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Old 07-02-2000, 12:06 AM   #1
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This photo was actually brought up and needed by another member here, I believe in the old forum. It was found by a member here and damnit, I can't remember the name for the life of me. Anyway the photo is of an F-4 Phantom fighter jet (I believe) with an awesome cloud of vapor coming from the nose and it looks like it's about 20 ft. in the air. Can anyone find it? Appreciate...
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Old 07-02-2000, 12:38 AM   #2
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This one?

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/...con-sndbar.jpg

Although that is a F18 Hornet..

And a high res version, very grainy:

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/images/hornetsb.jpg
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Old 07-02-2000, 12:43 AM   #3
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Found it in an old thread. I hope this is what you wanted. http://members.bellatlantic.net/~ethanh/phantom.jpg
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Old 07-02-2000, 12:44 AM   #4
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SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!

Talk about some kick-ass pictures!

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Old 07-02-2000, 01:08 AM   #5
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I like aircraft photographs but to me nothing makes a kick-ass picture like a battleship broadside.

http://www.battleship.org/images/bb61fa.jpg

Gotta love those old firewagons!

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Old 07-02-2000, 01:14 AM   #6
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Holy fsck dennil!
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Old 07-02-2000, 02:06 AM   #7
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Really Dennil,

What the hell is that? Is that an aircraft exploding near a ship? I have never seen anything like that! :Q

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Old 07-02-2000, 02:37 AM   #8
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That was my post of the Phantom....FYI.

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Old 07-02-2000, 02:39 AM   #9
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Thats the report from firing the main guns. 6 110 pound sacks of gunpowder to launch a 1900 pound shell about 25 miles, depending on the gun. They have to loosen some of the screws on the turrets just to fire otherwise the recoil will shear them. Pretty cool.

I wonder how much trouble that F4 pilot got in for doing that. I bet he blew every window out in those vehicles on the ground. Low flying sonic boom is no way to make friends with the neighbors.
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Old 07-02-2000, 02:48 AM   #10
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Video of the battleship is even better. See the waves coming off the backside of it...
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Old 07-02-2000, 03:01 AM   #11
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Some interesting facts on those big guns:

-The 16inch/50 caliber Mark 7 gun fires two basic rounds; a 2,700 pound AP (Armor Piercing) and a 1,900 pound HC (High Capacity) shore bombardment projectile.

-The rotating weight of the turret, less projectiles, is approximately 1,700 tons.

-A minimum crew of 77 men is required for each turret and the rate of fire is two rounds per minute per gun.





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Old 07-02-2000, 03:31 AM   #12
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Catseye,
I'm sure the owner of that Aero Commander wasn't too happy either!

Those are some really interesting facts on Denil's pic. I'm in awe at the shear power that must be kickin' out! :Q

Synthetik,
Like I said, sorry I couldn't remember the name but, thanks for posting it originally!
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Old 07-02-2000, 03:55 AM   #13
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try browsing http://www.battleship.org/images/ there's lots of cool pics
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Old 07-02-2000, 04:26 AM   #14
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Yup. This one's pretty good too.

http://www.battleship.org/images/bb62fb.jpg

One thing to remember is that it's awfully hard to judge the penetrating power of a round simply by the shell's weight or gun caliber. Velocity is also another factor: for example, the 14inch gun introduced by the Royal Navy in the King George V battleship class in 1942 was superior to the previous 15inch guns, both in rate of fire and penetrating power. Increasing the propellant achieved greater velocities but at the expense of more rapid barrel wear due to the hot gases. One could also increase barrel length but this led to vibration problems that seriously affected accuracy.It was hard to achieve a good balance.

The most powerful guns on British battleships were the 16inchers on H.M.S. Nelson and Rodney, firing a 2461pound round every 24 seconds.
As a note to exemplify battleship gun durability, Britain's final and greatest battleship, the 51420tonne H.M.S. Vanguard of 1946 sported
8 15inch guns that were originally fitted in the H.M.S. Courageous and H.M.S. Glorious of World War I.

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Old 07-02-2000, 04:36 AM   #15
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On that page it said that the armor piercing shells on an Iowa class ship could penetrate 32 feet of concrete. Why did so many German casements survive the pre-landing bombardment on D-Day, I wonder. I thought the thickness was about 12-16 feet (with rebar).
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They survived because most of the aerial bombardment preceding D-day took place in Brittany. This was, after all, to be a surprise attack and the bombardment was supposed to be seen by the Germans as a pre-landing softening of the Atlantic Wall. So the Germans concentrated their defenses in the Pas-De-Calais. As for the naval bombardment, a lot of the troops inside the bunkers were actually casualties of the concussion by near misses as most of the rounds fired were HE rather than AP. That was planned that way.

The Iowa class battleships were not involved in D-day. They were built for speed and range to offer mostly protection to the fast-moving task forces in the Pacific, particularly in their use as extensive platforms for AA batteries. Onshore bombardment was a secondary purpose that could also be fullfilled just as well by even the pre-Pearl Harbor batttleships. HE rounds were more suited to that than armor-piercing rounds. Ditto for fighting against smaller surface vessels.

Battleship AP rounds tended to go right through destroyers before exploding and this allowed Fletcher class screen destroyers from Taffy Force 3 to survive several direct hits form the 18inch guns of the Yamato and the 14inch guns of the Kongo and Haruna while protecting escort carriers (which also survived similar hits) during the Battle of Leyte Gulf, more precisely the battle off Samar, when Admiral Halsey fell for the Japanese lure and went north after a Japanese decoy force of undermanned (basically empty) carriers, leaving the beach front vulnerable to a surface action from the last concentration of Japanese cruisers and battleships while Oldendorff's battle line was finishing another in Suragao Strait. Eventually, though, the destroyer Roberts and the CVE Gambier Bay did sink.


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Wingnut, I sent it to you. I am unable to upload it to my pictures site right now so I will post it later.


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Battleships AP rounds tended to go right through destroyers before exploding :Q
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Yup. Only in movies can you see Gorgo or Godzilla maul a battleship. In real life, there would be Godzilla soup as soon as they got the range.

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