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Old 08-26-2009, 09:48 PM   #1
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Default Woodrow Wilson... The most racist president ever?

Just looking to discuss it, i feel that he was by far the most racist, having it well known that he was racist, and supported racist ideals....

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Default Woodrow Wilson... The most racist president ever?

I would imagine that the most racist president would likely be one of the presidents that owned slaves.
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The nation was built on racism, ask the Native Americans about it....
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Old 08-26-2009, 10:10 PM   #4
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Being part Cherokee, I'm going to have to say Andrew Jackson.
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Obama.
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Old 08-26-2009, 10:20 PM   #6
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Default Woodrow Wilson... The most racist president ever?

Seeing how our own US president came up a US version of concentration camp, I'm going with FDR. Oh no, them Japs born here on US soil are spies, let's put them all in concentration camps. Sigh...
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Old 08-26-2009, 10:25 PM   #7
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Seeing how our own US president came up a US version of concentration camp, I'm going with FDR. Oh no, them Japs born here on US soil are spies, let's put them all in concentration camps. Sigh...
To a much lesser extent, German Americans were also rounded up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_American_internment
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Old 08-26-2009, 10:46 PM   #8
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A thought...

Everyone who was alive in 1920 was probably FAR more racist than most Americans are today.

Is it really fair to judge Wilson or Jackson based on todays standards?
Or would we be better served by comparing them to their contemporaries?

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Old 08-26-2009, 10:47 PM   #9
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All nations have been built on racism, ask any conquered peoples about it....
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Most nations weren't built on land stolen from conquered peoples.
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Old 08-26-2009, 11:20 PM   #11
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Seeing how our own US president came up a US version of concentration camp, I'm going with FDR. Oh no, them Japs born here on US soil are spies, let's put them all in concentration camps. Sigh...
Although horrible, our internment of the Japanese was not the same as German concentration camps. Please dont marginalize what a real concentration camp in Poland was like.
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All nations have been built on racism, ask any conquered peoples about it....
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Most nations weren't built on land stolen from conquered peoples.
Erm, yeah they were, and have been for thousands of years.
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I would imagine that the most racist president would likely be one of the presidents that owned slaves.
for a large portion of time slavery was not associated with a color and did not infer racism but rather classism.
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Just looking to discuss it, i feel that he was by far the most racist, having it well known that he was racist, and supported racist ideals....

your vote?
Actually, his wife was the real racist in the family. Plus, she spent some time as defacto President, too.
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for a large portion of time slavery was not associated with a color and did not infer racism but rather classism.
We're talking about the US in this thread, stupi. Slavery in the US was exactly, explicitly and exclusively based on color.

And slavery elsewhere was not classism iether, but rather tribalism/clannism/proto-nationalism.

Slavery was never classism. :roll:

The institution of indentured servants, however, was.

Many "white" Americans got their start in this country as indentured servants. And, no, indentured servants were never slaves -- big difference.

Your post is complete and utter drivel.
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All nations have been built on racism, ask any conquered peoples about it....
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Most nations weren't built on land stolen from conquered peoples.
Name just one that wasn't.
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1) Andrew Jackson
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44) George W. Bush
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Depending on your definition you can name any number of presidents...Taylor who iirc actually owned slaves, Nixon.....
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Obama never abandoned victims of a natural disaster solely based on their skin color so land developers could snatch up the property they lived on dirt cheap. Your dry drunk hero that you claimed you'd support no matter what did that.
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We're talking about the US in this thread, stupi. Slavery in the US was exactly, explicitly and exclusively based on color.
No slavery was not exclusive to whites even though whites were majority of owners. In fact the very first slave owner was a negro named Anthony Johnson. He went to court in Virginia in 1654 and was allowed to keep John Castor (first slave) for life.


Anthony Johnson and John Castor:

In 1654, John Castor of Northampton County in the Virginia Colony became the first person in that colony to be declared a slave for life.

At this time, there were only about 300 persons of African origin living in the Virginia Colony, about 1% of an estimated 30,000 population. The first came to Jamestown in 1619 as indentured servants. After working out their loans for passage money to Virginia, 50 acres (200,000 m2) of land was granted to each when freed from their indentures, so they could raise their own tobacco or other crops.

Anthony Johnson was a Black colonist, one of the original 20 brought to Jamestown in 1619. By 1623, Johnson had achieved his freedom as was a "free Negro". During the late 1640s, Johnson moved with his family to Northampton County on Virginia's Eastern Shore where he acquired property on Pungoteague Creek and began raising livestock. By July 1651, he had brought his holdings, which he referred to in a court record as myne owne ground, to 250 acres (1.0 km2), then a considerable tract by eastern shore standards and was prosperous enough to import five people of his own and was granted 250 acres (1.0 km2) as "headrights".

John Castor, a Black man employed by Johnson, said that he had been imported as an indentured servant and attempted to transfer what he argued was his remaining time of service to Robert Parker, a White colonist. However, Anthony Johnson brought suit in Northampton County court against Robert Parker in 1654 for detaining his "Negro servant, John Castor," saying "hee had ye Negro for his life". In the case of Johnson vs Parker, the court of Northampton County upheld Johnson's right to hold Castor as a slave, saying:

seriously consideringe and maturely weighing the premisses, doe fynde that the saide Mr. Robert Parker most unjustly keepeth the said Negro from Anthony Johnson his master? It is therefore the Judgement of the Court and ordered That the said John Castor Negro forthwith returne unto the service of the said master Anthony Johnson, And that Mr. Robert Parker make payment of all charges in the suit.

Sustaining the claim of Anthony Johnson to the perpetual service of John Castor the court gave judicial sanction to the right of Negroes to own slaves of their own race. Indeed no earlier record, to our knowledge, has been found of judicial support given to slavery in Virginia except as a punishment for crime. The defendant, John Castor, thus became the first individual known to be declared a slave in what later became the United States.

In 1665 Anthony Johnson and his wife Mary, his son John and his wife Susanna, and their slave John Castor moved to Somerset County, Maryland. Castor remained Johnson's slave for the rest of his life.

By the end of the 17th century, large numbers of slaves from Africa were brought by Dutch and British ships to the colonies extending from Delaware south.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Casor

Other Negros also owned slaves. Two thirds of whites came as indentured servants.
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Oh and Indians owned slaves too:

By 1860, the Cherokees had 4,600 slaves; the Choctaws, 2,344; the Creeks, 1,532; the Chickasaws, 975; and the Seminoles, 500. Some Indian slave owners were as harsh and cruel as any white slave master. Indians were often hired to catch runaway slaves; in fact, slave-catching was a lucrative way of life for some Indians, especially the Chickasaws.

Black slavery in America usually evokes images of the antebellum South, but few realize that members of the Five Civilized Tribes--the Cherokees, Choctaws, Chickasaws, Creeks, and Seminoles--in Indian Territory, today's Oklahoma, also had slaves. Like their counterparts in the South, Indian slaveholders feared slave revolts. Those fears came true in 1842 when slaves in the Cherokee Nation made a daring dash for freedom.

In the 1830s and 1840s, initially at the insistence of President Andrew Jackson, the United States government forcibly removed the Five Civilized Tribes from their homes in Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, North Carolina, Georgia, and Florida to Indian Territory west of the Mississippi River. Their removal opened the lands to white settlers and planters.

When they moved, all of the tribes took with them established systems of slavery. Mixed-blood Indians, the offspring of white traders and frontiersmen who married Indian women, were the principal slaveholders in the tribes, largely because their fathers had taught them the economics of slavery. Those mixed-blood Indians remained tribal members and became important middlemen between white settlers and Indian communities.

Many Cherokees depended on black slaves as a bridge to white to white society. Full-blood Indian slave owners relied on the blacks as English interpreters and translators.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/655380/posts



A few years ago the Cherokee voted to kick slave descendants out of the tribe:


Cherokees eject slave descendants

Members of the Cherokee Nation of native Americans have voted to revoke tribal citizenship for descendants of black slaves the Cherokees once owned.

A total of 76.6% voted to amend the tribal constitution to limit citizenship to "blood" tribe members.

Supporters said only the Cherokees had the right to determine tribal members.

Opponents said the amendment was racist and aimed at preventing those with African-American heritage from gaining tribal revenue and government funding.

The Cherokee Nation has 250,000 to 270,000 members, second only to the Navajo.


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Indian slavery and chattel slavery were totally different things. Go read a book, Barry.
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i find it funny how many think slavery is a white only thing. ahh how history has distorted the truth.



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