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Old 10-13-2013, 09:07 PM   #1
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Default The Redskins are the Redskins are the Redskins...Bob Costas is an idiot & buffoon....

I can't believe what I just heard come out of his mouth. What an IDIOT!!!!

What if there were a team called the "pale faces"? I couldn't give a rat's ass less!! They're the friggin' REDSKINS for crying outloud!! Should miami be offended because Dolphins are not a masculine enough animal??

Where does this PC sh!t end??

My buddy has probably no less than about $20K worth of Redskin crap that he's collected over the last 20 years. He told me he'd hop on a plane & slap the shit outta somebody if they changed the name. Nor would he ever call them anything but "Redskins"

Bob Costas.......take your (or your NBC writer's) op-ed article & print it in some other newspaper. We don't want it on our TV.....f'n assclown!
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Old 10-13-2013, 09:15 PM   #2
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I just want to know, how many white people say they are caucasian? Or do you call yourselves white?

Because that's really just a comment about skin color too.

And in the case of Bob Costas, he's actually almost ghostly white with all of the pancake makeup they slather on him. Embrace your color Bob.
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Old 10-13-2013, 09:33 PM   #3
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How small does a minority have to be before their opinion doesn't matter and they don't get their way?

I am sure there are Native Americans who like the mascot because it is dedicated to them.
IMO, it is a symbol of power and strength (warrior).

There are always going to be people who don't agree with something.
If they are a major minority, their qualms should be ignored.
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Old 10-13-2013, 09:34 PM   #4
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Bob Costas is a weasel
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Old 10-13-2013, 09:35 PM   #5
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I agree. I was watching going, WTF?!
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Old 10-13-2013, 09:36 PM   #6
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Personally I think the name Redskins is stupid. Change it.
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Not the first time Bob has opened his mouth and removed all doubt.

Probably won't be the last, either.
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Old 10-13-2013, 09:43 PM   #8
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How small does a minority have to be before their opinion doesn't matter and they don't get their way?
Bingo.

Costas said it perfectly; there is a difference between honoring somebody with a name and prodding them with a name. There's nothing flattering about 'Redskin', never has been and never will be.

It should have been changed decades ago. The simple fact that it hasn't yet been doesn't mean that it should be kept permanently.

Teams and stadiums get name changes fairly regularly and for far more meaningless reasons than cultural sensitivity.
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Old 10-13-2013, 09:44 PM   #9
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I can't believe what I just heard come out of his mouth. What an IDIOT!!!!

What if there were a team called the "pale faces"? I couldn't give a rat's ass less!! They're the friggin' REDSKINS for crying outloud!! Should miami be offended because Dolphins are not a masculine enough animal??
No, Miami should be offended because the Dolphins are not a masculine enough team.

While I'm not in favor of PC bullshit and would really love to see this Redskins furor die as it's not the Indians who are most offended by it, you have to admit that there are some limits on what should be acceptable team name.

The Los Angeles N-Words in the NBA?
The Boston Dykes in women's soccer?
The New York Kikes in, ummm, well, is there a chess or bridge league?

You have to draw the line somewhere.
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Old 10-13-2013, 09:45 PM   #10
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I'm not watching NBC, but the OP's sig does explain some things.

Redskins is an interesting debate because the word is basically shunned in everyday speech. Americans seem to realize it's not a socially acceptable word, or at the least mainstream media does. But the vast majority of folks don't blink an eye that it's the name of a major sports team. Even some polls (accurate?) have shown most Native Americans don't seem to mind the Skins moniker for sports teams.
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Old 10-13-2013, 09:45 PM   #11
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Personally I think the name Redskins is stupid. Change it.
Same.

If they change, it some people will bitch for a year, a few people will bitch for 2, and everyone will forget about it by the third season.
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Old 10-13-2013, 09:58 PM   #13
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If Redskins is okay, we should have a L.A. Wetbacks and New York Hook Noses as team names.
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Old 10-13-2013, 09:59 PM   #14
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They should change it and not just because PC tends to be more important these days. With equivalent usage, redskins (Indians) is the same as blackskins (African Americans), or yellowskins (East Asians). I think all three are horrible to use and the same people defending Redskins today are the same people that would have a huge problem with using Blackskins as a name for an NBA team, as they should.

I think it's crossing a line to say a team can't be the Braves or Indians because there is nothing intrinsically bad about those words...maybe misuse...but there are no negative connotations. The Redskin debate is pretty cut and dry and Costas has balls to stand up for it.
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Old 10-13-2013, 10:03 PM   #15
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Just change it to the Foreskins. That way they're still "The 'skins," and a lot of people call them that already anyway.
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Old 10-13-2013, 10:05 PM   #16
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Can't wait till this bs is over and we can go back to associating the word "redskins" with a football team and not a racial slur. Meanings change over time. It's especially ridiculous since most of the loudest opposers aren't even native americans.

Bob Costas is a fool, I don't know why these people think their position as a football commentator allows them to get onto a soapbox. He did that last year when the KC (?) football player committed suicide after killing his girlfriend. He turned it into a gun control debate during halftime. I lost all respect for him after that.
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Old 10-13-2013, 10:19 PM   #17
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Bah - people need to get over it. This fight has gone on for over 80 years now, if my recollection serves. Yes, redskin was a horrible, offensive, racial slur. At least, it was at one time. Whether it is now is at least a bit questionable. Maybe I have been living in a vacuum (or at least far from an indian reservation), but I can't recall a a single person in my 37 years on this planet that has ever used the term "redskin" in a derogatory sense. Indeed, I'd wager that most folks never use the term except to refer to a certain football team in Washington.

That said, I think another question needs to be asked. And that is, "at what point does a word or phrase that was at one time highly offensive become non-offensive and okay to use?" Surely the answer can't be "never." If it was, we would be reduced to communicating with an extremely limited vocabulary.

Another question to ask - "Consider a phrase that is and was highly offensive to a first group of people, but has over time developed another meaning (which is not offensive) to a second group of people. The first group wants it banned, and the second doesn't. Who wins?" Is it more wrong to offend the first group of people or to deny the second group of people the benefits of using the term in a manner consistent with the meaning the term has come to have?

E.g., Redskin -> highly offensive slur for Indians from 1775-??? But from 1932 onward the term is used to designate a group of men who play football. The opprobrious use of the term appears to decline from that point, whereas the name of the football team grows increasingly popular and eventually into one of the most valuable brands in the US (and perhaps the world). Who's interest is more important?

I'm not saying we should allow a sports team to be named the "n-words."
That particular term still has a widely recognized highly offensive meaning, and no secondary, non-offensive use of the term has been developed. What I am saying is that whether or not a term is offensive depends on the context in which it is used, and the meaning(s) with which it has come to be known. If a term has a well accepted, non-offensive meaning (which I would argue that the term "Redskin" now does), should we really prevent its use just because some people are offended by it? If so, where does the slippery slope end?

Alternative note - this fight is reminiscent of the campaign to change the Washington Bullets to the Washington Wizards. I still can't figure out why calling the team the "bullets" was more offensive than calling the team the "wizards." After all, wizards are constructs of the imagination that wield godly powers, and thus surely the term must offend some religious groups (e.g., Christians). And we can't have that, can we? Oh wait, people in that instance were able to tell the difference between the use of a fictional magic wielding character from a false god. Couldn't we do the same in this case and have some faith in our ability to tell the difference between a person calling someone a "redskin" and a person referring to the "Washington Redskins?"
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Old 10-13-2013, 10:32 PM   #18
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Over the last ten years Bob has gone from a great sportscaster to someone who is overly infatuated with the smell of his own farts.
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Alternative note - this fight is reminiscent of the campaign to change the Washington Bullets to the Washington Wizards. I still can't figure out why calling the team the "bullets" was more offensive than calling the team the "wizards." After all, wizards are constructs of the imagination that wield godly powers, and thus surely the term must offend some religious groups (e.g., Christians). And we can't have that, can we? Oh wait, people in that instance were able to tell the difference between the use of a fictional magic wielding character from a false god. Couldn't we do the same in this case and have some faith in our ability to tell the difference between a person calling someone a "redskin" and a person referring to the "Washington Redskins?"
It was much easier to change the name of the Bullets, than to actually change the association it had with Washington's horrible crime problem. A problem that the city still has to this day, by the way.
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That said, I think another question needs to be asked. And that is, "at what point does a word or phrase that was at one time highly offensive become non-offensive and okay to use?" Surely the answer can't be "never." If it was, we would be reduced to communicating with an extremely limited vocabulary.
I doubt our vocabulary would be stunted by getting rid of a couple dozen words of which their entire existence was to disparage. There are about 170 thousand words in the English dictionary. If someone believes that rejecting a few bad words means they can't communicate as a human being, I highly suggest going back to class.

As a society there are times where we have to decide whether to take the low road or the high road, and the excuse of "well, that's how we've always done it" becomes a drain. I'm in agreement that sometimes it can be a bit much to be PC, but we aren't talking about a few people on the corner talking to each other. We are talking about an NFL team that represents a major block of fans in and around our nations capital. Is it really too much to ask to pick the high road, when so little is lost by doing it?
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I wonder if Costas was disgusted every time he said 'Redskins' in the past but only recently decided to speak out against it.
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Old 10-13-2013, 10:46 PM   #22
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Old 10-13-2013, 11:05 PM   #23
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Umm.. You guys realize Bob Costas isn't on a 1 man crusade here? There are entire media outlets that refuse to use the name Redskins anymore to refer to the team. In fact, go to Peter King's MMQB site through Sports Illustrated. You won't find the word Redskins anywhere on it as they just refer to them as the Washington Team.

Tony Dungy also called on them to change their name LAST week on Sunday Night Football.

There's a lot of people joining the call for it, and frankly, they're right to do so. It was a racist owner that named the team that decades ago. Forgive me if I don't honor that "history"
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Don't have strong feelings on this, but I can see why it can be offensive. Personally, I'd change it to any number of Native American references to make the problem disappear. There must be at least a dozen tribe names or warrior themed words to change it to.
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Sounds like someone just needs to start "taking it back"!
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