Go Back   AnandTech Forums > Hardware and Technology > CPUs and Overclocking

Forums
· Hardware and Technology
· CPUs and Overclocking
· Motherboards
· Video Cards and Graphics
· Memory and Storage
· Power Supplies
· Cases & Cooling
· SFF, Notebooks, Pre-Built/Barebones PCs
· Networking
· Peripherals
· General Hardware
· Highly Technical
· Computer Help
· Home Theater PCs
· Consumer Electronics
· Digital and Video Cameras
· Mobile Devices & Gadgets
· Audio/Video & Home Theater
· Software
· Software for Windows
· All Things Apple
· *nix Software
· Operating Systems
· Programming
· PC Gaming
· Console Gaming
· Distributed Computing
· Security
· Social
· Off Topic
· Politics and News
· Discussion Club
· Love and Relationships
· The Garage
· Health and Fitness
· Home and Garden
· Merchandise and Shopping
· For Sale/Trade
· Hot Deals with Free Stuff/Contests
· Black Friday 2014
· Forum Issues
· Technical Forum Issues
· Personal Forum Issues
· Suggestion Box
· Moderator Resources
· Moderator Discussions
   

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 04-06-2013, 09:08 PM   #1
Mars999
Senior Member
 
Mars999's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 304
Default i7 3820, 3930k, or 4770k

I am rigless now, and not sure what to do...

I had a 3770k but sold it to a friend. I would like more cores, but not sure how haswell will perform vs. 3930k or 3820.... I would also like to know if ib-e will be much of a performance upgrade over sb-e?

E.g. 3930k vs. 4930k


Thanks
__________________
Intel Core i7 4771 | Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UDH5 | ASUS Radeon R9 280X DCII 3GB | Noctua NH-U14S | 2x Noctua NF-A14 FLX | Noctua NF-F12 | G.SKILL Ares 32GB (4 x 8GB) 1.5v | Plextor M3S 256GB | 4x OCZ Vector 256GB | VelociRaptor 500GB 64MB | ASUS DVD Burner 24X | Pioneer 15X BD-R | COOLER MASTER CM Storm Series Trooper | SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold | Gigabyte Aivia Osmium (Brown Cherry MX) | Mad Catz Rat 7 | 2x LG 27EA63-P LED/IPS | Win 8.1 Pro 64bit
Mars999 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2013, 09:20 PM   #2
ClockHound
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 208
Default

If you're waiting this long, why not wait a little longer? But, only if the 4930k is 8 cores/16 threads. I'm in the same waiting line. If it turns out to be another hex core, I may cry and take out my grief on an unsuspecting Haswell quad.
ClockHound is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2013, 09:30 PM   #3
Yuriman
Platinum Member
 
Yuriman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Florida
Posts: 2,900
Default

What do you use your machine for? Do you overclock?
__________________
3570K @ 4.6GHz 1.29v | ASRock Z77 Extreme4 | Gigabyte HD7850 2GB @ 1125/1575 | 2x 4GB G.Skill Sniper DDR3 1600 1.25v | OCZ Agility 3 240GB | WD Green 1.5GB | BFG LS 680w | Skyhawk MSR-4610
Yuriman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2013, 09:41 PM   #4
frozentundra123456
Diamond Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 5,587
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ClockHound View Post
If you're waiting this long, why not wait a little longer? But, only if the 4930k is 8 cores/16 threads. I'm in the same waiting line. If it turns out to be another hex core, I may cry and take out my grief on an unsuspecting Haswell quad.
Do you have any good indications that Haswell-e will be 8 core? There were a lot of rumours/hopes that Ivy-e would have 8 cores, but that didnt happen, and I doubt Haswell will either. Just my guess though, and a feeling based on how Intel seems to be really resistant to increasing cores or even clockspeed.
frozentundra123456 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2013, 09:42 PM   #5
Phynaz
Diamond Member
 
Phynaz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 6,681
Default

Get the 3930K.
Phynaz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2013, 10:16 PM   #6
BTRY B 529th FA BN
Lifer
 
BTRY B 529th FA BN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 13,025
Default

In a recent thread, someone said they would be getting a 4770K from a insider friend from Intel.. this friend also said Haswell will be an overclockers dream chip.. don't quote me though
__________________
Rig1: Xeon X5660 6core 32nm (2.8GHz stock), Asrock X58, Geforce 210 0db, Samsung 128Gb 840 Pro, Vertex2 100Gb, Cherry MX Blacks, 2009 Seasonic X 650w, Aluminum Full tower
Rig2: i7 970 6core 32nm @ 4.4GHz 1.365v, EVGA 760 Classified,
GTX 670, Samsung Evo 120Gb, Vertex LE 100Gb, Cherry MX Reds, Sidewinder X5, Enermax Revo 950w, Obsidian 800D
BTRY B 529th FA BN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2013, 10:38 PM   #7
Mars999
Senior Member
 
Mars999's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 304
Default

I wanted 8 cores but seems unlikely... I don't oc and I code, game, multitask, in summary power user freak....


I am just guessing that ib-e will be more about power usage reduction vs. Speed increase. So if that is the case I dont see any reason to wait then.



Avx2 I am guessing will not be until hw-e?

What about sata express expansion slots on mbs? Any guess if x99 would have it?

That brings me to, likelihood of x99 by years end?

Problem I see with intel releasing x99 as a 2011pin, is 2011 is dead after ib-e right? So why make a new chipset for one rev? Why not use it for hw-e. Would make more sense....



So 3820 or 3930 both support of pci-e 3.0 ?


Any news on that asus p9x79-ws e new mb coming? Wondering how much it will cost? As the new marvell controller supports sata 3.0, so I am guessing my problem with only 2 sata 3 ports from intel could be fixed as 3rd party controllers suck vs. Intels for ssd drives at a fullspeed.....
__________________
Intel Core i7 4771 | Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UDH5 | ASUS Radeon R9 280X DCII 3GB | Noctua NH-U14S | 2x Noctua NF-A14 FLX | Noctua NF-F12 | G.SKILL Ares 32GB (4 x 8GB) 1.5v | Plextor M3S 256GB | 4x OCZ Vector 256GB | VelociRaptor 500GB 64MB | ASUS DVD Burner 24X | Pioneer 15X BD-R | COOLER MASTER CM Storm Series Trooper | SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold | Gigabyte Aivia Osmium (Brown Cherry MX) | Mad Catz Rat 7 | 2x LG 27EA63-P LED/IPS | Win 8.1 Pro 64bit
Mars999 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2013, 12:03 AM   #8
moonbogg
Diamond Member
 
moonbogg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 5,476
Default

Its hard to say really. Haswell won't be out until late july from what I read, so you will be waiting a while unless you go 3930k now.
__________________
3930K @ 4.3 - 16GB DDR3 @ 1600 - 2X GTX 670 SLI(2GB) - SAMSUNG 830 SSD - 1920X1080 @ 120HZ - WINDOWS 8.1
moonbogg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2013, 05:33 AM   #9
NTMBK
Diamond Member
 
NTMBK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 4,745
Default

Honestly? Haswell may be a better bet. It has the on-die graphics and video encode/decode hardware- and with the latest drivers, Intel has enabled OpenCL and QuickSync even when you have a discrete GPU plugged in. That extra bit of coprocessor power should come in handy. That, combined with Haswell's slight clock bumps, slight IPC increases, and very useful new instruction sets (making it more future proof) would make it my choice.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximilian View Post
I like my VRMs how I like my hookers, hot and Taiwanese.
NTMBK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2013, 05:36 AM   #10
Mars999
Senior Member
 
Mars999's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 304
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NTMBK View Post
Honestly? Haswell may be a better bet. It has the on-die graphics and video encode/decode hardware- and with the latest drivers, Intel has enabled OpenCL and QuickSync even when you have a discrete GPU plugged in. That extra bit of coprocessor power should come in handy. That, combined with Haswell's slight clock bumps, slight IPC increases, and very useful new instruction sets (making it more future proof) would make it my choice.
That has crossed my mind also... but what I would like to know is Broadwell going to be 1150 pin also? and will it work in a Z87 MB?
__________________
Intel Core i7 4771 | Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UDH5 | ASUS Radeon R9 280X DCII 3GB | Noctua NH-U14S | 2x Noctua NF-A14 FLX | Noctua NF-F12 | G.SKILL Ares 32GB (4 x 8GB) 1.5v | Plextor M3S 256GB | 4x OCZ Vector 256GB | VelociRaptor 500GB 64MB | ASUS DVD Burner 24X | Pioneer 15X BD-R | COOLER MASTER CM Storm Series Trooper | SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold | Gigabyte Aivia Osmium (Brown Cherry MX) | Mad Catz Rat 7 | 2x LG 27EA63-P LED/IPS | Win 8.1 Pro 64bit
Mars999 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2013, 06:13 AM   #11
NTMBK
Diamond Member
 
NTMBK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 4,745
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars999 View Post
That has crossed my mind also... but what I would like to know is Broadwell going to be 1150 pin also? and will it work in a Z87 MB?
Hah, that's a slightly loaded topic... the rumours are that Broadwell will be BGA only (the soldered laptop sockets), not the desktop LGA1150 socket. But it's all rumours so far.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximilian View Post
I like my VRMs how I like my hookers, hot and Taiwanese.
NTMBK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2013, 06:34 AM   #12
aaksheytalwar
Diamond Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 3,137
Default

For gaming

4770k > 4570k > 4930k = 3930k > 3820
__________________
3770k @ 4.3 with H100i, Asus Z77 Deluxe, Samsung 30nm 4x4gb ddr3 @ 1866 9-9-9-28 1T, MSI R9 290 Gaming 4G, Coolermaster Silent Pro Hybrid 1300 watts, Crucial M4 512gb, 3x Seagate 7200.14 3TB each

Last edited by aaksheytalwar; 04-07-2013 at 06:38 AM.
aaksheytalwar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2013, 09:15 AM   #13
Yuriman
Platinum Member
 
Yuriman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Florida
Posts: 2,900
Default

If you were buying right now, I'd say get your 3770k back and pick up overclocking. If you can wait, 4770k.
__________________
3570K @ 4.6GHz 1.29v | ASRock Z77 Extreme4 | Gigabyte HD7850 2GB @ 1125/1575 | 2x 4GB G.Skill Sniper DDR3 1600 1.25v | OCZ Agility 3 240GB | WD Green 1.5GB | BFG LS 680w | Skyhawk MSR-4610
Yuriman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2013, 01:46 PM   #14
aarontpx
Senior Member
 
aarontpx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Twin Cities
Posts: 240
Default

I would not even consider the 3820 because its a locked quad only. If you are leaning x79 get the 3930X or wait for ivbE.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars999 View Post
3rd party controllers suck vs. Intels for ssd drives at a fullspeed
Agreed.
__________________
Core i7-3770K @4700MHz - 1.3V H100i P8Z77-V Pro 4x4Gb RipjawsZ @1600MHz CL7 Intel 335 240Gb WD Black 2Tb GTX 680 @1280MHz Corsair AX-850 CM 692A Win7
Phenom II 955BE @3552MHz - 1.4V M4A79XTD Evo 2x4Gb Ripjaws @1333MHz CL9 VelociRaptor 300Gb WD Green 1Tb GTX 285 SeaSonic X-650 Carbide 200R Win7
G23
G27 870 Express M4
aarontpx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2013, 01:49 PM   #15
aarontpx
Senior Member
 
aarontpx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Twin Cities
Posts: 240
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BTRY B 529th FA BN View Post
In a recent thread, someone said they would be getting a 4770K from a insider friend from Intel.. this friend also said Haswell will be an overclockers dream chip.. don't quote me though
Oops.

That is the only way I would even consider upgrading from Ivy Bridge...otherwise I will be waiting for Broadwell and beyond.
__________________
Core i7-3770K @4700MHz - 1.3V H100i P8Z77-V Pro 4x4Gb RipjawsZ @1600MHz CL7 Intel 335 240Gb WD Black 2Tb GTX 680 @1280MHz Corsair AX-850 CM 692A Win7
Phenom II 955BE @3552MHz - 1.4V M4A79XTD Evo 2x4Gb Ripjaws @1333MHz CL9 VelociRaptor 300Gb WD Green 1Tb GTX 285 SeaSonic X-650 Carbide 200R Win7
G23
G27 870 Express M4
aarontpx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2013, 02:07 PM   #16
cantholdanymore
Senior Member
 
cantholdanymore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 433
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BTRY B 529th FA BN View Post
In a recent thread, someone said they would be getting a 4770K from a insider friend from Intel.. this friend also said Haswell will be an overclockers dream chip.. don't quote me though
Wasn't that you?
__________________
Fractal Design Define Mini using 2 front fans (fractal) and one rear (noctua), Asus Maximus IV gene-z, Intel 2500k, Noctua NH-D14, G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB, Samsung 840 pro 256Gb SSD, NZXT HALE90 750w, Asus R9 280x, Asus BD burner, Seagate Barracude 2T.

Switching between 4.0GHz @ 1.2V and 4.6Ghz @1.30v.

4.9 stable using 1.46
cantholdanymore is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 09:13 AM   #17
TY-1
Member
 
TY-1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 185
Default

I'm looking at the i7-4770K for my new build this summer as my old desktop is glitching way too much and isn't worth the time, effort, and money to try and upgrade and my laptop is just getting me by right now between my work applications and my gaming.
TY-1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 04:16 PM   #18
BTRY B 529th FA BN
Lifer
 
BTRY B 529th FA BN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 13,025
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cantholdanymore View Post
Wasn't that you?
No. I remember quoting the entire post but putting the members words about overclocking in BOLD letters. I think all I replied was "nice" Apparently this member's friend is an insider at Intel yada yada ...

It'll be very temping if it's true. But I hear the C2 revision won't be out till August. Argh.
__________________
Rig1: Xeon X5660 6core 32nm (2.8GHz stock), Asrock X58, Geforce 210 0db, Samsung 128Gb 840 Pro, Vertex2 100Gb, Cherry MX Blacks, 2009 Seasonic X 650w, Aluminum Full tower
Rig2: i7 970 6core 32nm @ 4.4GHz 1.365v, EVGA 760 Classified,
GTX 670, Samsung Evo 120Gb, Vertex LE 100Gb, Cherry MX Reds, Sidewinder X5, Enermax Revo 950w, Obsidian 800D
BTRY B 529th FA BN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 05:24 PM   #19
Pheesh
Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 130
Default

FYI the c2 rev is for the chipset, not the CPU. The CPU doesn't need to change. If you leave open applications from a small subset of superspeed USB3.0 devices and your computer enters sleep mode, then upon wake for a few of those devices you would need to re-open the PDF or video that was playing at the time of sleep.

That may be a dealbreaker for some people (mobile) but I imagine it's not for many desktop users.

Also, I'm sure there are going to be motherboards with their own USB3 chipsets in the desktop market, so should you happen to run across that problem with a USB3 device you could restrict the affected device to the 3rd party chipset ports. The issue would be invisible to most desktop users, IMO.
Pheesh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 06:17 PM   #20
Mars999
Senior Member
 
Mars999's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 304
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pheesh View Post
FYI the c2 rev is for the chipset, not the CPU. The CPU doesn't need to change. If you leave open applications from a small subset of superspeed USB3.0 devices and your computer enters sleep mode, then upon wake for a few of those devices you would need to re-open the PDF or video that was playing at the time of sleep.

That may be a dealbreaker for some people (mobile) but I imagine it's not for many desktop users.

Also, I'm sure there are going to be motherboards with their own USB3 chipsets in the desktop market, so should you happen to run across that problem with a USB3 device you could restrict the affected device to the 3rd party chipset ports. The issue would be invisible to most desktop users, IMO.
I am curious to know, if say Gigabyte, Asus ect... will just bypass the intel usb3.0 controller and just use 100% 3rd party? and avoid it altogether... As I am guessing they have already made plenty of Z87 MB's and are ready to ship so my guess is no on this.... unless they rework them...
__________________
Intel Core i7 4771 | Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UDH5 | ASUS Radeon R9 280X DCII 3GB | Noctua NH-U14S | 2x Noctua NF-A14 FLX | Noctua NF-F12 | G.SKILL Ares 32GB (4 x 8GB) 1.5v | Plextor M3S 256GB | 4x OCZ Vector 256GB | VelociRaptor 500GB 64MB | ASUS DVD Burner 24X | Pioneer 15X BD-R | COOLER MASTER CM Storm Series Trooper | SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold | Gigabyte Aivia Osmium (Brown Cherry MX) | Mad Catz Rat 7 | 2x LG 27EA63-P LED/IPS | Win 8.1 Pro 64bit
Mars999 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 06:58 PM   #21
Rvenger
VC&G Moderator
 
Rvenger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 5,250
Default

I can't wait to get past my 4.4ghz limitation with Haswell. NZXT sent me new fans for my Havik 140 and it's ready to go.
__________________
i7-5820k - ASRock X99 Extreme 3 - 16gb Crucial DDR4 2133 - Nvidia Reference GTX 970- 2 x 240gb PNY Optima SSDs in Raid 0 - 3tb Seagate 7200.14 HDD - Rosewill HIVE 850 Modular PSU - Phanteks Enthoo Pro
Rvenger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 07:48 PM   #22
BTRY B 529th FA BN
Lifer
 
BTRY B 529th FA BN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 13,025
Default

Hmm, I just did some reading up on USB 3 an it seems like a win win. Looks like I'll be holding off till it's fixed. By then maybe the inflation/bloating on the prices will subside a little
__________________
Rig1: Xeon X5660 6core 32nm (2.8GHz stock), Asrock X58, Geforce 210 0db, Samsung 128Gb 840 Pro, Vertex2 100Gb, Cherry MX Blacks, 2009 Seasonic X 650w, Aluminum Full tower
Rig2: i7 970 6core 32nm @ 4.4GHz 1.365v, EVGA 760 Classified,
GTX 670, Samsung Evo 120Gb, Vertex LE 100Gb, Cherry MX Reds, Sidewinder X5, Enermax Revo 950w, Obsidian 800D
BTRY B 529th FA BN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2013, 08:20 PM   #23
Rvenger
VC&G Moderator
 
Rvenger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 5,250
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BTRY B 529th FA BN View Post
Hmm, I just did some reading up on USB 3 an it seems like a win win. Looks like I'll be holding off till it's fixed. By then maybe the inflation/bloating on the prices will subside a little


I bet the motherboards will be priced to sell. So I might get a bugged version.
__________________
i7-5820k - ASRock X99 Extreme 3 - 16gb Crucial DDR4 2133 - Nvidia Reference GTX 970- 2 x 240gb PNY Optima SSDs in Raid 0 - 3tb Seagate 7200.14 HDD - Rosewill HIVE 850 Modular PSU - Phanteks Enthoo Pro
Rvenger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2013, 07:46 PM   #24
nenforcer
Golden Member
 
nenforcer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,500
Default

The first batch of P67 motherboards with the affected SATA 2 3Gbps ports were discounted quite heavily if I remember just so that they could clear inventory.

For all of those people using just a single optical drive and a single hard drive / SDD on the 2 SATA 3 6Gbps ports this was no problem.
__________________
nForcer 2
======
AMD Sempron 3300+ @ 2.2GHz Barton Sock A 512Kb L2
ASUS A7N8X-E Deluxe nForce 2 MB
Seagate 7200.10 7200 RPM 250GB IDE w/ 8MB Cache Perpendicular
EVGA Geforce 7800GS 256MB AGP 8X
BFGTech Ageia Physx 128MB PPU PCI
1GB (512MBx2) Crucial Ballistix DDR400 4-4-4 Dual Channel
nVidia Soundstorm Dolby Digital Coaxial
Sony CPD-E540 21" CRT Monitor 1600x1200 85Hz VSYNC Off
Windows XP SP3
nenforcer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2013, 08:13 PM   #25
Headfoot
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 715
Default

If you code in anything low-level or performance sensitive it might be worth getting the Haswell because you can better see how your code will run with the new instructions as a practical matter.
Headfoot is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:08 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.