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Old 06-27-2013, 09:29 AM   #1
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Default GTX770 (stock) vs. GTX670 OC vs. HD7950 OC vs. GTX760 OC vs. GTX660Ti OC



1920x1080 4AA
GTX670 OC = 56.5 fps
GTX770 stock = 53.4
HD7950 OC = 51.7
GTX760 OC = 49.1
GTX660Ti OC = 43.9

2560x1440 0AA
GTX670 OC = 56.5 fps
HD7950 OC = 55.3
GTX770 stock = 54.3
GTX760 OC = 49.6
GTX660Ti OC = 45.8

2560x1440 4AA
GTX670 OC = 35.1 fps
GTX770 stock = 33.5
HD7950 OC = 33.1
GTX760 OC = 30.6
GTX660Ti OC = 27.8

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Old 06-27-2013, 09:36 AM   #2
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The card that costs almost $100 more is faster? You don't say....
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Old 06-27-2013, 09:38 AM   #3
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The card that costs almost $100 more is faster? You don't say....
Here's a more accurate representation.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/picture/?src...s785OC_big.png

Not sure why op decided to highlight the 670 victories when the 7950 trades blows with it?
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Old 06-27-2013, 09:46 AM   #4
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The card that costs almost $100 more is faster? You don't say....
There are actually 3 conclusions I drew from that review:

1) HD7950 OC > GTX760 OC at 1080P or 1440P

2) If you want to go 2560x1400, you will want 2 cards. GTX670 SLI / GTX760 SLI seem like very good options. Given the small advantage a stock 770 has, even if you overclock those, you might net 10 fps more over 670 SLI. Not worth it.

3) Contrary to what is said on our forums, AMD's cards at similar price levels outperform NV's in most AMD GE titles.

HD7950 OC vs. GTX760 OC
Grid 2 = faster up to 28%
CoH2 = faster up to 44% (!)
TR = faster up to 23%
Sleeping Dogs = faster up to 23%
Hitman Absolution = faster up to 20%
Bioshock Infinite = faster up to 12%

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Not sure why op decided to highlight the 670 victories when the 7950 trades blows with it?
I highlighted the winner in performance based on their benchmarks. However, you are correct that HD7950's overclocking potential makes it a class leading card. Their version only hit 1140mhz. For anyone who has 7950 at 1200mhz+, at $250, there is nothing that can even come close. At those speeds, it's beating 7970GE/770. GTX760 even at 1241mhz runs out of steam and can't reach GTX770's stock speed. HD7950 keeps scaling beyond 1140mhz.
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Old 06-27-2013, 09:55 AM   #5
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I highlighted the winner in performance based on their benchmarks. However, you are correct that HD7950's overclocking potential makes it a class leading card. Their version only hit 1140mhz. For anyone who has 7950 at 1200mhz+, at $250, there is nothing that can even come close. At those speeds, it's beating 7970GE/770.
Easy there...wow
They have 7950 Boost OC-ed as high as they could, and it's not beating 670 OC.
Or even 770 stock. Actually 7950 OC loses to both card. And the gaming suite is full of AMD titles.

If you're gonna throw around numbers, you should be a little more careful.
And you are really doing this all the time as mentioned by tviceman (I think) in another thread.
Nipping numbers here and there...

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Old 06-27-2013, 10:04 AM   #6
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I don't think there is much of a story here, other than the OC'd 670 maintaining a performance advantage over the OC'd 7950 (which isn't news to me, but goes against what many people say on here). The performance of the 760 OC and 7950 OC fit in right where I think it would end up, and given the typical 7950 price on newegg (one is $270 before MIR, 17/19 are $299 or higher), to me the prices fit right in with performance. If one wants the bundles AMD offers, AMD is the better deal. If one doesn't intend to do heavy overclocking, the 760 is the better deal. If one wants to do moderate to heavy overclocking, I think the value of either card is equal.

I find it far more interesting that Nvidia is spacing out the performance difference between it's 700 series products more than it did with the 600 series. The 780 to 770 is a larger gap than the 680 to 670, and the 770 to 760 is a larger gap than the 670 to 660ti. I think Nvidia has done this on purpose to prevent overclocked cards from surpassing their next up model (with the 780 being the exception).

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Easy there...wow
They have 7950 Boost OC-ed as high as they could, and it's not beating 670 OC.
Or even 770 stock. Actually 7950 OC loses to both card. And the gaming suite is full of AMD titles.

Right but you cannot find a new 670 for $250, otherwise it would be the best card hands down.

If you're gonna throw around numbers, you should be a little more careful.
And you are really doing this all the time as mentioned by tviceman (I think) in another thread.
Nipping numbers here and there...
What are you disagreeing with? 1140mhz on the 7950 is reasonable but not anywhere close to maximum. On the contrary the 1241 overclock on the 760 is actually closer towards the higher end of the range. I also didn't say anything about 7950 beating 770 OC. There is no denying that 7950 OC at $250 beats everything in its class and makes 680/7970GE/770 look bad at $350-450.

I am not nipping at any numbers but looking at the overall review in context. It's not my fault it's full of AMD GE titles since most games coming out now are GE. When a gamer buys a GPU, they don't care if a game is GE or TWIMTBP. They get the card and start playing games. In that case HD7950 OC handily beats GTX760 OC in those games. That's something to consider for people that play these popular titles.

If you followed my posts, I always try to find the best bang for the buck card at a particular point in time. Right now HD7950 OC for $250, followed by GTX760 OC for $250 are unbeatable and this review really highlights how overpriced the 770 is at $400-450. For people who don't follow GPU hardware as closely, this may be an eye-opener. They can save a lot of $ going with those 2 cards instead and use these savings for 20nm and 14nm GPU upgrades when $150-200 saved would give them 50-60% more performance next round, while 770 OC now might net just 15-20% over 7950 OC/760 OC.

I found this review very informative since it highlights just how much value 760 OC/ 7950 OC and a used 670 bring to the table.
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Easy there...wow
They have 7950 Boost OC-ed as high as they could, and it's not beating 670 OC.
Or even 770 stock. Actually 7950 OC loses to both card. And the gaming suite is full of AMD titles.

If you're gonna throw around numbers, you should be a little more careful.
And you are really doing this all the time as mentioned by tviceman (I think) in another thread.
Nipping numbers here and there...
Are you looking at the same graph we are?

The OC'ed 7950 beats the 770 in a lot of titles, and it beats the 670 in a similar number.
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The OC'ed 7950 beats the 770 in a lot of titles, and it beats the 670 in a similar number.
770 OC will beat 7950 OC but looking at this review the card is horribly overpriced, especially if you want to use mods.

$250 7950
$400 770 2GB (60% more expensive for 15% more performance)
$450 770 4GB (80% more expensive for maybe 15% more performance)

It's too bad most people still don't want to learn overclocking. They can potentially get 85-90% of the performance of a $400-450 overclocked card and then take $150-200 savings and put it away for 20nm/14nm generation for substantial gains that will be needed for next gen titles.
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Looks like the 760 is the better 1080p card, even with their weak memory overclock.

Also the 7950 isn't $250, only one card is and that's after a $20 MIR, for instance my TF3's are still $320.

Even 1080p 4xAA is putting a hurting on all these cards, MGPU or lower settings for many titles.

Kind of sad, actually.
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Looks like the 760 is the better 1080p card, even with their weak memory overclock.
7950 oc beats it by 10% with no AA and still beats it with AA, and you still claim the 760 to be a better card. Based on average pricing on the market, sure. Either way, the point of this review is to highlight how much value 7950/760 bring to the table over a $400 770. 7950/760 is smart $ for 1080P.

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Also the 7950 isn't $250, only one card is and that's after a $20 MIR, for instance my TF3's are still $320.
But you can freely go out and buy that $250 card. $20 MIR or 4 free games that can be resold. Either way, the price of 7950 and 760 are a wash. Both cards are great for 1080P as stop-gaps for another 12 months. You can also use other merchants to find similarly priced cards.
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What 1241 MHz overclock on 760? It's 1096 MHz / 1148 MHz with Boost.

overclocked card would peak up to 1241 MHz




Lets see some other 760's (TPU)
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/E...Cooler/30.html





Guru 3D
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages...review,24.html



http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages...review,24.html


etc etc

So you see. Xbitlabs has like the worst 760 OC out there

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What 1241 MHz overclock on 760? It's 1096 MHz / 1148 MHz with Boost.

overclocked card would peak up to 1241 MHz
Now you are nit-picking. 7950 @ 1140mhz is beating 760 @ 1241mhz by 10% @ 1440P. Even if you got a better overclocking 760, at best it would tie the 7950. But now how about 7950 @ 1225mhz?

Either way, you seem to have missed the point of this thread which was to highlight how amazing 7950 / 760 OC and $300 670 OC (and of course 7970 OC) are compared to a $400-450 770. In case you haven't noticed, this is the point of this thread, hence it positions GTX770 vs. all these other cards to show prospective GPU buyers how much value can be had in the lower GPU segment from overclocking. Instead, you seem to be dead set on discussing specifically 7950 OC vs. 760 OC and missing the point which is that enthusiasts can save a crap-load of $ getting slightly lower cards and overclocking them. If you look at where the stock 770 sits, even if you overclock it, it would be barely 20% faster than 7950 OC on average for a whopping 60% more cost for 2GB version and 80% more cost for 4GB version.
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770 OC will beat 7950 OC but looking at this review the card is horribly overpriced, especially if you want to use mods.

$250 7950
$400 770 2GB (60% more expensive for 15% more performance)
$450 770 4GB (80% more expensive for maybe 15% more performance)

It's too bad most people still don't want to learn overclocking. They can potentially get 85-90% of the performance of a $400-450 overclocked card and then take $150-200 savings and put it away for 20nm/14nm generation for substantial gains that will be needed for next gen titles.
But you should also give a fair warning that if their card dies while ocing they shouldn't rma it unless it is covered within warranty.
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Yes it is a bit faster at 1080p 4xAA, clearly sample depended, though it is consuming more power percentage wise than it is faster.

What's the criteria? Faster? Less expensive? A certain price point? Certain performance level? Power constrain? Form Factor? I'm not sure what constitutes "better" for you personally.

But I don't like the $250 7950 RS, I don't typically do MIR - I never did it with my TF3's for instance. How many of those 7950's are voltage locked?

Games are just so old at this point, I'm not even sure we should factor them in.
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Good info Russian,thanks for sharing.
I still think the HD7950 has to be $250 cash...no games or gimmicks.
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But you should also give a fair warning that if their card dies while ocing they shouldn't rma it unless it is covered within warranty.
Nope. Maybe once they stop advertising overclocking as a feature of the card and explicitly say that overclocking voids the warranty. Until then I'll continue to do so and will rma in the event of failure. Thanks.
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Nope. Once they stop advertising overclocking as a feature of the card and explicitly say that overclocking voids the warranty I'll continue to do so and will rma in the event of failure. Thanks.
The card is only supposed to run @ default clocks.Anything else is pure luck and doing a rma which isn't covered is fraudulent.Thanks.
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Now you are nit-picking. 7950 @ 1140mhz is beating 760 @ 1241mhz by 10% @ 1440P.
YES.

NOW I am nit nitpicking about you nipping number here and there

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What are you disagreeing with? 1140mhz on the 7950 is reasonable but not anywhere close to maximum. On the contrary the 1241 overclock on the 760 is actually closer towards the higher end of the range.

and skewing reality, as demonstrated by plethora of 760 above.

For you xbit labs 7950 needs a little push (reasonable but not anywhere close to maximum) , and 760 sample is is actually closer towards the higher end of the range.
Yet its more like Xbit labs has decent 7950 and worst 760 out there.
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Now you are nit-picking. 7950 @ 1140mhz is beating 760 @ 1241mhz by 10% @ 1440P.

again...

It's 1096 MHz / 1148 MHz with Boost.
overclocked card would peak up to 1241 MHz
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Linus' review agrees that if you are an overclocker, the 7950 is the faster and better card for performance compared to the 760.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmGWyAyO9mc

7950 is just an insane card in terms of overclock potential and the kind of scaling you get out of overclocks on the card. I'm surprised they are going for $250 now, at that price it is a no-brainer card to get. I paid over $300 for one not too long ago. Never mind that you also get 3 free games with it, all of which are amazing games. Meanwhile nvidia doesn't even give Metro LL with the 760, you get nothing with it, not even the worthless F2P game currency.
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Their version only hit 1140mhz. For anyone who has 7950 at 1200mhz+, at $250, there is nothing that can even come close.
Nipping numbers again. (7950 price)

http://www.nowinstock.net/computers/...ards/amd/7950/
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...CE&PageSize=20

(nothing can come close) jesus

it has to be 1200+ (whole 5%+ faster clocks(!) than the one at xbitlabs)
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I've actually never found a 7950 that hits those kinds of speeds. I've already had 2 (Gigabyte 7950 locked at 1.25V and a Sapphire 7950 with unlocked voltages). Both of them max out around 1100 MHz, and not exactly stable at those speeds either.

I've also had two 7970s, and both of them maxed out at under 1100 Mhz.

Maybe I'm doing something wrong here, but I haven't seen this amazing overclocking potential in 4 cards.
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yes... but Linus only hit 1100 MHz on his 7950? It should be 1200+ according to RS.
What about 760? I heard he forget to OC it at all
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OP. thank you for all the work in testing. As you can see from my sig, I run two EVGA 670 FTWs in SLI with a 3770k. Works GREAT for gaming on my Achieva 27" 2560 x1440. If I owned a Radeon 7950 in CF, I'd probably also say it runs great. In these higher end cards the difference in fps isn't that much.

BTW, no need to OC my gpus. Plenty powerful enough stock especially running SLI.
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