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Old 09-27-2013, 03:00 AM   #1
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R270 is HD 7950 re-boxed and these shall be reference design in beginning and prices from 170 region, so same as our lowest price 7950's. So OcUK is already at the new price, the newly boxed R270's will arrive middle-end October.

R280X is the HD 7970 GHz re-boxed and these shall be reference design in beginning and prices shall be around 230 region, so same again as our lowest priced 7970's. This makes our current Asus 7970's a bargain as they are TOP and Platinum cards, the equivalent of these in R280 X shall be in the 250-300 region and available in their R280 X packaging around end of October.

R290 X unfortunately I cannot release pricing or specification info yet, but price wise its similar to GTX 780 but slightly faster, right now, of course AMD could change the launch price at any time.
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Old 09-27-2013, 03:06 AM   #2
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thats very disappointing AMD should price the R9 290X at a lower price to enable better performance at lower price points than GTX 780. I hope AMD change their pricing before NDAs expire.
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The problem being, slightly faster than the 780 basically equals Titan and we know how much that costs. It's a tough one for AMD to get right.
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The problem being, slightly faster than the 780 basically equals Titan and we know how much that costs. It's a tough one for AMD to get right.
the problem for AMD is custom 780 cards like Galaxy HOF, EVGA Classsified are faster than Titan out of the box and selling for just 40 - 50 bucks more. AMD should learn from what Nvidia did with GTX 680. price it 50 bucks less than GTX 780 and get positive reviews. If they don't do that AMD are dumb.
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Titan is ~30% faster than 7970 Ghz, as speculated, Hawaii is also around 30% faster, so its a great result for AMD for a same node refresh. They better price it well, because 30% faster than a Ghz and going for more than $500 is ridiculous.
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Would be acceptable to me if they set the price around $550-$600, higher performance than GTX780 at lower prices.
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Is it 512 bit or 384?
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From what I see the AMD R9 290X is 512 Bit/4GB DDR5 Hynix vRam Single GPU Card is very Powerful and can be run at whatever Voltage and Mhz you want.

Consider the old 512 Bit/1GB DDR3 600Mhz nVidia GeForce GTX 280.

I would not be surprised the R9 will do 1300 Mhz with something like an eVGA OCX Classified Cooler on Air - As If - I'm not BOIS but I do want a 4K PPS PLS 2650 x 1440p 120Hz Single GPU Card that cost less then the insanely priced 384 Bit/3Gb Samsung vRam GTX 780 EVGA Dual Classified OCX or Galaxy GTX 780 HOF, MSI GTX 780 Lightening ... etc.

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the problem for AMD is custom 780 cards like Galaxy HOF, EVGA Classsified are faster than Titan out of the box and selling for just 40 - 50 bucks more. AMD should learn from what Nvidia did with GTX 680. price it 50 bucks less than GTX 780 and get positive reviews. If they don't do that AMD are dumb.
They better have after-market 290X cards at launch then if they plan on charging > $600 for it. A $600 reference design R9 290X is a non-starter. As you said for $60-70 more you can get a 780 with 15-20% more performance out of the box, higher end premium components and cooler. A small price to pay when you are already above $600 level. AMD should price this card at $599 and include BF4 for free. Using 780's/Titan's price isn't relevant since those cards came out way before R9 290X and on a technology curve, they should have fallen in price by now - although NV rarely drops prices until they discontinue their product outright.

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They better price it well, because 30% faster than a Ghz and going for more than $500 is ridiculous.
People who buy 780/Titan don't find it ridiculous. They are paying even more. The whole GPU industry is changing it seems. First gamers cried that 7970 brought only 20-25% performance over a stock 580 for $100 more (but more like 50%+ when comparing 580 oc vs. 7970 oc), and now they are paying $650-1000 for 30-35% more performance when comparing 780 OC vs. 7970 OC. AMD and NV realized that gamers are wiling to pay these prices, so they keep charging. I am going to be sitting this generation out as there is no way I am paying $650 for a mere 35% performance increase over a nearly 2-year-old 7970. That's beyond a joke considering how quickly GPUs become obsolete & drop in resale value.

The GPU industry is experiencing the exact same thing as the audiophile industry. Prices of high-end headphones increased 2-3 times as audiophiles just kept paying more and more and audio firms just kept raising prices. If from now on a flagship GPU will be $650-1000, I want double the performance at minimum. Now to get a 35% increase, you are going to be out of pocket $350-400 for some of these cards and yet you get just half the increase that say moving from 6950 to 7970 brought and yet it cost way less $ to upgrade to a 7970 style card after reselling an old 570/6950.

And if you are coming from a position of bitcoin mining where you are rocking 2-3 free 7950/7970 cards, then this generation is an automatic pass.
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Old 09-27-2013, 04:57 AM   #10
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So basically this whole release boils down to 1 new part at GTX 780 levels/prices, the rest just being the same old at the same prices
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They better have after-market 290X cards at launch then if they plan on charging > $600 for it. A $600 reference design R9 290X is a non-starter. As you said for $60-70 more you can get a 780 with 15-20% more performance out of the box, higher end premium components and cooler. A small price to pay when you are already above $600 level.
RS firstly most of these guys spending USD 600 look at the perf out of the box and also the OC potential. in fact quite a few go watercooling and multi GPU to drive 1600p, 4K or multi monitor. If R9 290x gets close to Titan at stock and has another 250 - 300 Mhz OC headroom its not a problem. it will still be ahead of voltage GTX 780 OC. Also R9 290 series is hinted to have a hardware based CF frame pacing solution so lets see how the cards stack up on launch day.
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So basically this whole release boils down to 1 new part at GTX 780 levels/prices, the rest just being the same old at the same prices
Yep. Lol

Although you can say the real highlight is Mantle.

Graphics cards come and go, but Mantle (assuming it is adopted) stays eternal.
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similar price is a disappointment.was hoping for 400ish.500+ im out.
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similar price is a disappointment.was hoping for 400ish.500+ im out.
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Yep. Lol

Although you can say the real highlight is Mantle.

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Don't forget TrueAudio either, that could be a big selling point for a lot of people, or at least a differentiator.
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Graphics cards come and go, but Mantle (assuming it is adopted) stays eternal.
Mantle would be dependent on a very specific architecture for the tweaks to work, possibly hampering AMD from necessary redesigns on later chips. "Eternal" is not the word I would use.
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From what I see the AMD R9 290X is 512 Bit/4GB DDR5 Hynix vRam Single GPU Card is very Powerful and can be run at whatever Voltage and Mhz you want.
Your statement makes no sense whatsoever. And with no sources what are we supposed to do with it?

AMD probably went 512bit just to be able to advertise 4Gb. The Titans are selling partly because of the 6Gb, which dumb customers with too much money will take as proof that the card is awesome. The memory speeds alone don't seem to do much for performance on this generation, nor on the last. The 79xx's can easily oc to the 300GB/s++ speeds that AMD bragged about in the presentation, and they've been out for almost two years.
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Mantle would be dependent on a very specific architecture for the tweaks to work, possibly hampering AMD from necessary redesigns on later chips. "Eternal" is not the word I would use.
I keep reading this but I don't see why it's such a big issue. Is it because future graphics cards that aren't GCN based would have to drop back to the DX11 path in older games? They are likely to be fast enough that it doesn't really matter anyway.
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Hum -Fraunhofer MP3 Codec Pro v1.263i which MS crippled ;o)

CakeMaster I'm just working on past stats and assuming "Like You "- Let's hope it's a true $600 deal for Performance/Price Single GPU Card that does 1440p and 1600p 4K 120Hz Gaming.

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Your statement makes no sense whatsoever. And with no sources what are we supposed to do with it?

AMD probably went 512bit just to be able to advertise 4Gb. The Titans are selling partly because of the 6Gb, which dumb customers with too much money will take as proof that the card is awesome. The memory speeds alone don't seem to do much for performance on this generation, nor on the last. The 79xx's can easily oc to the 300GB/s++ speeds that AMD bragged about in the presentation, and they've been out for almost two years.
Or they went 4Gb because they know how much RAM the consoles are going to have and feel they need it.
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R270X is a cripped HD 7950, 2GB and 256-bit reduced from 3GB and 384-Bit. R270X will be 155-175, whereas were selling the faster HD 7950 for 170ish, they should be 200+ and are now EOL, so a deal whilst they last. When they are gone, that is it just like the 670 deals. Don't miss out. Think HD 7950 GPU on a 7870 PCB/RAM config.

R280X is a HD 7970 equivalent, a little slower than a GHz model, pricing around 229-249, so again our HD 7970 deals are excellent as they are super overclock uprated models for a similar price, again these should be 300+ and are also EOL, once gone that is it. This is a HD 7970 re-boxed/re-branded.

R290 and R290X are the only cards faster than a HD 7970GHz by quite a bit. But HD 7990 is still performance King
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RS firstly most of these guys spending USD 600 look at the perf out of the box and also the OC potential. in fact quite a few go watercooling and multi GPU to drive 1600p, 4K or multi monitor. If R9 290x gets close to Titan at stock and has another 250 - 300 Mhz OC headroom its not a problem. it will still be ahead of voltage GTX 780 OC. Also R9 290 series is hinted to have a hardware based CF frame pacing solution so lets see how the cards stack up on launch day.
I look forward to seeing 780 OC vs. R9 290X OC at HardOCP. I believe the new R9 290X also ditched CF connectors and will utilize more bandwidth via PCIe 3.0. Hope that improves CF performance/consistency and reduces frame tearing. Still I find it very hard to get excited about a card that might barely edge out a 780 that comes out nearly 6 months later at $600+.

If NV drops the price a bit and you can get a 780 HOF/Lightning for $650, then what? You'll have faster performance from the 780 after-market cards for just $50 more. It seems NV and AMD are now charging massive premiums for the ultra level of performance. When R9 280X will be $299 but R9 290X is $599-649, that's an unreasonable premium for most of us for a mere 35% increase in performance. Just my 2 cents.
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People who buy 780/Titan don't find it ridiculous. They are paying even more. The whole GPU industry is changing it seems. First gamers cried that 7970 brought only 20-25% performance over a stock 580 for $100 more (but more like 50%+ when comparing 580 oc vs. 7970 oc), and now they are paying $650-1000 for 30-35% more performance when comparing 780 OC vs. 7970 OC. AMD and NV realized that gamers are wiling to pay these prices, so they keep charging. I am going to be sitting this generation out as there is no way I am paying $650 for a mere 35% performance increase over a nearly 2-year-old 7970. That's beyond a joke considering how quickly GPUs become obsolete & drop in resale value.

The GPU industry is experiencing the exact same thing as the audiophile industry. Prices of high-end headphones increased 2-3 times as audiophiles just kept paying more and more and audio firms just kept raising prices. If from now on a flagship GPU will be $650-1000, I want double the performance at minimum. Now to get a 35% increase, you are going to be out of pocket $350-400 for some of these cards and yet you get just half the increase that say moving from 6950 to 7970 brought and yet it cost way less $ to upgrade to a 7970 style card after reselling an old 570/6950.
Yep.

It seems GPU industry is going the way you're describing.
For me personally it will mean I will simply spend less on GPUs from now on and buy new GPU less frequently and they'll be cheaper models. I am leaving high-end GPUs for good. (including GTX 680 / HD 7970 tier which prices were absurd at release - from where I sit).
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