I have a Visiontek Ti 4600 and the 2d looks the same to me as the R8500. But the FPS...WOW! I would highly recommend the GF4 if you wan't high res gaming.
I have a Visiontek Ti 4600 and I can't imagine a card being any better. SOOOO fast! 2D is just great, and 3D is beautiful. Nothing even close to a problem during installation.
You do need to check into the EPoX AGP slot problem with the Ti 4600 though. I think it is a real issue.
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