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Old 04-23-2007, 02:54 PM   #1
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Default What does .PDF take so long to load?

I would expect that Intel Core 2 Duo computer I saw at BestBuy would at least open up pdf files quickly. I mean I dont expect C2D system to do wonders like encode a video while burning 2 DVD's and watching HD video at the same time...but I was expecting it to handle PDF quickly. I am using AMD 64 3200+ @2.0GHz 1GB PC3200 RAM to type this, and on this machine PDF files open very slowly...so why is Intel Core 2 Duo system which came out 3 years later after I bought this AMD still struggles with PDF files? What is so magical about them and why does it own 99.9% of home computers?
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Old 04-23-2007, 02:58 PM   #2
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You cannot judge performance based on a computer you saw at a retail store. Who know what else was running on that thing.
What pdf file were you trying to open? Even on your comp, pdf files shouldn't take too long unless they're huge.
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Old 04-23-2007, 02:58 PM   #3
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Are you using Acrobat? Acrobat reader? CutePDF? Foxit?
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Old 04-23-2007, 03:01 PM   #4
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Adobe reader has gotten to be kinda bloated, too.

Try Foxit for a skinny PDF reader.

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Old 04-23-2007, 03:04 PM   #5
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cause you're using bloated adobe software? Foxit FTW. no need to install, whole app is about 2MB and it open up really fast.
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Old 04-23-2007, 03:31 PM   #6
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Default What does .PDF take so long to load?

i still use acrobat 6 professional and it opens pdfs pretty quick....
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Old 04-23-2007, 03:32 PM   #7
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Yeah, Acrobat pro is always less bloated, and Acrobat 6 was before I had converted too
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Old 04-23-2007, 03:33 PM   #8
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I had given up on Adobe Reader and moved to FoxIT. No installation or setup. Just a lil' exe file to point to. Sure, you lose integration with browsers and it wasn't big on features but it worked.

Adobe Reader 8 made me return to Adobe. It's fast and loads as quick as Word 2003, doesn't cause my browsers (IE/Firefox) to freeze, loads in an instant and is everything it should have been from the start. Give it a try.

(Single core A64, 512MB RAM, XP Pro SP2 here)
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Old 04-23-2007, 04:07 PM   #9
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I had given up on Adobe Reader and moved to FoxIT. No installation or setup. Just a lil' exe file to point to. Sure, you lose integration with browsers and it wasn't big on features but it worked.

Adobe Reader 8 made me return to Adobe. It's fast and loads as quick as Word 2003, doesn't cause my browsers (IE/Firefox) to freeze, loads in an instant and is everything it should have been from the start. Give it a try.

(Single core A64, 512MB RAM, XP Pro SP2 here)
really? you say adobe 8 is good? the problems i had with 7 wouldn't stop so i converted to Foxit. but you say adobe 8 is also fast?
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Old 04-23-2007, 04:51 PM   #10
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Yup, I couldn't believe it myself. Adobe Reader 8 really is that good. Give it a whirl
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Old 04-23-2007, 06:32 PM   #11
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I dunno what PDFs you guys open, I open eBooks (like this: http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/rails2/ ) with acrobat reader 7.0.9 reasonably fast on a:
AMD 3200+ (32bit! NOT A64), 2x512 DDR400 RAM and XP Pro...

edit: I do however, have acrobat speedlaunch or whatever...it basically preloads adobe on system startup in RAM
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Old 04-23-2007, 06:34 PM   #12
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Hey guys, i should have mentioned that I know about Foxit and other 3rd party readers.

However the point of this thread is because i was curious as to why it happened

I mean why should a 1MB pdf file take so much time to load.

And I know that i can't compare my own computer to a one i saw in stores, but regardless of that, that computer was Core 2 Duo 2.0GHz with 1GB of DDR2 ram, so don't you guys at least think it should perform better than mine....given the fact it was only like a 3 MB pdf file.

To test it out, why dont you guys load up some random PDF's with size of like 1MB, and post up the results of how many seconds and what is your system spec. (cpu+ram)
I mean it doesnt bother me...i just want to know why the heck it takes that long
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Old 04-23-2007, 06:37 PM   #13
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lol I have a 789MHz 300MB ram , integrated graphics...computer ....PDF files freeze my computer
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Old 04-23-2007, 07:08 PM   #14
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I just opened up a few brochures (Paradigm speakers, Revel Speakers, BMW M-series etc.)
All of them 2-3MB.

A64 2800+, 512MB RAM
Adobe Reader 8.0 (I don't even use the Speedlaunch feature where it loads into memory at startup)
<3secs for the first one.
Next ones were practically instantaneous. Just like using MS Word.

After shutting down all instances of the program and waiting for a minute, ~2secs to open a 2MB PDF.

I found a quick test-file using Google. PDF
Clicking on it in Firefox 2.0.0.3, it took about 5-6 seconds for the Adobe Reader interface to load in the tab. No hourglass!

Edit: I am not sure what the proper answer to your question is. I'm just going to say it took Adobe eight major revisions to get it right. The previous versions of their software sucked donkey genitals.
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Old 04-23-2007, 07:22 PM   #15
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Edit: I am not sure what the proper answer to your question is. I'm just going to say it took Adobe Foxit taking away 10% of thier marketshare to get it right. The previous versions of their software sucked donkey genitals.
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Old 04-23-2007, 07:41 PM   #16
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I've been using this little applet w/o issue or complaint for nearly 3 yrs now. PDF's are still a load, but this really does noticeably speed things up.
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Old 04-23-2007, 07:47 PM   #17
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Adobe 7 was slow as molasses. Adobe 8 is wonderful. Its fast and has a sleek interface.
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Old 04-24-2007, 05:13 AM   #18
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I must say, I've never had a problem with this. And I'm running a 3 GHz P4 Prescott with 2 GBs of RAM (the ram is good, the P4 is not. yay netburst). Even large ebooks take only 3-4 seconds to load. And I'm using adobe reader 7.0. So what's going on?
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Old 04-24-2007, 05:25 AM   #19
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Adobe 7 was slow as molasses. Adobe 8 is wonderful. Its fast and has a sleek interface.
I agree. I've always just had an irrational hatred for PDFs but Adobe Reader 8 is pretty nice to use.
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Old 04-24-2007, 09:54 AM   #20
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I just opened up a few brochures (Paradigm speakers, Revel Speakers, BMW M-series etc.)
All of them 2-3MB.

A64 2800+, 512MB RAM
Adobe Reader 8.0 (I don't even use the Speedlaunch feature where it loads into memory at startup)
<3secs for the first one.
Next ones were practically instantaneous. Just like using MS Word.

After shutting down all instances of the program and waiting for a minute, ~2secs to open a 2MB PDF.

I found a quick test-file using Google. PDF
Clicking on it in Firefox 2.0.0.3, it took about 5-6 seconds for the Adobe Reader interface to load in the tab. No hourglass!

Edit: I am not sure what the proper answer to your question is. I'm just going to say it took Adobe eight major revisions to get it right. The previous versions of their software sucked donkey genitals.
4400+ w/2GBs of memory 48 instances of SeaMonkey, 4 IE and copying a DVD on the fly while posting this it took 4 seconds to open that w/ AdobeReader 7.0
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Old 04-24-2007, 09:56 AM   #21
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I just opened up a few brochures (Paradigm speakers, Revel Speakers, BMW M-series etc.)
All of them 2-3MB.

A64 2800+, 512MB RAM
Adobe Reader 8.0 (I don't even use the Speedlaunch feature where it loads into memory at startup)
<3secs for the first one.
Next ones were practically instantaneous. Just like using MS Word.

After shutting down all instances of the program and waiting for a minute, ~2secs to open a 2MB PDF.

I found a quick test-file using Google. PDF
Clicking on it in Firefox 2.0.0.3, it took about 5-6 seconds for the Adobe Reader interface to load in the tab. No hourglass!

Edit: I am not sure what the proper answer to your question is. I'm just going to say it took Adobe eight major revisions to get it right. The previous versions of their software sucked donkey genitals.
4400+ w/2GBs of memory 48 instances of SeaMonkey, 4 IE and copying a DVD on the fly while posting this it took 4 seconds to open that w/ AdobeReader 7.0
2 seconds here.....
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Old 04-24-2007, 10:13 AM   #22
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I found a quick test-file using Google. PDF
Clicking on it in Firefox 2.0.0.3, it took about 5-6 seconds for the Adobe Reader interface to load in the tab. No hourglass!


2 seconds here.....
snappy P2 350 w/ 192MB of ram there
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Old 04-24-2007, 10:15 AM   #23
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Foxit >>>> Adobe Acrobat
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Old 04-24-2007, 10:24 AM   #24
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I found a quick test-file using Google. PDF
Clicking on it in Firefox 2.0.0.3, it took about 5-6 seconds for the Adobe Reader interface to load in the tab. No hourglass!


2 seconds here.....
snappy P2 350 w/ 192MB of ram there
Ya, 6300@2.8GHz, 2GB RAM here Takes a lot to get anywhere it seems... I opened it again just now and it took <1sec though; Acrobat is probably in RAM now.
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Old 04-24-2007, 10:52 AM   #25
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Depends on what is in the PDF - there can be significant compression and page layout going on to make the file displayable. The PDF file and the Acrobat Reader are built around the PostScript PDL (page description language). I use foxit because it doesn't waste my disk space or my time, and you can make your browser use foxit or other PDF reader to display PDF files - you just have to set it up as a "Helper Program" yourself - but you may have to uninstall Adobe or remove its handle from your "PlugIns" file to keep Acrobat Reader from competing for files.

How many megabytes of disk space and memory space does Adobe 8 use to be as fast as it should have been in the first place?

Unfortunately the Foxits of the world will always be a step behind Acrobat Reader as they can't know what new features Adobe has added until it's out there. So I do have to waste disk space on the Adobe program for some files.

.bh.
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