surface of the...
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    2600K: Archon vs. MUX-120

    Okay... I'm silly. I've been struggling over this question for a week now, totally forgetting that I've got all four sticks of Ripjaws X sitting in a room upstairs. A tape measure and Google (for the conversion) later, and I can confirm that the Ripjaws X is 40mm tall, and shows no change from...
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    2600K: Archon vs. MUX-120

    I was under th impression that the Ripjaws were just short enough to avoid the fan, while the Corsair Vengeance (which DrBoss has) was just a little too tall. I asked him about it. We'll see what he says.
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    i7-2600K build: Overclocking: GPU Unlock/OC

    I got referred to this thread, and rightly so. I've got a 2600K build in the pipeline that is surprisingly close to this one. I've only got the P8P67, C300 instead of X-25M, and I'll be using the 650D instead of the Define R3. The other big difference is that I've got 16GB of Ripjaws X. I'm...
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    2600K: Archon vs. MUX-120

    Okay, this is going to seem like a silly question, but let me explain. I've got a 2600K (and I'm embarrassed about it), a P8P67 to put it in, and 16GB of G.SKILL Ripjaws X (1600). At the moment, I'm looking to put them all in a Corsair 650D, but if Fractal Design decides to release the Arc...
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    Ripjaws vs. Archon/Megahalems

    I suppose the missing bit of information here is that I was buying a 4x4GB set. So, yeah: All four slots filled. Doesn't matter all that much in the end. The Archon was overkill anyway, and if I'm worried about clearance, I should be fine with a Venomous-X or MUX-120 (Black).
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    [DEAD] Newegg - G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) $149.99

    Well the plan was to use these in one of the Asus P8P67s (base or pro, probably). Hmm... Maybe I could switch to a MUX-120 Black instead of the Archon. Just trying to keep TR in the running for being my heatsink.
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    Ripjaws vs. Archon/Megahalems

    I had picked the Sniper RAM, too. However, 2x2x4GB of Sniper (1333) RAM was $170 and 4x4GB of Ripjaws X (1600) was $135. I didn't really want the heat spreaders, but I'm not sure that avoiding the spreaders was worth the $35. I'm okay with the fan touching. If its an issue, I'll just move...
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    Ripjaws vs. Archon/Megahalems

    Well, I hope they work. ...because I just ordered them... With Windows 7 Pro because it will still ship for free.
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    Ripjaws vs. Archon/Megahalems

    Looking for a quick answer while the Ripjaws Shell Shocker is still active: Does anyone know if the Ripjaws heat spreaders interfere with the fans on the Thermalright Archon or Prolimatech Megahalems on P67 boards? I can see examples of them clearing heat spreaders on various AMD boards and...
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    [DEAD] Newegg - G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) $149.99

    I hoped this would be easier to figure out, but would the heat spreaders on these interfere with the fans on the TR Archon or Megahalems (or even things like the Hyper 212 or Dark Knight)? Quick answers earn lots of respect from me (which isn't impressive, I realize), but I've got these hanging...
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    Sleeved or fluid dynamic bearing fans

    In general, you should avoid using sleeve bearings for fans which are mounted horizontally (that is: blowing up or down). When mounted horizontally, sleeve bearings have a tendency to get louder and wear faster, due to (I think) settling or poor distribution of the lubricant. For instance, I...
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    Wipe a HDD clean?

    What are you trying to accomplish? Are you just trying to get a pristine format without corruption? Then a normal (non-quick) format from any DOS utility or Windows tool should be fine. Are you trying to securely erase a disk so its contents cannot be recovered? Then your fastest bet is...
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    2x2GB sticks or 1 4GB stick????

    Wait, You mean, having just one stick vs. having two? Why wouldn't you want the two so you could run in Dual-Channel mode?
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    Planning for SB in April

    More updates: Motherboard: I've added the MSI P67A-GD55 as an alternative to the ASUS board. The P8067 EVO has sort of dropped off the market, so I'm left without a favorite now. The base P8P67 is fine, but people are having issues with all the ASUS P67 boards. The MSI is good, but...
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    Planning for SB in April

    I'm trying to come at it from two different perspectives. SPCR is where I go to get advice on keeping builds quiet. AnandTech is where I go to get advice on getting good performance from a build. Hence my balancing act. SPCR pointed out that the Kama Flow/Flex fans were better than the...
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    Planning for SB in April

    Indeed. I have a WD6400AAKS myself. If you say the two are indistinguishable, then that actually says a lot to me. Considering the price I can get a F3 1TB for, its probably worth buying even if I end up taking steps later to quiet it down. My 8800GTS is indeed loud...when its being used...
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    Planning for SB in April

    A few of them, with varying degrees of authority: Here is a review from Guru3D, measuring the noise as matching the Twin Frozr. Actually, it's marked as slightly quieter, but I doubt they have the accuracy to differentiate by a single dB considering that it seems they've got a pretty high...
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    Planning for SB in April

    That would be the Twin Frozr seen here? If so, that was the other card I had considered, but I hadn't found any (reliable) reports of how it sounded. I seem to remember Anandtech saying it was quiet, but... sorry Anandtech, but the noise floor was 40dB. It sort of invalidates the results...
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    Planning for SB in April

    Agreed, to some degree. One of the reasons why I selected that particular GPU was because it didn't use the reference rotor to vent to the outside. It uses a pair of (92mm?) fans to blow across a heatsink much like pretty much every aftermarket GPU cooler does. The exhaust air is kept within...
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    Planning for SB in April

    But it is quieter, and it has a direct opening to the room. Yes, a video card is going to be louder than either, but you've got a chance of dampening or otherwise reducing the sound of the video card. I've got an 8800GTS G92 right now and its as loud or louder than the GTX-560 will be. At...
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    Planning for SB in April

    I've found a decent benchmark showing a bunch of the drives I'm interested in at XBit labs, in their 2010 hard drive round up. They actually liked the Samsung F4 as a general system drive, with honors to the F4EG as an impressive green drive. Looking through the benchmarks, it still seems...
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    Planning for SB in April

    This is what I'm still struggling with. Hardware specs tell me that a Black/F3 is best for games/apps, that a Green/EcoGreen is best for silence and power, and that a Blue is best for balancing both. However, I keep seeing performance numbers that put the latest Green/EcoGreen performance...
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    Planning for SB in April

    I've updated the original post. The 2500K is pretty much certain now, and I'm strongly leaning toward the SS-560KM (X-560) for PSU. I've added some concrete choices for storage. I've also added the CM 690 II Advanced as a possible case and improved the fans I'd likely use with it.
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    Planning for SB in April

    I've been unsure of what to think about various controllers. Some people say that you should avoid Sandforce, some say you should avoid Marvell, and its pretty common for them to conflict with each other. Is this one of those cases where you can argue about which is the very best, but that...
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    Planning for SB in April

    Perhaps this is a question for another forum, but is there a reason you suggested the Force 120 over the C300? They seem to be at a similar price point, but with different controllers.
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    Planning for SB in April

    Here is a run-down on the budget: CPU: 2500K = $180 (+$100 for 2600K) Mobo: ASUS P8P67 LE = $145 Video: ASUS GTX-560 Ti = $250 RAM: 16GB G.SKILL DDR3 1333 = $170 HDD: 1.5TB Caviar Green = $70 (+$10 for 2.0TB Green) (-$5 for F3) ODD: ASUS DVD-RW = $20 PSU: M12II 520W = $90 (+$30 for SS-560KM)...
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    Planning for SB in April

    Indeed, and I didn't mean to put words in your mouth (on the contrary, I found your arguments rather convincing). Editing and compilation are one of the less interesting parts of the processor load: Most IDEs, and certainly Eclipse, are (sometimes heavily) multithreaded applications...
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    Planning for SB in April

    Alright, seeing as the B3 motherboards are showing up on the market again, I figure now is a good time to get some feedback on a couple things for my upcoming April (or May) build. (Updated: 3/13) (Updated: 3/19) The boring stuff: Budget: ~$1300 +/-$100 (+ decent SSD through other funding)...
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    SB roll call...

    Yeah... and if I procrastinate, it will become "2011 SB or Ivy Bridge! OMG! HELP!!!11" No worries for me, though. I've got my own tick/tock schedule. New build every three years. Eighteen months later, it gets a memory upgrade and video upgrade if needed. Eighteen months after that, it...
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    SB roll call...

    I'm waiting for Sandy Bridge, but I'll skip the initial rush and do my build sometime around April. Of course, SB won't be new and cool then, and I'll just be one of the herd, but I'm hoping for G3 SSDs and some price drops in video cards before I finally pull the trigger. It'll give me time...