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Old 10-16-2013, 11:00 PM   #26
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Well this should expose their truth with the party.
They use big government and spending as the talking points,
but in reality they care not about spending nor do that hate big government.
The big government they gladly take full part in.
Not heart felt with them, it just sells news papers.
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Old 10-16-2013, 11:02 PM   #27
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I guess you were being facetious, but in case you really don't know how furloughs work, these people didn't choose to stay home because they weren't being paid, they actually weren't allowed to come to work.


I am aware how these furloughs work. Within days of the shutdown congress pledged to give fed workers backpay. The same thing happened with every other shutdown. If Obama can change the ACA with a stroke of the pen, there was really nothing stopping him from letting more employees back to work. A statement in frustration because the whole thing is ridiculous.... and we will go through the same about 12 weeks from now. Seems neither party can figure out a solution.
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Old 10-16-2013, 11:13 PM   #28
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Well, at least the debt ceiling fights won't be a problem any more...

Apparently it will now be raised by default, and Congress must vote to stop the raise, which won't happen...
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Old 10-16-2013, 11:38 PM   #29
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Old 10-17-2013, 01:14 PM   #30
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I get it, $24 Billion enrages the left but $17 Trillion is just fine.
If the Republicans have a problem with the $17 trillion dollars...

...then why won't they propose solutions to Global Labor Arbitrage which is the primary source of the problem? Why won' they come out and oppose foreign outsourcing which decreases income tax revenues and increases the need for social welfare programs? Why won't they oppose work visas like the H-1B, L-1, TN, and J-1?

...why do they support lower taxes for the rich?

...why do they oppose socialized medicine which has been proven to save money and be much more cost efficient? (Think 12% of GDP and 100% coverage versus our current 17.6% of GDP?)

You're fooling yourself if you think that only the Democrats are to blame for our national debt.
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Old 10-17-2013, 01:15 PM   #31
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"Tea Party Throws $24 Billion Overboard"
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Old 10-17-2013, 01:19 PM   #32
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Again what does this have to do with the left?

This is about you Republicans. Take responsibility for what you've done. You cost this nation $24 billion for nothing. Absolutely nothing. You literally got nothing b/c of this stunt.
This war hasn't even begun. Our divisions will cost far more than $24 billion when the dust settles. What cannot be won at the Federal level will be done through States.
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Old 10-17-2013, 01:19 PM   #33
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We haven't fiscally responsible government since the 1940's.
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Old 10-17-2013, 01:20 PM   #34
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Well this should expose their truth with the party.
They use big government and spending as the talking points,
but in reality they care not about spending nor do that hate big government.
The big government they gladly take full part in.
Not heart felt with them, it just sells news papers.
Oh you think this exposes that truth? Not the near doubling the size of the federal govt under Bush?
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Old 10-17-2013, 01:20 PM   #35
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"Tea Party Throws $24 Billion Overboard"
Don't think the British were counting the price of the lost tea in Boston after the Revolutionary War. They had much greater concerns when the dust settled.
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Old 10-17-2013, 01:49 PM   #36
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"deficits don't matter"...Dick Cheney
So Dick Cheney is now considered to give good advice by the left?

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So sayeth the Republican administration following the Democratic administration that left them a surplus.
As well as a collapsing economy due to the Dotcom Crash and housing prices already at record levels...
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Old 10-17-2013, 01:51 PM   #37
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If the Republicans have a problem with the $17 trillion dollars...

...then why won't they propose solutions to Global Labor Arbitrage which is the primary source of the problem? Why won' they come out and oppose foreign outsourcing which decreases income tax revenues and increases the need for social welfare programs? Why won't they oppose work visas like the H-1B, L-1, TN, and J-1?
If liberals truly care about poor people why don't they?
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Old 10-17-2013, 02:06 PM   #38
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If the furloughed workers knew they were being paid they should have had their asses at work. Instead they had a nice 3 week vacation.

At any rate... with the government operating at about 85%.... I figured the taxpayers saved at least that much.
Many furloughed workers were working without pay.

And the one's who were sent home, were sent home. Many of them probably would have worked, but management had to decide how to deal with whatever funding they had.

Its ridiculous to have an attitude that the workers did something wrong here.

And your just wrong if you think there's a net savings. The $24 billion lost is probably low.
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Old 10-17-2013, 02:58 PM   #39
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If liberals truly care about poor people why don't they?
...because they're not much better than the GOP, but at least they tend to support socialized medicine and oppose Big Government in the Bedroom.
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Old 10-17-2013, 03:00 PM   #40
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We still don't have a budget! It will happen again and again.

Plenty of money to give arms to terrorist groups.

The real problem is some of the people in the government should be layed off. That is how a real company would handle it if they were spending too much money. Just downsize the government. We are spending about 20% too much and we keep increasing the overspending.

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