Galaxy GeForce GTX 650 Ti For Sale At Newegg

ViRGE · 10-01-2012, 05:26 PM

Humm, I thought this wasn't launching until next week? In any case, Galaxy's card is already up at Newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814162127

GPU: GeForce GTX 650 Ti

Core Clock: 966MHz

CUDA Cores: 768

Effective Memory Clock: 5400MHz

Memory Size: 1GB

Memory Interface: 128-bit

Memory Type: GDDR5

3DVagabond · 10-01-2012, 05:45 PM

It appears to have been pulled.

ViRGE · 10-01-2012, 05:48 PM

Haha, that was fast work by NV no doubt.

Termie · 10-01-2012, 05:53 PM

How is there any advantage to the consumer to have a card this short? It's actually shorter than the PCIe slot itself, despite requiring a PCIe power connector.

By the way, at ~80% of the theoretical GPU power of a 660 and 60% of the memory bandwidth, I think we're looking at a dog here. It will perform well below an HD7850 1GB, which is already available at $170AR. If it's priced to compete with the HD7770, then it's a welcome addition, otherwise, it should be completely ignored just like the 550Ti it's replacing.

RussianSensation · 10-01-2012, 06:20 PM

How much was it? 86GB/sec memory bandwidth, right?

HD6950 2GB for $170
HD7850 1-2GB go for $175-190 now.

I am guessing this card will have to be priced at $149 and below. Knowing how low-end cards tend to be overpriced initially, I am going with $169.99.

3DVagabond · 10-01-2012, 06:23 PM

While it was up it was $149, IIRC.

LOL_Wut_Axel · 10-01-2012, 06:24 PM

Yeah, it looks like more crap from NVIDIA this series. The Radeon HD 7850 should make quick work of this, especially if you factor in overclocking.

The HD 7850 is $200 and the HD 7770 is $120. How is NVIDIA gonna compete with that?

RussianSensation · 10-01-2012, 06:24 PM

Let's hope it at least beats the $149 HD6870 1GB then.

railven · 10-01-2012, 06:56 PM

That's as short as the GTX 650 it seems. When I was about to buy one for a PhysX Card I remember it was 90% Heatsink and fan and some PCB haha. I thought it was cute.

EDIT: This little guy:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814162124

Oh, looks identical!

Red Hawk · 10-01-2012, 07:00 PM

The closer this is in price to the 7770, the better. Is this GK107 or a harvested GK106?

LOL_Wut_Axel · 10-01-2012, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Hawk

The closer this is in price to the 7770, the better. Is this GK107 or a harvested GK106?

Heavily cut-down GK106.

RussianSensation · 10-01-2012, 07:09 PM

Here is a chart with the specs; says $149 MSRP:
http://videocardz.com/35203/asus-gef...ation-unveiled

On paper, this card looks to be at least 50% slower than the 660.

BenSkywalker · 10-01-2012, 07:11 PM

10% more memory bandwidth then the 650, ~100% more shader power. ~30% less bandwidth and close to the same shader power as the 660.

I'm thinking at $150 this is probably going to be a rather good part as long as those specs were correct. Looks like it is a GK106 based chip, not GK107 like the 650 non Ti. From raw specs it looks like it should slot in between the 7770 and 7850 rather nicely, which would be fitting for the $150 price point.

Edit- Hmmm, which core count is right, the one that was on NewEgg or the one that RS linked? If it is the one that was on NewEgg this should be a pretty strong part, the spes in RS's link make it look quite a bit weaker.

Quote:

On paper, this card looks to be at least 50% slower than the 660.

Huh? Not really close to that, I don't even know how you would come to that conclusion, although it does appear to be a much weaker part then the one that was linked in the OP, even if the numbers from your link are correct it should be closer to 60%-70% the speed of a 660.

RussianSensation · 10-01-2012, 07:14 PM

That's a good point regarding the specs. Everywhere I read it's 576 CUDA cores, not 768. 768 is the 660SE?

http://videocardz.com/35234/asus-gef...op-oc-detailed

This card for $150 will get creamed if these specs are right: 48 TMUs, 576 CUDA cores, 86 GB/sec memory bandwidth. This is almost half of a 660.

"The GTX 650 Ti is based on the GK106 silicon, but with an entire GPC disabled, resulting in a CUDA core count of 576, and TMU count of 48. The memory bus width appears to have been reduced to 128-bit, with a standard memory amount of 1 GB. With a memory clock speed of 1350 MHz (5.40 GHz GDDR5-effective), a memory bandwidth of 86 GB/s is achieved. The GPU is clocked at 960 MHz, there is no GPU Boost feature. With the given configuration, the GPU TDP is expected to be no more than 85W."

Can't see how a card with 85W TDP has any chance against the 7850 or 6950 2GB. Of course it'll be priced lower but even then $150 for an 86GB/sec card is a lot of $ because it basically means noAA.

I think this card is aimed squarely between HD7770 and HD7850 because AMD has no modern 28nm GPU in the $139-149 range.

Red Hawk · 10-01-2012, 07:24 PM

550 Ti actually had more bandwidth (98.4 GB/s).

f1sherman · 10-01-2012, 07:31 PM

hahaha you guys

you were slamming $149 card with 90% of 7850 perf,
poor NV, they'll sell 5 of them

and now it turns out it's 25% slower card. and it will still go for $149.

seriously get a grip, it's painful to read this bad predictions/market analysis.

RussianSensation · 10-01-2012, 07:50 PM

I didn't read the 768 CUDA cores in the OP since every site that so far posted pics of the 650Ti had it at 576. If it does indeed have specs that are totally different from the rumored, the story changes. Not once did I think from the rumored specs that the card would have anywhere near 90% of 7850's performance. If it has 90% of 7850's performance for $150, that would actually be a good card. I still think the card you are thinking of is the 660SE that's been floated around.

Also, NV has sold crap in millions of units: See FX5200 (and well the entire GeForce 5 series). 650Ti selling well at $150 doesn't mean anything at all in terms of how gamers view it. Some people won't buy an HD7970 if it was $150 because they won't buy AMD cards. NV's ability to sell cards is separate from concluding on how good the card itself is vs. the competition in the eyes of PC enthusiasts/gamers.

NV has also sold GTS450 and 550Ti cards very well (I believe 550Ti was the best selling card on Amazon for a while) and both of those debuted at $149 I believe, very much overpriced. So again, NV could very well sell millions of 650Tis but it doesn't mean it's a good card for $150 with 86GB/sec, 1GB of VRAM, 48 TMUs and 576 CUDA cores. It would be a lot better if it has just half of a cluster disabled.

f1sherman · 10-01-2012, 08:07 PM

Well $149, 576cc is meh...
$149, 768cc would be pretty much GREAT, is what I am saying.

Why great? Because duh... NV will get away with only 576cc.
And 768cc would be ~90% of 7850 on relevant settings/resolution, never mind bandwidth.

And it's another way around, not as mentioned by Termi.
Adding another %of cuda cores gives you theoretically % gain.
Slashing % of cc, would slash performance AT MOST by %.

Of course modified with clocks and BW, but except in few games, I doubt 30% less BW would bare much if any diff at relevant res/settings,

RussianSensation · 10-01-2012, 10:10 PM

This card's time is running out. HD7850 2GB is dipping to $160 here in Canada:
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=69...r&promoid=1210

I don't think it'll be long before 7850 2GB is ~ $160 in the US too.

RussianSensation · 10-03-2012, 06:58 PM

Good news. Looks like the leaked 576 CUDA core specs were wrong.

TDP goes up from 85 to 110W. There will also be cards with 2GB VRAM option.
Source

SPBHM · 10-03-2012, 08:39 PM

I like those specs, should perform pretty (faster than a GTX 560 maybe?) well for a $150 card,

Red Hawk · 10-03-2012, 09:33 PM

The 128 bit memory bus width is going to be pretty constraining though. Kind of pointless for a 128 bit memory card to have 2 GB of RAM; it's not like it will ever use that much. It will probably be worse than the 560 Ti at higher resolutions, more MSAA, and higher resolution textures because of low bandwidth. It's not a viable way to undercut the 7850 because of the memory bandwidth, but its shader count should give it a strong advantage over the 7770. Kind of fits right in between.

SPBHM · 10-03-2012, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Hawk

The 128 bit memory bus width is going to be pretty constraining though. Kind of pointless for a 128 bit memory card to have 2 GB of RAM; it's not like it will ever use that much. It's not a viable way to undercut the 7850 because of the memory speed, but its shader count should give it a strong advantage over the 7770. Kind of fits right in between.

well, it's not to bad, 5.4GHz, 84GB/s
7770 is 72GB/s, and it's faster than the 6850 in a few games,

Red Hawk · 10-03-2012, 09:55 PM

The 7770 rarely beats the 6870, and only in situations which aren't memory-bound.

Geforce GTX 650 Ti Bandwidth: 84 GB/s

Geforce GTX 560 Ti Bandwidth: 128 GB/s 150% of 650 Ti
Geforce GTX 660 Bandwidth: 144 GB/s 170% of 650 Ti
Radeon HD 6870 Bandwidth: 134 GB/s 159% of 650 Ti
Radeon HD 7850 Bandwidth: 153 GB/s 182% of 650 Ti

Yeah, this thing is going to be a dog when it comes to memory bandwidth. GTX 650 Ti vs Radeon HD 7850 will be the Geforce GT 640 vs the Radeon HD 7750 all over again -- potential in the shader power, but held back by memory so it just can't compete. Hopefull Nvidia can price it sensibly at least.

SPBHM · 10-03-2012, 11:40 PM

the kepler cards seem to overclock the memory quite well, if it's possible to run this card at 6.5-7GHz it will probably help a lot.