Discussion Thread Re: 8/3 No Insults Rule Amendment

[Londo_Jowo]

Originally Posted by Bowfinger

Hi. Welcome to AnandTech forums. This forum has a strange and exotic feature called "Search". Even better, it has a positively magical capability called "Advanced Search". If you chant the proper incantations, it will reveal great secrets, like every time someone called "cybrsage" uses the word "stalker". Amazing, I know, but this computer stuff is pure sorcery.

I've been using computer for quite some time and am quite proficient.

The fact of the matter many in this thread on a witch hunt and are just as guilty of trolling as the person they accuse. Personally I think the mods should give all of you a time out.

[Bowfinger]

Originally Posted by Londo_Jowo

I've been using computer for quite some time and am quite proficient.

Good for you. Here's a green ribbon.

The fact of the matter many in this thread on a witch hunt and are just as guilty of trolling as the person they accuse. Personally I think the mods should give all of you a time out.

The point, which you are so glibly ignoring, is your claim that Garfield's post shows he really is stalking Cybrsage is complete nonsense. A simple search is all that's needed to produce Garfield's list.

[Moonbeam]

Bowfinger: You say that as if it's a bad thing. It is Anand's forum; he (or his delegates) can impose whatever rules they want. We are only freeloading guests. If we cannot abide by the local rules, we are free to choose to go elsewhere. That is our one and only right here. I commend Idontcare's tremendous effort to involve the community. He had a great vision of how to elevate P&N. Unfortunately, that seems to have confused a few people who now think they are entitled to have the forum run to their personal whims.

M: Whim? My thinking on how the forum should run has evolved dramatically in the last month. I now hold opinions dramatically different than those I used to. Because I know that the folk who insult me do so because they hate themselves, I had an easy time handling that kind of rage and an easy time of reflecting it back, of course only for educational purposes, you understand. But I get in trouble for that and was reminded I should know better. But being a sensitive liberal who must reflect on the rational validity of criticism leveled at me, I started thinking myself about the crisis facing the nation, the total polarization that has occurred between the left and the right, and because of the web, and the fact that I'm not the only one trying to find an answer to this, I came across a bunch if interesting stuff that challenges my liberal thinking and changed my mind on how the forum should run.

I now believe the rules the forum has adopted contribute to and further the polarization between the left and the right because each is allowed to insult the other and the scientific evidence shows this only deepens divisions. So it doesn't matter to me what the forum members voted or how liberal they wish to be about allowing insults, I now believe that doing that is destructive, not only to the forum but the members and the country and the world, to the degree that folk here are part of those things. My intention is to voice that opinion and change minds. The forum rules as they now stand do not comport with the best in human wisdom's understanding of human nature and only create further polarization between the left and the right, here.

If that is the intention, then fine, but if we are operating under the delusion that forum tolerance of insult is a positive necessity, then we are operating under a delusion, in my opinion. Demonization of the other is the major problem our political system faces and it is the result of instinctive human tribalism. It is unamenable to reason and needs to be managed or it will tear the country apart. As these are scientific facts based on the best new understandings of the human brain and personality, they are not widely known to many people. One application of rule that will further the aim of healing would be an absolute contempt for demonization of other people. That has to become as big and universal a no no as racism

B: But your opinion lost. It appeared to me you responded petulantly, going way over the line, as if to say, "Fuck you all! I'll show you what a bad decision that was." It's time to move on.

M: That is how it appears to you, only your opinion which you can't objectively substantiate, but, were he required to state his opinion as opinion and supply reasons as to why he believes the reasons he supplies, he would not seem so petulant and you might be able to introduce arguments of your own.

We have basically two camps that throw rocks over walls at each other and we tolerate this because the other side is worthless. Nobody is ever going to see the value in somebody throwing rocks at you. Take away the rocks and maybe folk will come out from behind their walls. Liberals and conservatives have different ways of seeing the world and incomprehension on both sides of the nature of the other plus the tribal instinct, and without an external enemy, leads to just what we see going on here and nationally.

Put downs were the cause that made us hate ourselves. Put downs are what we reach for when we receive them. Allow them and you promote self degradation. The only place in that equation that can be changed is what a forum tolerates. You can't change human nature, you can only create conditions where either the positive or the negative can grow. We have chosen to set the conditions for the negative. We should rethink that position, in my opinion.

[shortylickens]

I dont have any common sense.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost...1&postcount=15

Is that acceptable insulting or not?

[jackstar7]

Originally Posted by cybrsage

Yeah, a tongue in cheek apology. They don't count, and you know it. Try using that type of an apology on your mom when she yells at you because you did not take out the trash again.

"You only told me a dozen times, that is not enough to get me to take out the trash. You did not tell me two dozen times, though. I understand why you didn't, still won't, and will argue that you did. I am sorry."

She will take away you xbox for a few days if you do.

I'm sorry.

[CallMeJoe]

Originally Posted by cybrstooge

Yeah, a tongue in cheek apology. They don't count, and you know it...

Just edit it into what you wanted him to say.

It works for you in other threads.

[cybrsage]

Originally Posted by CallMeJoe

Just edit it into what you wanted him to say.

It works for you in other threads.

Says the dork who lacks creativity to such an extent he thinks cybrstooge is inventive. You make your ancestors cry in shame.

[cybrsage]

Originally Posted by GarfieldtheCat

LOL....guess these aren't your posts then:

But hey, your still trolling the mod thread, so GG, another step to the ban-wagon.

Originally Posted by Londo_Jondo

I can't believe you just gave cybersage and the mods all the evidence they need to show you follow cybersage around the forum. I wonder if they'll ban you for the same thing you accuse cybersage of doing?

Garf, always good for a laugh at his expense.

[GarfieldtheCat]

Originally Posted by Londo_Jowo

I can't believe you just gave cybersage and the mods all the evidence they need to show you follow cybersage around the forum. I wonder if they'll ban you for the same thing you accuse cybersage of doing?

Wait, pointing out insults and criminal accusations is bannable? Really? Please enlighten us to your awesome reasoning that led to this highly dubious assertion.

And since when is pointing out known lies on a forum stalking anyway? i've pointed out cyrtroll is a proven lying troll.

Guess what? Probably a dozen other people have done the same thing.

We have also pointed out that several other known trolls here are lying trolls. Are we stalking them to?

You two don't know what the word even means, since you aren't using it correctly.

But I notice our troll still hasn't taken his claim back. Funny how "misinformation" and "no insults" only applies from others to him, not from him to others in his mind.

[cybrsage]

Originally Posted by GarfieldtheCat

Wait, pointing out insults and criminal accusations is bannable? Really?

Still lying...tsk tsk.

[GarfieldtheCat]

Originally Posted by cybrsage

Still lying...tsk tsk.

It is trivially obvious given that:

1. With 10,000+ posts in really ~7 months (given all your bans for trolling and lying)...that is almost 50 posts per day! Get a life!

and

2. With ~2,500 posts in over 7 years

there is no possible way I am "following" you around and stalking you.

So given that you have been previously moderated for insulting me by calling me racist, and the multiple other bans here for trolling, not to mention the several other forums you have been perma-banned at, I think we all know who is at fault here (hint: it's you). In fact, you are the pretty much the reason this thread was started.

So once again, you refuse to provide facts to back up all your false accusations. Shocking. At least you are consistent in one regard, never willing to back up your lies.

[cybrsage]

Originally Posted by GarfieldtheCat

It is trivially obvious...

Yes, but you finally admit to it now. It is obvious you are lying.

You are also lying about forums I have been permabanned from. Post them. Do it.

[GarfieldtheCat]

Originally Posted by cybrsage

Yes, but you finally admit to it now. It is obvious you are lying.

You are also lying about forums I have been permabanned from. Post them. Do it.

What, it's trivially obvious you are a troll? Yes it is.

Is it trivially obvious that you have never provided any evidence, let alone proof of stalking or crimes by AT members? Yes it is

Is it trivially obvious that you continue to troll a mod sticky thread? Yes it is.

Is it trivially obvious that your MO is to troll people, intentionally lie and insert intentionally irrational and inflammatory comment designed to provoke outrage, then when called on it, try to run to the mods and claim others are breaking forum rules, instead of yourself? Yes it is.

These things are all obvious and understood by everyone here, even yourself, since you know you are trolling too.

[Moonbeam]

GarfieldtheCat: What, it's trivially obvious you are a troll? Yes it is.

M: This is an opinion presented as a fact and contains no internal proof of its truth because it is backed up only by another supposed assertion of fact that is itself only an opinion.

G: Is it trivially obvious that you have never provided any evidence, let alone proof of stalking or crimes by AT members? Yes it is

M: You have provided the former, as you continue to do, and because neither of you have been arrested for stalking nor he for criminally claiming criminality about you, I conclude that no criminality can be proven or was perhaps even implied. You are each entitled to make these kinds of posts to each other because what is good for the goose is good for the gander and no liberally biased notion of trivially obvious can be applied.

G: Is it trivially obvious that you continue to troll a mod sticky thread? Yes it is.

M: And , from where I view this, it is trivially obvious you feel you must respond in kind while maintaining that yours is the high minded side. But the new wave of scientific studies on liberal and conservative brains show us that conservatives are powerful team players and view the world through a considerably larger moral lens than liberals do. In short, you are applying a liberal morality to a person who may have a much greater depth to his moral compass. Don't like it, too bad, conservatives will understand your readiness to reject science when it doesn't agree with your feelings of moral superiority.

G: Is it trivially obvious that your MO is to troll people, intentionally lie and insert intentionally irrational and inflammatory comment designed to provoke outrage, then when called on it, try to run to the mods and claim others are breaking forum rules, instead of yourself? Yes it is.

M: But that's not the point. The point is that he is justified doing so by his own moral view of you. You have a morally inferior point of view, in his opinion, and so you attack what is superior in his way of thinking. Look at it this way:

"Why would a morally superior person allow some scum bag to come and shit on his position and not receive exactly the karma he deserves? You want to be treated with respect, earn it. And to top it all off, the moral scumbag is claiming his garbage is the real morality."

G: These things are all obvious and understood by everyone here, even yourself, since you know you are trolling too.

M: And it makes no difference if true or not since it is the justification that you will not look at and appreciate because you are acting on the presumptive exclusivity of your own moral view and you cannot objectively prove it is superior to his. All you can do is reassert that it's trivially obvious to people who may have the same view. There is a whole other world of trivially obvious that you don't see.

[cybrsage]

Originally Posted by GarfieldtheCat

not to mention the several other forums you have been perma-banned at.

Still waiting for you to show these forums. This is your claim, support it.

[JEDIYoda]

Originally Posted by cybrsage

Still waiting for you to show these forums. This is your claim, support it.

wowza--pot calling the kettle black...

[cybrsage]

Is that your way of saying he does not have to support his statement, which is obviously a lie (and proven such by him being unable to show any support)? The purposeful spreading of misinformation (which is what his lie is) is against forum rules. Do you support the violation of forum rules?

Is that what you have fallen to, Jedi?

[Pens1566]

This forum needs to be nuked from orbit. Only way to be sure ...

[cybrsage]

Originally Posted by Pens1566

This forum needs to be nuked from orbit. Only way to be sure ...

agreed

[jackstar7]

Originally Posted by cybrsage

agreed

So your goal is to destroy the forum.

[Charles Kozierok]

Why is this thread still open? Boggle.

[cybrsage]

Originally Posted by jackstar7

So your goal is to destroy the forum.

Your troll post is full of trolling.

[jackstar7]

Originally Posted by cybrsage

Your troll post is full of trolling.

I disagree.

[Pens1566]

Originally Posted by jackstar7

So your goal is to destroy the forum.

He (and the copycats like him) are doing a damn good job of it.

[cybrsage]

Nuking from orbit, imo, would be forbidding insults...and then enforcing the rule evenly to all.